UNC gets votes in latest college insider mid-major poll

[jjjj]

It's nice to see the turnaround the team made once conference play started. They finally got a little love:

1. St. Mary's (26) 17-3 768 1 West Coast
2. Cleveland State (2) 18-3 704 2 Horizon League
3. Missouri State (3) 16-4 655 3 Missouri Valley
4. Wichita State 16-4 627 6 Missouri Valley
5. VCU 15-5 569 4 Colonial Athletic
6. George Mason 14-5 543 5 Colonial Athletic
7. Harvard 13-3 532 7 Ivy League
8. Coastal Carolina 18-2 529 8 Big South
9. Oakland 14-8 502 9 Summit League
10. Gonzaga 13-7 487 11 West Coast
11. Old Dominion 14-5 481 13 Colonial Athletic
12. Butler 14-7 480 12 Horizon League
13. Belmont 18-3 467 16 Atlantic Sun
14. Montana 15-5 324 14 Big Sky
15. North Texas 16-4 270 15 Sun Belt
16. Portland 14-6 231 18 West Coast
17. College of Charleston 14-6 224 17 Southern
18. Fairfield 15-4 223 20 Metro Atlantic
19. Ball State 13-4 173 10 Mid-American
20. Princeton 12-4 169 24 Ivy League
21. James Madison 15-5 164 21 Colonial Athletic
22. Valparaiso 15-6 128 NR Horizon League
23. Hofstra 13-6 124 22 Colonial Athletic
24. Drexel 12-6 89 NR Colonial Athletic
25. Iona 13-7 79 23 Metro Atlantic

OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES: Northern Iowa 78, Wright State 72, Florida Atlantic 69, Indiana State 47, Furman 45, Hampton 43, Long Island 39, Bucknell 24, Creighton 24, Maine 16, Wofford 16, Vermont 12, American 10, South Dakota State 10, Long Beach State 8, Kent State 7, Buffalo 5, Northern Colorado 4, Akron 2, Columbia 1, East Tennessee State 1

 

[Brian]

With such a horrific start I was really worried about that Bracket Buster tournament. This is nice to see.

 

[Blofeld]

And Montana is 14th even though we worked them so I don't give this poll much credability. :lol:

 

[Brian]

And Montana is 14th even though we worked them so I don't give this poll much credability. :lol:

Montana had a much better non-conference run than we did. They even beat UCLA and Oregon State.

 

[beardevil39]

We were very close to winning a few more early season games and if we keep winning and beat Moontana on the road , we will be in there

 

[mtgrizfankb1]

UNC is good im not going to pretend they are not. but Montana had a much more impressive pre conf. season. and you have not played anyone good on the road yet. my guess is you and montana will prob drop atleast 1-3 games still this year. leaving WSU,UNC,MT are all going to fighting to host the tourney. IT could be huge since yall play so well at home.

 

[anon22]

UNC is good im not going to pretend they are not. but Montana had a much more impressive pre conf. season. and you have not played anyone good on the road yet. my guess is you and montana will prob drop atleast 1-3 games still this year. leaving WSU,UNC,MT are all going to fighting to host the tourney. IT could be huge since yall play so well at home.

Umm, aside from Portland & UCLA, who again did Montana play that is acutally above .500?

The combined records of all non-conf teams Montana has faced this year is 103-109.

That "weak" UNC non-conference schedule is a combined 137-86 so far this year. Your Griz's most formidable opponent this year was UCLA and, albeit it was a win its not quite like going on the road to play at Arizona or Illinois. Heck, even a neutral site matchup with Valpo might be up there. Please go back and do your research before you post that crap on our message board again. Thanks.

 

[WILDCAT]

UNC is good im not going to pretend they are not. but Montana had a much more impressive pre conf. season. and you have not played anyone good on the road yet. my guess is you and montana will prob drop atleast 1-3 games still this year. leaving WSU,UNC,MT are all going to fighting to host the tourney. IT could be huge since yall play so well at home.

Umm, aside from Portland & UCLA, who again did Montana play that is acutally above .500?

The combined records of all non-conf teams Montana has faced this year is 103-109.

That "weak" UNC non-conference schedule is a combined 137-86 so far this year. Your Griz's most formidable opponent this year was UCLA and, albeit it was a win its not quite like going on the road to play at Arizona or Illinois. Heck, even a neutral site matchup with Valpo might be up there. Please go back and do your research before you post that crap on our message board again. Thanks.

Maybe before you crucify the guy you should try reading his comment a little better, he didnt say your schedule was "weak" he was saying Montana performed BETTER than UNC did during the OOC schedule. UNC went 4-7 in the ooc while Montana went 8-4 in ooc. Thats why Montana is getting more love. They won in the ooc part of the season, UNC not so much

 

[gobears2010]

Maybe before you crucify the guy you should try reading his comment a little better, he didnt say your schedule was "weak" he was saying Montana performed BETTER than UNC did during the OOC schedule. UNC went 4-7 in the ooc while Montana went 8-4 in ooc. Thats why Montana is getting more love. They won in the ooc part of the season, UNC not so much

There's a reason I've heard both of our former and current head coaches refer to the non-conference portion of the schedule as "the preseason." It doesn't really matter once conference play starts.

 

[anon22]

UNC is good im not going to pretend they are not. but Montana had a much more impressive pre conf. season. and you have not played anyone good on the road yet. my guess is you and montana will prob drop atleast 1-3 games still this year. leaving WSU,UNC,MT are all going to fighting to host the tourney. IT could be huge since yall play so well at home.

Umm, aside from Portland & UCLA, who again did Montana play that is acutally above .500?

The combined records of all non-conf teams Montana has faced this year is 103-109.

That "weak" UNC non-conference schedule is a combined 137-86 so far this year. Your Griz's most formidable opponent this year was UCLA and, albeit it was a win its not quite like going on the road to play at Arizona or Illinois. Heck, even a neutral site matchup with Valpo might be up there. Please go back and do your research before you post that crap on our message board again. Thanks.

Maybe before you crucify the guy you should try reading his comment a little better, he didnt say your schedule was "weak" he was saying Montana performed BETTER than UNC did during the OOC schedule. UNC went 4-7 in the ooc while Montana went 8-4 in ooc. Thats why Montana is getting more love. They won in the ooc part of the season, UNC not so much

Sorry but despite the 8-4 ooc record for Montana, I still don't find it as impressive when 6 of the 8 wins are against Idaho (twice), Cal State Fullerton (twice), Montana Tech, and Great Falls. Granted UNC's 4 ooc wins came against sub-.500 teams or NAIA schools, but the ooc teams that they lost to were much better than those that Montana played. To Blofeld's point, I can't give the poll much credibility when Montana is ranked higher than Portland, even though Portland beat the Griz in their own building this year.

 

[Brian]

In basketball anyone can beat anyone (for the most part) on any given day. Just because Duke loses to Florida State and Florida State loses to Virginia tech it doesn't mean Virginia Tech is better than Duke. I am not saying Montana is better than UNC I am just saying if I looked at UM's overall schedule and results, I can see why they are ranked higher. It will all work out in the end.

 

[WSUnPurple1]

In reading this thread I can't help but think that some of you gals just started following college basketball recently? Am I right? Brian gets it, but I don't know about some of you other gals.

The Mid-Major polls and pre-season ooc record does matter. Because of NoCo Record, and let's say you win the conf. Tourney the Bears as a #16 Seed could easily have to play in the dreaded play- In game, then a #1 Seed back East.
Where as a #12 Seed like Weber in '03 or Montana in '02 I think?? you have a chance to actually knock somebody off, like Weber did in '95 vs. Michigan State, and again in '99 vs. North Carolina, both as a 14 Seed. Weber won 17 in a row leading up to the NCAA's to get that #12 seed.

 

[ClarkWGrizwald]

Your Griz's most formidable opponent this year was UCLA and, albeit it was a win its not quite like going on the road to play at Arizona

Are you serious?? You believe it's substantially tougher to go into McKale and get a win than it is Pauley?? Either way, I KNOW it's more difficult to go into Pauley and blow UCLA out of the building than it is to lose at Arizona by 25. By comparing those results you believe you're actually strengthening your argument? Huh.


Wow. I agree with Purple. Some of you must be paying attention to college basketball for the first time. Yes, the non-conference schedule DOES matter. It matters in things like seeding and...ohh... POLLS, which incidentally is exactly what this thread is about. Like it or not, admit it or not, Montana's non-conference results far exceeded those of UNC. When you only win 2 DI games in the noncon schedule, you're just not gonna get a great deal of love from pollsters.

And I'm sorry. But comparing the Griz blow-out win in Pauley to a 15 point, neutral site loss to VALPO!!! OMG, that's one of the funniest damn things I've ever read. :lol: :lol:

 

[Beardown]

Your Griz's most formidable opponent this year was UCLA and, albeit it was a win its not quite like going on the road to play at Arizona

Are you serious?? You believe it's substantially tougher to go into McKale and get a win than it is Pauley?? Either way, I KNOW it's more difficult to go into Pauley and blow UCLA out of the building than it is to lose at Arizona by 25. By comparing those results you believe you're actually strengthening your argument? Huh.


Wow. I agree with Purple. Some of you must be paying attention to college basketball for the first time. Yes, the non-conference schedule DOES matter. It matters in things like seeding and...ohh... POLLS, which incidentally is exactly what this thread is about. Like it or not, admit it or not, Montana's non-conference results far exceeded those of UNC. When you only win 2 DI games in the noncon schedule, you're just not gonna get a great deal of love from pollsters.

We had literally 6 players healthy during our non-conference games.
And I'm sorry. But comparing the Griz blow-out win in Pauley to a 15 point, neutral site loss to VALPO!!! OMG, that's one of the funniest damn things I've ever read. :lol: :lol:

 

[ClarkWGrizwald]

Griz have had a ton of injury problems as well.

Doesn't change the results, though. Pollsters don't care if you have to wheel cots out there to try to play on. They care about results: Montana got them; UNC did not. Not hard to figure, people....


Valpo.... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Bearsfan24]

Griz have had a ton of injury problems as well.

Doesn't change the results, though. Pollsters don't care if you have to wheel cots out there to try to play on. They care about results: Montana got them; UNC did not. Not hard to figure, people....


Valpo.... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Valpo is actually pretty good team, they're 18-6 or something like that. Plus they have a higer RPI ranking than Montana, and only a few below UCLA. Valpo is at 55, and UCLA is at 47, and Arizona has a RPI ranking of 22. Might wanna do some research before you start running your mouth.

 

[ClarkWGrizwald]

Griz have had a ton of injury problems as well.

Doesn't change the results, though. Pollsters don't care if you have to wheel cots out there to try to play on. They care about results: Montana got them; UNC did not. Not hard to figure, people....


Valpo.... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Valpo is actually pretty good team, they're 18-6 or something like that. Plus they have a higer RPI ranking than Montana, and only a few below UCLA. Valpo is at 55, and UCLA is at 47, and Arizona has a RPI ranking of 22. Might wanna do some research before you start running your mouth.

Yes, Valpo is a very good team. So is Arizona. And today, the price of tea in China is 30 Yuan an ounce.

No one is saying UNC didn't play a good noncon schedule. They did. Problem is, the didn't WIN any of those games. Montana played a good noncon schedule, and DID win them. Comparing the Grizzlies going to UCLA and blowing them out of their own building with huge UNC losses to similar teams does NOT -- in any way, shape or form -- strengthen the argument that UNC should be ranked ahead of Montana in the Mid Major poll.

And if you're still comparing a win in Pauley to a huge loss to Valpo at a neutral site, well.... :lol:

 

[4thegame]

It appears that the non con schedule is about the only thing that does matter because we stomped you guys and you're still ranked ahead of us.

 

[ClarkWGrizwald]

It appears that the non con schedule is about the only thing that does matter because we stomped you guys and you're still ranked ahead of us.

Yes, and you're also behind us in the standings, and still have to come to Missoula. You know, Purple was 100% accurate. You guys really DON'T understand how any of this works, do you? If only head to head match-ups count in the polls, can one of you please explain to me why Texas is ranked behind Kansas?

 

[beardevil39]

Sorry fellow Bear fans but ,(I hate to have to say this) everettgriz is correct and we will have to beat Montana at their place to quantify any rating status!! Go Bears