The Coaching Search begins...

[Wildcat 100]

I might be wrong, but I have heard that drug-testing is now part of the NCAA process. Can the compliance guy verify if I'm right or wrong? As for testing...If you are clean, who cares. It shouldn't be a big deal. Give them a cup of piss and move on.

The NCAA tests a random sample once per semester when they come on campus and at all NCAA championship events (why the people were tested at Montana in the playoffs).

The student-athletes all consent to WSU's drug-testing procedure as a condition for participation in athletics. It's perfectly legal, and there are a number of reasons that we do it.

thank you for the clarification, it's all good, and i hope the boys pass the test.....

 

[hawkssb04]

http://www.footballscoop.com/the-scoop

"Weber State: Sources tell us the AD is aiming high in this search. We have learned that a highly successful former NFL head coach is coming in for a tour tomorrow. [Like this strategy]"

Jim Fassel?

Dave Campo?

 

[EWURanger]

As for Beau Baldwin...Yes he has shown interest. From a buddy, I heard that he wasn't treated too well by Eastern after winning an NC. Huh?? Okay...that's smart. Yikes!! Anyway, also, let's look at his assets. We know he can recruit. Look at the calibre of player he has brought into Cheney Washington? Weber has better facilities, is a better school, and is in a far better location. Imagine...

I think a little bit of perspective is needed in this discussion. I'm not sure who your sources are, but I'm a little skeptical of the situation you describe above. I have never heard that Baldwin was not treated well, or that he's actively looking for a new job elsewhere.

In all seriousness, I'd be really surprised to see Baldwin lured away from EWU by another Big Sky program. Not just Weber State, but any big sky program. If and when that staff departs, I think it will be for a program with a much higher profile than any in the Big Sky. And that's not a knock on Weber State specifically or the Big Sky in general.

And by better facilities, I assume you mean bigger. Even with a smaller stadium and one less home game, EWU still out-drew Weber in football this year. Roos Field is what it is, but in terms of weight room, practice facilities, locker rooms, etc., EWU is near the top of the Big Sky in those areas. There are also plans in the works for additional improvements to Roos Field. The "better" school comment is a pretty subjective comments, but if you are talking about academics, the two are pretty similar...but again, if you meant "bigger", then yeah - EWU only has 11,000 students. But again, put in perspective, a lot of those students live on campus or in town while a lot of Weber's students are commuters. That can be a big factor in terms of student support.

As far as location - I honestly don't see how a claim could be made for Ogden being a better location for a football program. People seem to think that Cheney is some sort of remote outpost, but it's only about 15 miles from downtown Spokane in a metro area of 650k+. Furthermore, let's remember Baldwin and most of his staff are all Washingtonians with deep ties to the Pacific Northwest. EWU benefits from being located in a talent-rich state with only 2 FBS programs to compete with, and I have a hard time seeing Baldwin leaving that recruiting base and those connections. His wife and entire family are also from Washington.......to lure him away from that situatation I think it would take considerbaly more money than EWU would be willing to offer.

EWU has big plans for its football program, and I see EWU doing whatever they can to retain Baldwin.

I think Weber State should take a look at Paul Wulff. He stuggled at Washington State, but that is a tough place to win at. He is a good coach and a proven winner in the Big Sky Conference. I think he would be a good hire. :twocents:

 

[wsucatfan]

As for Beau Baldwin...Yes he has shown interest. From a buddy, I heard that he wasn't treated too well by Eastern after winning an NC. Huh?? Okay...that's smart. Yikes!! Anyway, also, let's look at his assets. We know he can recruit. Look at the caliber of player he has brought into Cheney Washington? Weber has better facilities, is a better school, and is in a far better location. Imagine...

I think a little bit of perspective is needed in this discussion. I'm not sure who your sources are, but I'm a little skeptical of the situation you describe above. I have never heard that Baldwin was not treated well, or that he's actively looking for a new job elsewhere.

In all seriousness, I'd be really surprised to see Baldwin lured away from EWU by another Big Sky program. Not just Weber State, but any big sky program. If and when that staff departs, I think it will be for a program with a much higher profile than any in the Big Sky. And that's not a knock on Weber State specifically or the Big Sky in general.

And by better facilities, I assume you mean bigger. Even with a smaller stadium and one less home game, EWU still out-drew Weber in football this year. Roos Field is what it is, but in terms of weight room, practice facilities, locker rooms, etc., EWU is near the top of the Big Sky in those areas. There are also plans in the works for additional improvements to Roos Field. The "better" school comment is a pretty subjective comments, but if you are talking about academics, the two are pretty similar...but again, if you meant "bigger", then yeah - EWU only has 11,000 students. But again, put in perspective, a lot of those students live on campus or in town while a lot of Weber's students are commuters. That can be a big factor in terms of student support.

As far as location - I honestly don't see how a claim could be made for Ogden being a better location for a football program. People seem to think that Cheney is some sort of remote outpost, but it's only about 15 miles from downtown Spokane in a metro area of 650k+. Furthermore, let's remember Baldwin and most of his staff are all Washingtonians with deep ties to the Pacific Northwest. EWU benefits from being located in a talent-rich state with only 2 FBS programs to compete with, and I have a hard time seeing Baldwin leaving that recruiting base and those connections. His wife and entire family are also from Washington.......to lure him away from that situation I think it would take considerably more money than EWU would be willing to offer.

EWU has big plans for its football program, and I see EWU doing whatever they can to retain Baldwin.

I think Weber State should take a look at Paul Wulff. He struggled at Washington State, but that is a tough place to win at. He is a good coach and a proven winner in the Big Sky Conference. I think he would be a good hire. :twocents:

I don't see Badwin leaving EWU for WSU either. Here are a few more names being thrown around: Brian Wright MSU offensive coordinator, James Madison defensive coordinator Kyle Gillenwater and Southern Virginia head coach DeLane Fitzgerald.

http://www.bozemandailychronicle.co...e-of-weber-states-interest-in-oc-brian-wright

 

[wsucatfan]

Southern Virginia Head Coach DeLane Fitzgerald

DeLane Fitzgerald is in his third season as head football coach at Southern Virginia and is in his tenth year of coaching collegiate football, making previous stops at his alma mater James Madison University (NCAA DI-FCS), the University of Tennessee at Martin (NCAA DI-FCS) and Bethel College (NAIA).

In his two plus years as Southern Virginia's head coach, Fitzgerald has posted a 10-22 overall record (5-22 NAIA), including the second-best season in program history in 2010 (4-7). (not very impressive...)

Two weeks ago, Fitzgerald became the winningest coach in Southern Virginia football's nine-year history, passing Mike Smith who went 9-13 overall (8-13 NAIA) from 2007-08.

http://athletics.svu.edu/sports/fball/2011-12/releases/20111118qa77fz

More:
http://athletics.svu.edu/sports/fball/coaches/index

 

[wsucatfan]

Kyle Gillenwater Bio:

http://www.jmusports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=14400&ATCLID=795621

 

[talhadfoursteals]

Baldwin is a top candidate to replace Ron McBride. So is John L. Smith, Eck, Lamb, and Fassell. Whether Baldwin is offered the job, or not, is beside the point. I was merely pointing out that he inquired about the job, and applied for it. He contacted WEBER, and I understand why. Weber has a lot more potential than Eastern. All I did was state the facts as to why he would want to come here.

 

[smjcpa1]

Baldwin did inquire about the Weber job and did apply. After winning the national championship, Eastern did not offer him a contract extension, bonus or anything else. They acted like it was just another win on the schedule. Since applying for the Weber job, the AD at Eastern did sweeten the pot - so to say - for Baldwin to stay. He has since removed his name from consideration for the Weber State job. hno: Sorry, I won't reveal my source, but I know that the above info is accurate.

 

[SDHornet]

Sacramento State: Sources tell us Weber State offensive coordinator Matt Hammer interviewing for same position at Sac State

Sacramento State: We hear head coach Marshall Sperbeck is interviewing a small number of candidates for offensive coordinator. Sperbeck called it himself this season.

http://www.footballscoop.com/the-scoop

Matt is getting nervous, he knows he probably wont be here when we hire our new coach.

So how did Coach Hammer do here? His bio states he was the recruiting coordinator and WSU has definitely had some athletes the past handful of years. Is he responsible for the balanced pass/rush offensive system at WSU? How long was he the OC at WSU? An OC is a definite need at Sac and the Pistol experiment we tried this past season was a total disaster. :?:

 

[Wildcat 100]

Baldwin did inquire about the Weber job and did apply. After winning the national championship, Eastern did not offer him a contract extension, bonus or anything else. They acted like it was just another win on the schedule. Since applying for the Weber job, the AD at Eastern did sweeten the pot - so to say - for Baldwin to stay. He has since removed his name from consideration for the Weber State job. hno: Sorry, I won't reveal my source, but I know that the above info is accurate.

Baldwin is a strategist, and a smart one at that. Kudos to him, and EWU had to step up to the plate or else

 

[SDHornet]

Baldwin did inquire about the Weber job and did apply. After winning the national championship, Eastern did not offer him a contract extension, bonus or anything else. They acted like it was just another win on the schedule. Since applying for the Weber job, the AD at Eastern did sweeten the pot - so to say - for Baldwin to stay. He has since removed his name from consideration for the Weber State job. hno: Sorry, I won't reveal my source, but I know that the above info is accurate.

Sounds like Baldwin did what any employee at any job would do to leverage higher wage/benefits from their current employer.

 

[hawkssb04]

Sacramento State: Sources tell us Weber State offensive coordinator Matt Hammer interviewing for same position at Sac State

Sacramento State: We hear head coach Marshall Sperbeck is interviewing a small number of candidates for offensive coordinator. Sperbeck called it himself this season.

http://www.footballscoop.com/the-scoop

Matt is getting nervous, he knows he probably wont be here when we hire our new coach.

So how did Coach Hammer do here? His bio states he was the recruiting coordinator and WSU has definitely had some athletes the past handful of years. Is he responsible for the balanced pass/rush offensive system at WSU? How long was he the OC at WSU? An OC is a definite need at Sac and the Pistol experiment we tried this past season was a total disaster. :?:

Hammer has been the OC in some form since the 2009 season. He was splitting duties with another coach then, but has been doing it solo for two seasons. Before that he was the running backs coach for our all-time leading rusher Trevyn Smith.

 

[anewfan]

@SDhornet
Hammer was an OC for 2 years at the most (it may have been 1). I hear he has a pretty good head on his shoulders, but he needs more time (experience) to consistently develop a good game plan. About his recruiting - he worked closely with McBride and does have an eye for talent.

 

[EWURanger]

I was merely pointing out that he inquired about the job, and applied for it. He contacted WEBER, and I understand why. Weber has a lot more potential than Eastern.

Dude, no offense, but are you kidding me? How many playoff appearances has all that potential translated to? How many Big Sky Championships? Payton or Buchanan winners, National Championships? I respect Weber's program and you guys are always a tough opponent, but the two school's football resumes are not the same. The expectations are not the same....we expect to be in the Big Sky title hunt and in the playoffs every year. This isn't the Eastern of the 1980's where there was little support from the administration. Not sure how you can say there is more potential at WSU in terms of football programs. Basketball, sure, but football? Agree to disagree, I guess.

 

[bigskychamps07]

I was merely pointing out that he inquired about the job, and applied for it. He contacted WEBER, and I understand why. Weber has a lot more potential than Eastern.

Dude, no offense, but are you kidding me? How many playoff appearances has all that potential translated to? How many Big Sky Championships? Payton or Buchanan winners, National Championships? I respect Weber's program and you guys are always a tough opponent, but the two school's football resumes are not the same. The expectations are not the same....we expect to be in the Big Sky title hunt and in the playoffs every year. This isn't the Eastern of the 1980's where there was little support from the administration. Not sure how you can say there is more potential at WSU in terms of football programs. Basketball, sure, but football? Agree to disagree, I guess.

I think they have pretty similar programs. Eastern has had the upper hand for the past couple of years, but Weber did for the 2 before that. I don't know where you come off thinking Weber isn't competing for a Big Sky Championship and playoff berth when they've tied for 2nd the last 3 seasons.

 

[talhadfoursteals]

I was merely pointing out that he inquired about the job, and applied for it. He contacted WEBER, and I understand why. Weber has a lot more potential than Eastern.

Dude, no offense, but are you kidding me? How many playoff appearances has all that potential translated to? How many Big Sky Championships? Payton or Buchanan winners, National Championships? I respect Weber's program and you guys are always a tough opponent, but the two school's football resumes are not the same. The expectations are not the same....we expect to be in the Big Sky title hunt and in the playoffs every year. This isn't the Eastern of the 1980's where there was little support from the administration. Not sure how you can say there is more potential at WSU in terms of football programs. Basketball, sure, but football? Agree to disagree, I guess.

In the last four seasons...hmmm...Weber has a Big Sky Championship and two playoff appearances. In the last two years Weber has barely missed the play-offs (this year they were three plays away). Yes, Eastern has beaten Weber 3 of the last 4, but...two timely TOs and Higgins throwing 3 INTS in the endzone preserved Eastern wins each time. In the other game, Weber totally beat the crap out of the Eagles. Also, yes, we get it, the Eagles won the NC last year, ISU has a NC too; and you followed that up by not making the playoffs this year. I don't care what you say or think. There is noway that Eastern has more potential for growth. Baldwin knows it, that is why he wanted to come here. I'm stating facts bud. Stop looking at things through your red colored glasses and realize that Eastern and Weber are on two different planes.

But like you said...Agree to disagree. You should be pretty jazzed about your basketball team.

 

[clawman]

I was merely pointing out that he inquired about the job, and applied for it. He contacted WEBER, and I understand why. Weber has a lot more potential than Eastern.

Dude, no offense, but are you kidding me? How many playoff appearances has all that potential translated to? How many Big Sky Championships? Payton or Buchanan winners, National Championships? I respect Weber's program and you guys are always a tough opponent, but the two school's football resumes are not the same. The expectations are not the same....we expect to be in the Big Sky title hunt and in the playoffs every year. This isn't the Eastern of the 1980's where there was little support from the administration. Not sure how you can say there is more potential at WSU in terms of football programs. Basketball, sure, but football? Agree to disagree, I guess.

In the last four seasons...hmmm...Weber has a Big Sky Championship and two playoff appearances. In the last two years Weber has barely missed the play-offs (this year they were three plays away). Yes, Eastern has beaten Weber 3 of the last 4, but...two timely TOs and Higgins throwing 3 INTS in the endzone preserved Eastern wins each time. In the other game, Weber totally beat the crap out of the Eagles. Also, yes, we get it, the Eagles won the NC last year, ISU has a NC too; and you followed that up by not making the playoffs this year. I don't care what you say or think. There is noway that Eastern has more potential for growth. Baldwin knows it, that is why he wanted to come here. I'm stating facts bud. Stop looking at things through your red colored glasses and realize that Eastern and Weber are on two different planes.

But like you said...Agree to disagree. You should be pretty jazzed about your basketball team.

You kind of lost me when you brought ISU into the conversation. There is a lot of upside for Baldwin staying at Eastern for the near future anyway. Baring another year of injuries the Eagles have the potential of another championship run next year. We were a VERY young team this year and the red shirt pool is very deep. To start over establishing his culture at a new school takes some time. IF the Eagles make the playoff run we expect in 2012 his stock will rise dramatically and the possibility of an FBS job may open up. If he makes a move to another FCS school it would take years longer to even get a look at a FBS job.
Good Luck with your search for a new coach and we'll look forward to showing him a little Eagle football :thumb:

 

[SDHornet]

@SDhornet
Hammer was an OC for 2 years at the most (it may have been 1). I hear he has a pretty good head on his shoulders, but he needs more time (experience) to consistently develop a good game plan. About his recruiting - he worked closely with McBride and does have an eye for talent.

Thanks to you and hawkssb04 for a response. :thumb:

 

[hawkssb04]

Baldwin did inquire about the Weber job and did apply. After winning the national championship, Eastern did not offer him a contract extension, bonus or anything else. They acted like it was just another win on the schedule. Since applying for the Weber job, the AD at Eastern did sweeten the pot - so to say - for Baldwin to stay. He has since removed his name from consideration for the Weber State job. hno: Sorry, I won't reveal my source, but I know that the above info is accurate.

Sounds like Baldwin did what any employee at any job would do to leverage higher wage/benefits from their current employer.

I think you hit it right on the head. I'm told Baldwin has now withdrawn his name from consideration. Sounds like EWU gave him just what he wanted/needed. :notworthy:

 

[Waldo2]

This is kinda strange - no discussion on this topic for a few days. I thought for sure we would have some news by now.
Anybody out there? Beuller? Beuller?
:wall: