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So Your Saying There is a Chance?

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Eagle1990

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I still think we can pull this out! We have a great team and an even better coach. This weekend is critical and must-win.

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1990: I agree with everything you wrote ... except the parts about there being a chance and that we have a great coach...

Other than that, you're right on!
 
Eagle1990 said:
I still think we can pull this out! We have a great team and an even better coach. This weekend is critical and must-win.

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Love the optimism, but our 2nd game of the trip is at Weber, our chances aren't very high, but at least we have a shot.
 
Hey - Voice of Reason: What the hell are you doing on here?! I thought I was the only one on here who hadn't drank the Kool-Aid.

And by the way, we have as much chance of beating Weber at their place as I have of becoming the next Pope. And I am not Catholic.
 
oldtimeewualum said:
Hey - Voice of Reason: What the hell are you doing on here?! I thought I was the only one on here who hadn't drank the Kool-Aid.

And by the way, we have as much chance of beating Weber at their place as I have of becoming the next Pope. And I am not Catholic.
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Hold on oldtimeewualum, we do have a chance in Ogden, and keep your hopes up, word from Vatican City is the cardinals are broadening the search. ;)
 
Oldtime: I drink plenty of other stuff, but never the Kool-Aid.

So could somebody please tell me why it's so hard to win here? Does it start with the facilities? The location? The administration?

Seems to me that with such a weak league, there's no reason you can't win at EWU. Just grab the best five non-big Division I recruits in the region (Think Gfeller, Sarbaugh-types), mix in three or four J.C. scorers and big men, and recruit some b-level talent out of Seattle, and boom -- you're done. You'll have kids out there that local fans will drive a half-hour to watch (ie, the local kids. These local kids would have instant chemistry since they've been playing AAU ball together since they were kids.) And you'll have enough talent (the Seattle/J.C. angle) to stay competitive (thanks to being in such a bad league).

Thoughts??? C'mon Oldtime. Give me your best shot.
 
eags-voiceofreason,

you cover many topics above. Can we start with the recruiting philosophy you describe.

Beginning with your hypothetical recruiting strategy. Do you think the mix of recruits you describe would put players on the court with the same or more talent than what we already have? I doubt it.
 
My point is this on recruiting locally: If we really want an undersized point guard who can't shoot and can only go right (or left), wouldn't a team like EWU be ahead to save the money you spent recruiting a guy from Australia or Germany, and take the guy from Colfax or Gonzaga Prep, who has roughly the same skills but also family and friends who would come watch?
 
The way I see it is as follows:
If the Eagles can pull it off against Weber and S. Utah loses to ND, and NAU loses to Montana the Eagles MAY have a chance at the RPI tie breaker if their RPI increases about 20 points due to the win over Weber and SUU RPI decreases 4 points because of the loss to ND.
Well at least it is a chance!
 
clawman said:
The way I see it is as follows:
If the Eagles can pull it off against Weber and S. Utah loses to ND, and NAU loses to Montana the Eagles MAY have a chance at the RPI tie breaker if their RPI increases about 20 points due to the win over Weber and SUU RPI decreases 4 points because of the loss to ND.
Well at least it is a chance!
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We have to win, S Utah has to lose to UND and both Montana schools have to win and we are in. In all honesty, UND and the Montana schools should win, the difficult part would be EWU winning at Weber.

We would get the tie breaker this way as 3 schools would be tied and would all have the same record against each other, we would have the best conference win (Weber) so we would get the tourney slot.

Definitely a looong shot, but it's a shot....
 
Incorrect...Southern Utah must WIN at North Dakota, while Sac and NAU both lose in Montana and EWU wins at Weber. In that case, EWU, Nau and Sac are in a three-way tie for 7th at 8-12 and are all 2-2 in head-to-head play (EWU swept NAU, who swept Sac, who swept EWU). So it goes to the next tiebreaker, which is record vs. the league in descending order. All three were swept by Montana, but EWU beat Weber, thus they win the tiebreaker.

If Southern Utah LOSES to North Dakota and the other three lose/win in the above scenario, then there is a 4-way tie for 6th at 8-12. Southern Utah was 4-2 head-to-head, Sac and EWU 3-3 and NAU 2-4. So Southern Utah gets 6th and the tiebreak is between Sac and EWU for 7th and Sac wins it with the head-to-head sweep of EWU.

That is from the conference office, so it's official. I didn't explain it this way on the broadcast because I thought EWU could only tie for 7th and didn't see the possibility of the 4-way tie for 6th. After the game last night, I looked at the standings and thought the tie for 6th hadn't been covered, but it had. My mistake. Should have figured it out ahead of time...
 
Larry Weir said:
Incorrect...Southern Utah must WIN at North Dakota, while Sac and NAU both lose in Montana and EWU wins at Weber. In that case, EWU, Nau and Sac are in a three-way tie for 7th at 8-12 and are all 2-2 in head-to-head play (EWU swept NAU, who swept Sac, who swept EWU). So it goes to the next tiebreaker, which is record vs. the league in descending order. All three were swept by Montana, but EWU beat Weber, thus they win the tiebreaker.

If Southern Utah LOSES to North Dakota and the other three lose/win in the above scenario, then there is a 4-way tie for 6th at 8-12. Southern Utah was 4-2 head-to-head, Sac and EWU 3-3 and NAU 2-4. So Southern Utah gets 6th and the tiebreak is between Sac and EWU for 7th and Sac wins it with the head-to-head sweep of EWU.

That is from the conference office, so it's official. I didn't explain it this way on the broadcast because I thought EWU could only tie for 7th and didn't see the possibility of the 4-way tie for 6th. After the game last night, I looked at the standings and thought the tie for 6th hadn't been covered, but it had. My mistake. Should have figured it out ahead of time...
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Thanks for the clarification Larry.
Wondering if Weber has anything to play for other than another win, is there any chance they win the conference? If Montana loses and Weber wins who wins the conference?
 
Thanks for the clarification Larry.
Wondering if Weber has anything to play for other than another win, is there any chance they win the conference? If Montana loses and Weber wins who wins the conference?[/quote]


It would come down to the descending order tiebreaker...if both go 18-2, UM would have lost to NAU and Weber to MSU. So if NAU finishes higher than MSU, Weber would win because of their sweep of NAU. If MSU is higher, UM would win based on their sweep of the 'Cats. And I have no idea who wins the tiebreaker between NAU and MSU, because that means Sac and maybe even SUU would all end up at 9-11 too. And it would be for 5th place, which means if all four are tied, one team will get left out of the postseason! Glad I'm not in the BSC office for that one...too much thinking for a dumb broadcaster.
 
Larry Weir said:
Incorrect...Southern Utah must WIN at North Dakota, while Sac and NAU both lose in Montana and EWU wins at Weber. In that case, EWU, Nau and Sac are in a three-way tie for 7th at 8-12 and are all 2-2 in head-to-head play (EWU swept NAU, who swept Sac, who swept EWU). So it goes to the next tiebreaker, which is record vs. the league in descending order. All three were swept by Montana, but EWU beat Weber, thus they win the tiebreaker.

If Southern Utah LOSES to North Dakota and the other three lose/win in the above scenario, then there is a 4-way tie for 6th at 8-12. Southern Utah was 4-2 head-to-head, Sac and EWU 3-3 and NAU 2-4. So Southern Utah gets 6th and the tiebreak is between Sac and EWU for 7th and Sac wins it with the head-to-head sweep of EWU.

That is from the conference office, so it's official. I didn't explain it this way on the broadcast because I thought EWU could only tie for 7th and didn't see the possibility of the 4-way tie for 6th. After the game last night, I looked at the standings and thought the tie for 6th hadn't been covered, but it had. My mistake. Should have figured it out ahead of time...
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Thanks for the correction, I had the winner of the S. Utah/UND game switched, my bad.

Thanks for the input.
 
This just in...one more way for the Eagles to be in the conference tournament. From Dave Cook...

There is one additional 3-way tie that would enable Eastern to advance to the Big Sky Conference Tournament, and would require EWU to beat Weber State, NAU to lose at Montana, Southern Utah to lose at North Dakota and Sacramento State to win at Montana State. If that happened, Sac would finish 9-11 and avoid the four-way tie that would go against EWU. NAU-SUU-EWU would finish at 8-12, and EWU and SUU would each be 3-1 among the tied teams, and NAU would be 0-4. That eliminates NAU, and because EWU/SUU split, our win Saturday against Weber State would break the tie.

So we are up-to-date...at least for now. The big thinkers may find something else along the way. I'll pass it along if they do.
 
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