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Spring football

I heard Hilliard and Croxdale will get limited action this spring, mainly because the coaches want to take a look at all the other RB's, and to not ding these guys up. Croxdale is recuperating from a hand injury from the Causeway, and I guess Hilliard's foot (or toe) is till bothersome. Looking forward to see who steps up!
 
Anyone else here hope the save Hilliard until BSC play starts up? Maybe even sit Flem/Reed/Hendershott against OSU?
 
Why the cr@p should we concede a loss before the game even starts? Don't you know what a B(C)$-level win could do for our season?

Look, the Big Sky has historically been rated higher than the Big West in football. (Yes, I know that the league doesn't sponsor football anymore.) That means that teams in the Big Sky are generally better than teams in the Big West. (Cow Poly may be an exception to that. They seem to be on par with the Sky.) Oregon State has a history of losing to "lesser" schools; in fact, they lost to the Big West.

Given that history, why the heck can't Sac beat Oregon State? A loss is NOT a done deal, guys. It's certainly a possibility, but PLEASE don't assume it until it's done.
 
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And K, yes sit Hilliard for week 1. We will need him in week 2.
Reed hasn't started a season healthy yet, no reason to expect otherwise so that answers that question.
Fleming should play at least until it gets out of hand, then put in Carmazzi. ;)
If healthy Hendershott should play for a few series at the minimum.
 
Are you guys kidding? Football is a collision sport, people can get hurt no matter who you are playing.
As I recall we lost Jared Pereira and Curtis Shaw for the season playing Western Oregon. Maybe we should sit all the starters until the BSC games or better still until the Causeway, to make sure no one gets hurt!
I say play the best that you have available every game. Splitting time with Shaw, Douglas etc. should take some of the stress off Hilliard.
 
Maybe we should just ask our Non conference opponents if it will be OK to play 2 hand touch, oh wait, we could still turn an ankle....better we just play NCAA 2011 on the XBOX, until BSC starts :lol:

I personally think that the coaches will play to win, and have the best available players go...with that said, if a game gets out of hand...one way or the other (up big/ down big) then you start to sub out to prevent injuries.

P.S.
Anyone make out to the practices yet? Assesments?
I am going to try and make it out to each of the scrimmages.
 
OldGreen67 said:
Maybe we should just ask our Non conference opponents if it will be OK to play 2 hand touch, oh wait, we could still turn an ankle....better we just play NCAA 2011 on the XBOX, until BSC starts :lol:

I personally think that the coaches will play to win, and have the best available players go...with that said, if a game gets out of hand...one way or the other (up big/ down big) then you start to sub out to prevent injuries.

P.S.
Anyone make out to the practices yet? Assesments?
I am going to try and make it out to each of the scrimmages.
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We haven’t had the best luck wrt health in these payday games. MBT and Coleman were lost at Stanford last season. If we didn’t have Fleming last season, it would have been a 2 or 3 win season. We lost Hilliard for an entire season due to the damage he sustained in both shoulders from the Colorado State game a few years back. In these payday games, the risk far outweighs the reward and especially given that these players K mentioned are coming off of major injuries, limiting their play should absolutely be considered.
 
Super Hornet said:
Why the cr@p should we concede a loss before the game even starts? Don't you know what a B(C)$-level win could do for our season?

Look, the Big Sky has historically been rated higher than the Big West in football. (Yes, I know that the league doesn't sponsor football anymore.) That means that teams in the Big Sky are generally better than teams in the Big West. (Cow Poly may be an exception to that. They seem to be on par with the Sky.) Oregon State has a history of losing to "lesser" schools; in fact, they lost to the Big West.

Given that history, why the heck can't Sac beat Oregon State? A loss is NOT a done deal, guys. It's certainly a possibility, but PLEASE don't assume it until it's done.
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SH, I TOTALLY agree with you. Who wants to hear the coaches talk in the locker room if we play the way everyone else is advocating. "Guys, don't get hit. If an opponent is coming at you, hit the ground before he hits you, that way you do not get hit. Receivers, don't even try to catch the pass, in fact, lay down at the line of scrimmage so you don't get hurt.

NO! They want to hear, guys they are rebuilding, they are young at alot of positions. We can catch them out of position and make some plays. And when we get to the 4th quarter and we are still in this game, they will doubt themselves and then we will strike deep and take advantage of that young secondary. We CAN beat these guys. That is what this program needs to take it to the next level.
 
Sitting guys the first game of the year would never work. I want you to try and tell the players that they wont be playing when the entire offseason that is solely what they have been training for. All offseason these players are going to be using osu as motivation to keep training and then when the time finally comes you want them to sit? Never going to happen.
 
What does protecting your injury prone players in a meaningless payday game have to do with not letting those who play go 100% on the field? Nobody on this board was implying that the coaches would be telling the players to take dives and avoid contact; that is one hell of a stretch HH.
 
If you haterade drinking heroes think for one second that Sperbeck isn't considering shutting down Hilliard and maybe Fleming or Reed for week one against Oregon State, you're crazy.

Firstly, the when I said hold out until BSC play, I was thinking the Weber BSC opener was Week 2, I had forgotten about Southern Utah coming up that soon. And, if reports of lingering injuries to your three best offensive weapons are valid, there's no reason to throw them into a game where, let's face it, it's a statistical probability that they're more likely to be injured against a larger/faster Pac-12 foe. Sure players get hurt against the Western Oregon's of the world, but you're tempting fate and borderline delusional hoping that a hobbled above average FCS player will somehow escape this contest without furthering an injury, let alone leading the team to victory.

While it may be quasi-true that a victory in a game like this (0-5% chance of victory IMO) would help the program, what really would help is victories against FCS competition from week 2 to 11, that would give us a chance to show our stuff in the playoffs, or even host a game. I gurantee if you give the players a choice of upsetting OSU and finishing the year 6-5 or losing to OSU and finishing 8-3 and hosting a playoff game or two for the chance at a National Championship, they'd choose the later 10 times out of 10 (I'm not saying that beating OSU would result in such a record, just trying to prove a point).

Don't confuse being rational with being cowardly my friends. Sometimes, discretion is the better part of valor...
 
Some of my thoughts....

1 - If a player is 100% healthy they play against OSU...if they are still nursing any lingering injuries from prior season or summer, then hold them out. Regardless of who they are.

2 - Though I agree with you that players would rather make the playoffs or host a game this season, in the long run the program would get more help/notoriaty with a victory over a BCS school than a FCS playoff game...Remember Appalachian State, only people in the FCS circles knew or cared about them, until THE GAME :D

3 - Hornets vs Beavers - Hornets quick, aggressive, swarming insects with a toxic sting. Beavers, slow, aquatic vegan mammals....I take the Hornets everytime :hump:
 
Vegan mammals....lol great association. :rofl:

Play everyone who is 100%, if you are injured or not 100% sit and get better. We are still 5-6 months away from the first snap, if I was any of these semi-injured players I would cut out all pick-up BBall games, flag football contests and basically play horseshoes waiting for the opener. Get better and be ready.

Hilliard has always been injured, he is just prone to injury and no amount of resting will overcome that, plan on him being productive for four games and find his replacements.

Cal Poly plays these types of teams and did well when Ellerson was there, Wisconsin, SD State. I dont think we will knock off a Pac20 team, but I think we could hold tough for a half or so. I would rather us play Wyoming, Utah State, Idaho, etc. I know the Pac20 pays more, but it would be good to get a W against an FBS, last win in that division was 18yrs ago.
 
GCM: IMO, that depends on WHO the Pac-Whatever is. We're probably not going to take U$C/Oregon (as much as I'd like to). But Stanford is occasionally beatable (they've lost to the likes of SJSU more than they'd like to admit, and I think the Manure Pile had them on the ropes for a while). Utah (and maybe Colorado) would be in the beatable realm for us. Washington and Arizona are on the edge of what we can handle, and Wazzu is probably takable. UCLA and Cal are probably too much. ASU, I'm not so sure about right now.

So your principle works in GENERAL, but probably not in every case. (Again, this is my OPINION, which many here may not agree with. That's fine.)
 
SDHornet said:
What does protecting your injury prone players in a meaningless payday game have to do with not letting those who play go 100% on the field? Nobody on this board was implying that the coaches would be telling the players to take dives and avoid contact; that is one hell of a stretch HH.
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SD I was NOT advocating the players taking dives, i was using exaggeration to point out the absurdity of the argument that sitting guys down for minor reasons was a good thing. In fact, I think it sends the absolute wrong message. The message we should want to portray is we can bring it every game.
 
First scrimmage was spirited. Safron will be a capable backup for Fleming this year, and he has some wheels. The O line is going to be very good this year. Matt Shinn was on the field with the 1's at center. He's bulked up a little and did well in the middle. Devonte Martin showed that he will be a good one at left guard. He's slimmed down a bit from last year and looked strong and quick. The running backs had some good gains and Tezanos - Pinto showed speed and power out of the backfield. Douglas looked better than last year, but not ready for the season and Shaw broke off some incredible runs. He stays healthy and it will be a special season. Recievers Deadder, Norrise and Broadnax all made some nice catch and runs.

On the defense, a lot of numbers were changed around and it was hard to tell who was who. Fukofuka was playing in the middle and along with Nash and Laban, did a good job with the rush as well as stopping up the middle. Todd Davis has been moved from DE to LB this year and the coaches are excited about him.

Jason Diniz has a strong leg, but missed left on a couple of kicks. Augie wasn't playing today, nor was Hilliard, Fleming, Reed, or Coleman.

Talked to a couple of the coaches afterward and they are cautiously optimistic about the year. They like what they see but realize there's a lot of work to do.
 
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