Transfers

[DeeScott]

Several people have mentioned on this site that there may be more than one transfer this year. I have heard some rumblings that there is another transfer to be announced soon.

So when does the number of kids transferring--and the reasons for those transfers--begin to reflect on the coaching staff, their recruiting and the way they treat the guys? Not every kid is going to play as much as he wants, that's a fact. But just because a guy isn't going to get minutes doesn't mean he isn't valuable to the team in practice or by his off-court leadership. How do coaches get guys to leave? One way is to tell them that he'll never get any minutes for the rest of his time in the program. Who wouldn't leave after hearing something like that?

In the last two years, there have been the following transfers:
2016-17: McKay Cannon, George Darling, Richaud Gittens, Kiko Stavrev
2017-18: Trevon Ary-Turner, at least one other if not more

Seems like a trend and not a good one.

 

[n.ogdencat]

Who's leaving?

 

[WSUfan1]

Who's leaving?

Hopefully Randy Rahe.

But in all seriousness, this has been a trend basically since Rahe got here. Every year, two or three leave the program. I would suspect, like stated earlier, Court, Dallas or Morris. Could be all three in reality.

 

[DeeScott]

Don't know where it will appear first, but this site seems to be pretty reliable for tracking D1 transfers:

https://www.verbalcommits.com/transfers/Melvin%20Morgan

 

[oldrunner]

As far as I know, all scholarships on campus have to be maintained after they are earned. What is the percentage of academic scholarships that are lost after the first year? I know that it is a high percentage. I don't believe that there are any 4 year guarantees. Morris is a walk on now. He can't lose a grant. Why keep a scholarship active when it isn't being maintained or, at the very least, there is some hope that it will be in the near future. Every year new walk ons are added to be good 'practice' players.

A coach, doing his job well, is looking out for the best interest of his players. Sometimes, that best interest is not here. I don't think that model is going to change any time soon.

 

[n.ogdencat]

Don't know where it will appear first, but this site seems to be pretty reliable for tracking D1 transfers:

https://www.verbalcommits.com/transfers/Melvin%20Morgan

Dee, I am very familiar with verbal commits (they still have Kupsas as only a 2 star, when Rivals has him as a 3, but that is merely academic at this point). However, I asked you who the individual will be. In your original post you inferred that you know who is leaving. My guess is either Dallas or Court.

 

[DeeScott]

As I said before, I have a lot of connections with coaches around Utah and others in AAU. Pretty definite that Court will be leaving.

 

[oldrunner]

Dee also asked when the reasons would come out. The answer to that is almost never will you get the true reasons. The reason for not getting the true reasons are that the coaches don't want to damage the outgoing player and the outgoing player doesn't always want to damage the team. Sometimes a disgruntled player will say something, but that is rare. My feelings are that players and coaches just want to be treated fairly and honestly. Sometimes that honesty can be hard to take, but it is still preferred to being lied to. The only ones that don't get the honesty are the fans, but it is understandable.

 

[n.ogdencat]

As I said before, I have a lot of connections with coaches around Utah and others in AAU. Pretty definite that Court will be leaving.

That is what I figured as well. To me, that is the worst player you want to leave your program if you are Randy Rahe. Says two things to me. 1. If you are a RM, don't even look at Weber State, because the coaches there won't work with you. 2. Local kids best not apply, you aren't Randy's type. Court should have been red shirted this season. He lost a year of eligibility when he wasn't ready to go. To me, I just don't know why the coaches would keep Dallas. You need more depth in the backcourt not the frontcourt.

 

[oldrunner]

As I said before, I have a lot of connections with coaches around Utah and others in AAU. Pretty definite that Court will be leaving.

That is what I figured as well. To me, that is the worst player you want to leave your program if you are Randy Rahe. Says two things to me. 1. If you are a RM, don't even look at Weber State, because the coaches there won't work with you. 2. Local kids best not apply, you aren't Randy's type. Court should have been red shirted this season. He lost a year of eligibility when he wasn't ready to go. To me, I just don't know why the coaches would keep Dallas. You need more depth in the backcourt not the frontcourt.

You guys are jumping to conclusions. At least wait for an anouncement of some kind, either from the player or from the program.

 

[DeeScott]

You are correct Olds, I have spoken out of turn and should not have. News needs to come out through the player or the athletic department.

 

[WSUfan1]

When was the last time a RM came to WSU, and played all four years here? Never maybe?

 

[SWeberCat02]

When was the last time a RM came to WSU, and played all four years here? Never maybe?

Mahoney is the only one I can think of during the Rahe era

 

[WSUfan1]

When was the last time a RM came to WSU, and played all four years here? Never maybe?

Mahoney is the only one I can think of during the Rahe era

Sure. But not a Rahe recruit. I’d like to know a Rahe recruit.

 

[DeeScott]

Wonder why Rahe doesn't work with RM's or at least why they haven't been successful all four years under him. BYU, Utah, and USU all work with them and they have varying levels of success.

 

[SWeberCat02]

When was the last time a RM came to WSU, and played all four years here? Never maybe?

Mahoney is the only one I can think of during the Rahe era

Sure. But not a Rahe recruit. I’d like to know a Rahe recruit.

There isn't a Rahe recruit. Hansen was a JC transfer. Actually, I can't think of one that has stayed more than two years.

 

[n.ogdencat]

When was the last time a RM came to WSU, and played all four years here? Never maybe?

Mahoney is the only one I can think of during the Rahe era

Sure. But not a Rahe recruit. I’d like to know a Rahe recruit.

There isn't a Rahe recruit. Hansen was a JC transfer. Actually, I can't think of one that has stayed more than two years.

Dusty Baker

 

[WSUfan1]

When was the last time a RM came to WSU, and played all four years here? Never maybe?

Mahoney is the only one I can think of during the Rahe era

Sure. But not a Rahe recruit. I’d like to know a Rahe recruit.

There isn't a Rahe recruit. Hansen was a JC transfer. Actually, I can't think of one that has stayed more than two years.

Dusty Baker

Four year recruit Tal. Dusty came here as a soph.

 

[WSUfan1]

Also, Rahe treats instate recruits like instate opponents. He doesn’t give a rats behind about either. His attitude towards players and games says a lot.

 

[DeeScott]

Also, Rahe treats instate recruits like instate opponents. He doesn’t give a rats behind about either. His attitude towards players and games says a lot.

Why did he recruit RIley Court and Spencer Johnson then?