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The Dam Cup
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BroadwayVik
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I think the name still needs tweaking. I understand there are dams along the Upper and Lower portions of the Columbia River, and these can represent the common tie between the two universities. But psychological reactance cannot help but conger up a negative image each time the name of this rivalry trophy is mentioned. It sounds like the "trophy of the damned," as if the opposite of inspiration was involved. Is the Dam Cup the cursed cup?
Wouldn't the Columbia Cup or the Columbia Power Cup be a more favorable and positive image? Isn't the river itself the main connection? What's so special about dams? The Grand Coulee vs. the Bonneville? Do they instill one with a sense of awe? Aren't they kind of far removed from Portland and Cheney? Who originated this idea?
Wouldn't the Columbia Cup or the Columbia Power Cup be a more favorable and positive image? Isn't the river itself the main connection? What's so special about dams? The Grand Coulee vs. the Bonneville? Do they instill one with a sense of awe? Aren't they kind of far removed from Portland and Cheney? Who originated this idea?
BroadwayVik said:I think the name still needs tweaking. I understand there are dams along the Upper and Lower portions of the Columbia River, and these can represent the common tie between the two universities. But psychological reactance cannot help but conger up a negative image each time the name of this rivalry trophy is mentioned. It sounds like the "trophy of the damned," as if the opposite of inspiration was involved. Is the Dam Cup the cursed cup?
Wouldn't the Columbia Cup or the Columbia Power Cup be a more favorable and positive image? Isn't the river itself the main connection? What's so special about dams? The Grand Coulee vs. the Bonneville? Do they instill one with a sense of awe? Aren't they kind of far removed from Portland and Cheney? Who originated this idea?
Agreed. The "Columbia Cup" sounds like a MUCH better name. :thumb:
GreenGiant
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I know the idea of a "rivalry" is attractive to both schools. Manufactured rivalries don't have the innate ability to conjure up emotion from the fans or the players, it's that emotion that makes it a rivalry. The name isn't important.
BroadwayVik
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You know, you're absolutely right. The name of this "rivalry" isn't important because the rivalry is a manufactured one, devoid of natural emotion. ?his does not in any way deny that EWU has a good team.
With what university would there be natural emotion for an authentic rivalry for Portland State? I think, if we were football members of the Mountain West, that natural rivalries would be realized (with real emotion) opposite a university (or universities) that is very much like our own.
Given a potential future state in which quality of teams was largely equivalent, I would say Boise State or San Jose State would make for a natural rival for PSU. Not as things currently stand, of course. The difference in quality is significant now, but the qualitative similarities between our university and these two institutions would very likely set the stage for real emotion to come to the fore.
o San Jose State versus Portland State (Silicon Valley versus Silicon Forest)
o Boise State versus Portland State (PSU never played so well as a D-II team as when playing Boise State)
Establishing emotional linkage as this is important to our university's authentic development. I agree that the imposition of an artificial rivalry naturally falls flat. It does not contribute to the authentic development. It is, in fact, a distortion, a ruse. There is no question that such kind of leadership leads us to believe in a lie. The best thing to do is to make the investment to rise up and out of the FCS into a conference of look-alikes.
Right now, we have a set of only three natural rivals: Sac State, UC-Davis and Cal Poly. The others are of a different character that do not engage our kind of character sufficiently or in the way needed. Thus, we cannot be but impeded in establishing our own identity. PSU is like a teenager now with the choice to rebel or give in to parental authority. For its own sake, I say PSU needs to assert itself politically.
The politics of distorted identity (the source of PSU's disconnect) was first engaged by some protectorate state politicians in 1955 when Portland State became a college and these meddlers shackled the college's natural course of development. Portland State has suffered chronically from distortional development as a result. Portland State needs to break free of this political stranglehold and proceed according to its own healthy course of development. Only in this way can it establish its true identity.
May I say, in the spirit of the 1960s, Off these pigs! Let get these pigs off our back and burgeon forward in authenticity, what PSU would have been if the meddlers had not interfered. Let's get righteously angry.
With what university would there be natural emotion for an authentic rivalry for Portland State? I think, if we were football members of the Mountain West, that natural rivalries would be realized (with real emotion) opposite a university (or universities) that is very much like our own.
Given a potential future state in which quality of teams was largely equivalent, I would say Boise State or San Jose State would make for a natural rival for PSU. Not as things currently stand, of course. The difference in quality is significant now, but the qualitative similarities between our university and these two institutions would very likely set the stage for real emotion to come to the fore.
o San Jose State versus Portland State (Silicon Valley versus Silicon Forest)
o Boise State versus Portland State (PSU never played so well as a D-II team as when playing Boise State)
Establishing emotional linkage as this is important to our university's authentic development. I agree that the imposition of an artificial rivalry naturally falls flat. It does not contribute to the authentic development. It is, in fact, a distortion, a ruse. There is no question that such kind of leadership leads us to believe in a lie. The best thing to do is to make the investment to rise up and out of the FCS into a conference of look-alikes.
Right now, we have a set of only three natural rivals: Sac State, UC-Davis and Cal Poly. The others are of a different character that do not engage our kind of character sufficiently or in the way needed. Thus, we cannot be but impeded in establishing our own identity. PSU is like a teenager now with the choice to rebel or give in to parental authority. For its own sake, I say PSU needs to assert itself politically.
The politics of distorted identity (the source of PSU's disconnect) was first engaged by some protectorate state politicians in 1955 when Portland State became a college and these meddlers shackled the college's natural course of development. Portland State has suffered chronically from distortional development as a result. Portland State needs to break free of this political stranglehold and proceed according to its own healthy course of development. Only in this way can it establish its true identity.
May I say, in the spirit of the 1960s, Off these pigs! Let get these pigs off our back and burgeon forward in authenticity, what PSU would have been if the meddlers had not interfered. Let's get righteously angry.
Broadway, your perennial anger at the schools down south because of the role they played (and still play) in stifling PSU's growth makes them our natural rivals. Land grant vs urban grant. If you're going to consider Boise State or San Jose State you might as well toss them in. In the mean time, our women's teams ensure that we always have the edge with the Dam Cup.
BroadwayVik
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Again, a rivalry with Eastern Washington is an unnatural rivalry. There'd a basis for Eastern Washington and Eastern Oregon to be rivals if EOU were of the same stature.
UO's president in 1955 is responsible for originally disrupting the developmental path of PSU's returning WWII Veterans. The culprit name is Owen Meredith Wilson, an enemy of the people.
Owen Meredith Wilson, The Original Developmental Distorter of Portland State University in 1955
OSU is more democratic. They're more like an bigger older brother who finds it amazing that his kid brother is growing up.
UO's president in 1955 is responsible for originally disrupting the developmental path of PSU's returning WWII Veterans. The culprit name is Owen Meredith Wilson, an enemy of the people.
Owen Meredith Wilson, The Original Developmental Distorter of Portland State University in 1955
OSU is more democratic. They're more like an bigger older brother who finds it amazing that his kid brother is growing up.
OSU isn't entirely blameless, joining UO and the Board in supporting the non-duplication policy to block our engineering development. But that's gone now, evidence being our School of Architecture. And we and the UO are now with boards of our own, going our own way. State support is all but gone too. More and more we look like UCLA and Berkeley - with about a tenth of the funding.
Screamin_Eagle174
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The Columbia Cup is the name of the Unlimited Hydroplane races in the Tri Cities every summer, which is probably why they didn't go with it.
BroadwayVik
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So as to not be duplicative, perhaps find the coolest sounding name for the Columbia River from among native peoples would be most appropriate name for such a trophy. If a cool sounding name can be found, we could use this in the meantime until a policy shift were to come about.
Portland State rather needs healing and to burgeon forth in authenticity.
Portland State rather needs healing and to burgeon forth in authenticity.
BroadwayVik said:Again, a rivalry with Eastern Washington is an unnatural rivalry. There'd a basis for Eastern Washington and Eastern Oregon to be rivals if EOU were of the same stature.
UO's president in 1955 is responsible for originally disrupting the developmental path of PSU's returning WWII Veterans. The culprit name is Owen Meredith Wilson, an enemy of the people.
Owen Meredith Wilson, The Original Developmental Distorter of Portland State University in 1955
OSU is more democratic. They're more like an bigger older brother who finds it amazing that his kid brother is growing up.
Pretty much disagree with everything in your post. Both are large state universities...the fact that we have "Eastern" in the name of our University does not mean we are on par with something like a Western Oregon. Washington has a different university system than Oregon does - our regional Universities are much larger.
Anyway, what a great game. We were pretty much beaten for the majority of that game, but glad we found a way to win in the end.
The principle of having a "natural rivalry"- in my book- involves both sides recognizing the rivalry.
California schools? Really? It seems the Causeway Classic is set. Also, applying the standards we try to set here sort of excludes Poly.
Boise State? They're trying to forget they ever knew Idaho. It's still more natural than their hope (BYU).
I think we've got what we've got... and it'll be intriguing to see how Idaho factors into the EWU equation... more so if they ever move football back to the Sky.
The program first needs notice at home. I'm not sure that happens without inflaming an in-state rivalry... and that's not UO or OSU. It might mean miraculously convincing Western Oregon or Southern Oregon to move up.
California schools? Really? It seems the Causeway Classic is set. Also, applying the standards we try to set here sort of excludes Poly.
Boise State? They're trying to forget they ever knew Idaho. It's still more natural than their hope (BYU).
I think we've got what we've got... and it'll be intriguing to see how Idaho factors into the EWU equation... more so if they ever move football back to the Sky.
The program first needs notice at home. I'm not sure that happens without inflaming an in-state rivalry... and that's not UO or OSU. It might mean miraculously convincing Western Oregon or Southern Oregon to move up.
