Uninspired Football

[Eaglefanatical]

Honest question? Does anyone think we can beat Fordham next week?

We will be lucky to win 3 games this season.

 

[FormerEag]

Are in completely over their heads. Two games in a row where the team looks completely unprepared to play. And just as bad, the players don't look motivated whatsoever. What's going on in the locker room?

I mean what else should they have done? Chuck it all over the yard? Guys were dropping passes that hit them in the chest and the GG was absolutely all over the place. Give this staff a little time and a few games against teams that aren't in the Big 12 or whose down year in the past half decade just means they didn't win the national championship for once.

Maybe we aren't a semi final team this year. I admit, I didn't think there would be much of a drop off coming into this season. But obviously time takes time. Let's see where things are in October at least.

goeags

 

[ewusigep252]

In the back of my mind through spring and summer ball, I wondered just how accurate the reports were on Gubrud's struggles. It appears that they were spot on. Something is not right with him. Whether he is injured, or the lack of Troy Taylor and Beau Baldwin has exposed him to be a merely average/serviceable quarterback, is unknown.

The drop off from Baldwin/Taylor to Best/Reeder has been much more severe than anyone thought as well. The play calling so far has been uninspired, and it is very apparent that the offensive staff does not trust Gubrud to execute.

I think Gubrud will get one more shot at Fordham. If he continues to struggle, it could be time to let Barriere have his shot. He will have his struggles as a freshman, but he brings the same mobility as Gubrud, but with a better arm and accuracy. There was a reason he was a prized recruit. As far as the play calling, we need to stop trying to reach some arbitrary play balance. This team is built for the passing game. Why try to force a square peg into a round hole? If Best wants a more balanced team, he's gonna need a year or two to build it in that image.

 

[kalm]

Optimistic things can come together. I'm just discouraged by the apparent lack of effort. This coming from an admitted Monday morning QB.

Here's a major problem... We never give ourselves a chance to soften up the opposition to get things going in the right direction.

While we travelled to Texas Tech, North Dakota State was crushing Mississippi Valley State.

While we are playing NDSU, our next opponent is playing Central Connecticut.

While we travel 2,500 miles to Fordham, Montana is warming up with Savannah State.

We have no outs. It's balls to the wall every week. If we're struggling, there's no opportunity to work through the problems. I think we have talent, but we aren't given an opportunity to pull it all together.

Again, you're point is meaningless until we have the gate to schedule like NDSU and Montana.

And how has Montana's superior scheduling worked out for them over the past few years?

 

[FormerEag]

In the back of my mind through spring and summer ball, I wondered just how accurate the reports were on Gubrud's struggles. It appears that they were spot on. Something is not right with him. Whether he is injured, or the lack of Troy Taylor and Beau Baldwin has exposed him to be a merely average/serviceable quarterback, is unknown.

The drop off from Baldwin/Taylor to Best/Reeder has been much more severe than anyone thought as well. The play calling so far has been uninspired, and it is very apparent that the offensive staff does not trust Gubrud to execute.

I think Gubrud will get one more shot at Fordham. If he continues to struggle, it could be time to let Barriere have his shot. He will have his struggles as a freshman, but he brings the same mobility as Gubrud, but with a better arm and accuracy. There was a reason he was a prized recruit. As far as the play calling, we need to stop trying to reach some arbitrary play balance. This team is built for the passing game. Why try to force a square peg into a round hole? If Best wants a more balanced team, he's gonna need a year or two to build it in that image.

I truly don't understand this argument. GG was 10/30 with 2 INTs (should have been more) today. Receivers couldn't catch a cold. Why on earth would anyone think that throwing the ball more would help us?

:wall:

 

[kalm]

In the back of my mind through spring and summer ball, I wondered just how accurate the reports were on Gubrud's struggles. It appears that they were spot on. Something is not right with him. Whether he is injured, or the lack of Troy Taylor and Beau Baldwin has exposed him to be a merely average/serviceable quarterback, is unknown.

The drop off from Baldwin/Taylor to Best/Reeder has been much more severe than anyone thought as well. The play calling so far has been uninspired, and it is very apparent that the offensive staff does not trust Gubrud to execute.

I think Gubrud will get one more shot at Fordham. If he continues to struggle, it could be time to let Barriere have his shot. He will have his struggles as a freshman, but he brings the same mobility as Gubrud, but with a better arm and accuracy. There was a reason he was a prized recruit. As far as the play calling, we need to stop trying to reach some arbitrary play balance. This team is built for the passing game. Why try to force a square peg into a round hole? If Best wants a more balanced team, he's gonna need a year or two to build it in that image.

This. :nod:

Unless Gage has quit going to practices and is shooting meth behind the dumpster at the Beehive (that's still open, right?) he's the guy.

How quickly everyone shelves what he did in 2016. It was literally one of the best seasons at QB in the history of FCS.

 

[LDopaPDX]

Optimistic things can come together. I'm just discouraged by the apparent lack of effort. This coming from an admitted Monday morning QB.

Here's a major problem... We never give ourselves a chance to soften up the opposition to get things going in the right direction.

While we travelled to Texas Tech, North Dakota State was crushing Mississippi Valley State.

While we are playing NDSU, our next opponent is playing Central Connecticut.

While we travel 2,500 miles to Fordham, Montana is warming up with Savannah State.

We have no outs. It's balls to the wall every week. If we're struggling, there's no opportunity to work through the problems. I think we have talent, but we aren't given an opportunity to pull it all together.

Again, you're point is meaningless until we have the gate to schedule like NDSU and Montana.

And how has Montana's superior scheduling worked out for them over the past few years?

Dude, you're arguing with yourself. Our schedule is crap. It's especially crap for a relatively young team and a new coaching staff. When Sac State, North Dakota, and Southern Utah (all with smaller average attendances than us) get home/home arrangements with Incarnate Word, Missouri State, and SFA, it is unthinkable that we can't do the same. Not only can we not get home/homes with these more beatable teams, we can't even get home games in return with Fordham.

We're 0-2 and it didn't have to be this way. This could be a repeat of 2011 and 2008 when we scheduled ourselves into oblivion. We don't need to do it, yet it still happens. Blaming it on our AD's inability to fundraise for a new stadium is a diversion tactic. Other teams in worse situations find ways to do it. Yes, the stadium (and the gate receipts) is an issue... One we've all beat to death. But it isn't an issue for other teams and it shouldn't be for us.

 

[EWURanger]

In the back of my mind through spring and summer ball, I wondered just how accurate the reports were on Gubrud's struggles. It appears that they were spot on. Something is not right with him. Whether he is injured, or the lack of Troy Taylor and Beau Baldwin has exposed him to be a merely average/serviceable quarterback, is unknown.

The drop off from Baldwin/Taylor to Best/Reeder has been much more severe than anyone thought as well. The play calling so far has been uninspired, and it is very apparent that the offensive staff does not trust Gubrud to execute.

I think Gubrud will get one more shot at Fordham. If he continues to struggle, it could be time to let Barriere have his shot. He will have his struggles as a freshman, but he brings the same mobility as Gubrud, but with a better arm and accuracy. There was a reason he was a prized recruit. As far as the play calling, we need to stop trying to reach some arbitrary play balance. This team is built for the passing game. Why try to force a square peg into a round hole? If Best wants a more balanced team, he's gonna need a year or two to build it in that image.

I truly don't understand this argument. GG was 10/30 with 2 INTs (should have been more) today. Receivers couldn't catch a cold. Why on earth would anyone think that throwing the ball more would help us?

:wall:

Have to agree. I don't think need to throw more, necessarily. We just need to execute better when we do. I'm ok with the balance.

 

[clawman1]

Optimistic things can come together. I'm just discouraged by the apparent lack of effort. This coming from an admitted Monday morning QB.

Here's a major problem... We never give ourselves a chance to soften up the opposition to get things going in the right direction.

While we travelled to Texas Tech, North Dakota State was crushing Mississippi Valley State.

While we are playing NDSU, our next opponent is playing Central Connecticut.

While we travel 2,500 miles to Fordham, Montana is warming up with Savannah State.

We have no outs. It's balls to the wall every week. If we're struggling, there's no opportunity to work through the problems. I think we have talent, but we aren't given an opportunity to pull it all together.

Again, you're point is meaningless until we have the gate to schedule like NDSU and Montana.

And how has Montana's superior scheduling worked out for them over the past few years?

Dude, you're arguing with yourself. Our schedule is crap. It's especially crap for a relatively young team and a new coaching staff. When Sac State, North Dakota, and Southern Utah (all with smaller average attendances than us) get home/home arrangements with Incarnate Word, Missouri State, and SFA, it is unthinkable that we can't do the same. Not only can we not get home/homes with these more beatable teams, we can't even get home games in return with Fordham.

We're 0-2 and it didn't have to be this way. This could be a repeat of 2011 and 2008 when we scheduled ourselves into oblivion. We don't need to do it, yet it still happens. Blaming it on our AD's inability to fundraise for a new stadium is a diversion tactic. Other teams in worse situations find ways to do it. Yes, the stadium (and the gate receipts) is an issue... One we've all beat to death. But it isn't an issue for other teams and it shouldn't be for us.

Wrong again!! scheduling will not make receivers catch balls, scheduling will not make DBs and linebackers wrap up and tackle correctly, or make our QB make simple throws. Scheduling will not create basic fundamentals. The problem is not scheduling the problem is players just not doing their job!

 

[Eags12]

Meanwhile, Montana is getting blasted 56-7 by UW. Their offense hasn't scored any points.

 

[clawman1]

Honest question? Does anyone think we can beat Fordham next week?

We will be lucky to win 3 games this season.

9/16/2017 Fordham - w
9/23/2017 Montana - w
9/30/2017 Sacramento State - w
10/7/2017 UC Davis - w
10/14/2017 Montana State - w
10/21/2017 Southern Utah - w
11/4/2017 Weber State - L
11/11/2017 North Dakota - L
11/18/2017 Portland State - L
Weber could be a win because it is at home, but Montana could be a loss in their house. IMO 7 wins is best case scenario

 

[LDopaPDX]

Optimistic things can come together. I'm just discouraged by the apparent lack of effort. This coming from an admitted Monday morning QB.

Here's a major problem... We never give ourselves a chance to soften up the opposition to get things going in the right direction.

While we travelled to Texas Tech, North Dakota State was crushing Mississippi Valley State.

While we are playing NDSU, our next opponent is playing Central Connecticut.

While we travel 2,500 miles to Fordham, Montana is warming up with Savannah State.

We have no outs. It's balls to the wall every week. If we're struggling, there's no opportunity to work through the problems. I think we have talent, but we aren't given an opportunity to pull it all together.

Again, you're point is meaningless until we have the gate to schedule like NDSU and Montana.

And how has Montana's superior scheduling worked out for them over the past few years?

Dude, you're arguing with yourself. Our schedule is crap. It's especially crap for a relatively young team and a new coaching staff. When Sac State, North Dakota, and Southern Utah (all with smaller average attendances than us) get home/home arrangements with Incarnate Word, Missouri State, and SFA, it is unthinkable that we can't do the same. Not only can we not get home/homes with these more beatable teams, we can't even get home games in return with Fordham.

We're 0-2 and it didn't have to be this way. This could be a repeat of 2011 and 2008 when we scheduled ourselves into oblivion. We don't need to do it, yet it still happens. Blaming it on our AD's inability to fundraise for a new stadium is a diversion tactic. Other teams in worse situations find ways to do it. Yes, the stadium (and the gate receipts) is an issue... One we've all beat to death. But it isn't an issue for other teams and it shouldn't be for us.

Wrong again!! scheduling will not make receivers catch balls, scheduling will not make DBs and linebackers wrap up and tackle correctly, or make our QB make simple throws. Scheduling will not create basic fundamentals. The problem is not scheduling the problem is players just not doing their job!

Well, I'll agree with you in that our receivers are playing absolutely terrible. However, take that thought a little further... If you go back a year, Sblendorio and Stiles were making catches in traffic and winning contested balls. Now they can't catch it when it hits their hands. What changed?

I think it's a stretch to think they just somehow went from good receivers to bad receivers, and I think it's a stretch to think somehow theyre being coached to drop balls. The difference is confidence. We got rocked last week and got nothing from the game. We got ripped this week and got nothing from the game. It would really help to have a cupcake in there to let us get things together.

Fordham isn't a great team and we should be able to get it going against them. The scary part is we enter the game in a bad spot and a long ways from home.

 

[marceagfan5]

Optimistic things can come together. I'm just discouraged by the apparent lack of effort. This coming from an admitted Monday morning QB.

Here's a major problem... We never give ourselves a chance to soften up the opposition to get things going in the right direction.

While we travelled to Texas Tech, North Dakota State was crushing Mississippi Valley State.

While we are playing NDSU, our next opponent is playing Central Connecticut.

While we travel 2,500 miles to Fordham, Montana is warming up with Savannah State.

We have no outs. It's balls to the wall every week. If we're struggling, there's no opportunity to work through the problems. I think we have talent, but we aren't given an opportunity to pull it all together.

Again, you're point is meaningless until we have the gate to schedule like NDSU and Montana.

And how has Montana's superior scheduling worked out for them over the past few years?

The crappier teams in the big sky routinely get better games than we do. It's not just the montanas and the NDSUs. It's also worked out pretty damn well for ndsu the past 6 years, and Montana the 20 years before NDSUs run...

I guess just answer this. How can it be that we are the third highest drawing team for support in the big sky (top 25 in the FCS), but every year we have the worst or 2nd worst schedule? Some how the mvsus and incarnate words will go to other big sky schools but not us....

 

[marceagfan5]

Optimistic things can come together. I'm just discouraged by the apparent lack of effort. This coming from an admitted Monday morning QB.

Here's a major problem... We never give ourselves a chance to soften up the opposition to get things going in the right direction.

While we travelled to Texas Tech, North Dakota State was crushing Mississippi Valley State.

While we are playing NDSU, our next opponent is playing Central Connecticut.

While we travel 2,500 miles to Fordham, Montana is warming up with Savannah State.

We have no outs. It's balls to the wall every week. If we're struggling, there's no opportunity to work through the problems. I think we have talent, but we aren't given an opportunity to pull it all together.

Again, you're point is meaningless until we have the gate to schedule like NDSU and Montana.

And how has Montana's superior scheduling worked out for them over the past few years?

Dude, you're arguing with yourself. Our schedule is crap. It's especially crap for a relatively young team and a new coaching staff. When Sac State, North Dakota, and Southern Utah (all with smaller average attendances than us) get home/home arrangements with Incarnate Word, Missouri State, and SFA, it is unthinkable that we can't do the same. Not only can we not get home/homes with these more beatable teams, we can't even get home games in return with Fordham.

We're 0-2 and it didn't have to be this way. This could be a repeat of 2011 and 2008 when we scheduled ourselves into oblivion. We don't need to do it, yet it still happens. Blaming it on our AD's inability to fundraise for a new stadium is a diversion tactic. Other teams in worse situations find ways to do it. Yes, the stadium (and the gate receipts) is an issue... One we've all beat to death. But it isn't an issue for other teams and it shouldn't be for us.

Wrong again!! scheduling will not make receivers catch balls, scheduling will not make DBs and linebackers wrap up and tackle correctly, or make our QB make simple throws. Scheduling will not create basic fundamentals. The problem is not scheduling the problem is players just not doing their job!

Claw

I'd argue dopa is spot on and you are wrong. Playing a shitty team this week would have allowed us to work out the issues you stated above, play bad and still win, and gain confidence. Instead we are 0-2 and have to travel 6000 miles next week followed by a road trip to the toughest place to play in the FCS.

 

[MLEagle]

I lay a lot of this right at the feet of Gage. He was expected to lead this team and offense, and he has been awful. Today he went 10 for 30 with 2 picks!!! Don't get me wrong, the receivers have been dropping the ball like crazy, but Gage has been horribly inaccurate. 8 quarters of football have shown that something is wrong with Gage, and we will have a tough time winning any game with QB play like we have gotten so far.

 

[tomq04]

I lay a lot of this right at the feet of Gage. He was expected to lead this team and offense, and he has been awful. Today he went 10 for 30 with 2 picks!!! Don't get me wrong, the receivers have been dropping the ball like crazy, but Gage has been horribly inaccurate. 8 quarters of football have shown that something is wrong with Gage, and we will have a tough time winning any game with QB play like we have gotten so far.

I disagree that there is something wrong with him physically. There is something missing from the whole offense, confidence. I counted at least 5 easy drop balls (in the hands or chest) that would have moved the chains on 3rd down. GG can't trust the receivers and apparently the receivers aren't trusting themselves. EB3 is not the answer in my opinion, but I would be interested to have him get a shot.

 

[kalm]

Optimistic things can come together. I'm just discouraged by the apparent lack of effort. This coming from an admitted Monday morning QB.

Here's a major problem... We never give ourselves a chance to soften up the opposition to get things going in the right direction.

While we travelled to Texas Tech, North Dakota State was crushing Mississippi Valley State.

While we are playing NDSU, our next opponent is playing Central Connecticut.

While we travel 2,500 miles to Fordham, Montana is warming up with Savannah State.

We have no outs. It's balls to the wall every week. If we're struggling, there's no opportunity to work through the problems. I think we have talent, but we aren't given an opportunity to pull it all together.

Again, you're point is meaningless until we have the gate to schedule like NDSU and Montana.

And how has Montana's superior scheduling worked out for them over the past few years?

Dude, you're arguing with yourself. Our schedule is crap. It's especially crap for a relatively young team and a new coaching staff. When Sac State, North Dakota, and Southern Utah (all with smaller average attendances than us) get home/home arrangements with Incarnate Word, Missouri State, and SFA, it is unthinkable that we can't do the same. Not only can we not get home/homes with these more beatable teams, we can't even get home games in return with Fordham.

We're 0-2 and it didn't have to be this way. This could be a repeat of 2011 and 2008 when we scheduled ourselves into oblivion. We don't need to do it, yet it still happens. Blaming it on our AD's inability to fundraise for a new stadium is a diversion tactic. Other teams in worse situations find ways to do it. Yes, the stadium (and the gate receipts) is an issue... One we've all beat to death. But it isn't an issue for other teams and it shouldn't be for us.

Good points regarding Sac, UND, and SUU. UNC has also been able to schedule home and homes with the Southland. You're most legitimate beef is a lack of home and homes. If it boiled down to a choice between a one-off with Fordham and home and home with a Houston Baptist, I'd agree. I'm just not all that sure we're given that choice very often.

 

[luckyintheorder]

Fans aren't going to fix this. Plenty of talent in this team, this is coaching plain and simple. They have a lot to overcome. Putting hope aside and preparing to take the lumps all these coaching changes and inexperience have in store the remainder of the season. No predictions on when this may turn around. Gotta say, missing Hennessey.

 

[Obzerver]

In post game interview Best said..it's not about who we don't have but who we do have..as far as next week and beyond. That's what he's suppose to say and I'm sure he believes that. I on the other hand am just a fan with limited football knowledge. I don't see how next man up replaces a 6'5 WR who was a bright star and is now gone..or a bright star DB in Webster gone...did we have a 260 NT going up against those monsters on OLine ?..all that and more. Next man up can also go for replacing coaches...tough order to fill right there. With that said I believe we'll get that Fordham win and after watching UW/Montana game we can snatch a win in Missoula..get to 2-2. We have the players from great recruiting classes lurking around somewhere so that's a good thing. I hate this schedule more than the neighbors dog who shits in my yard everyday and I hate those bleachers as much as I do the neighbor who shits in my yard beside his dog.

 

[kalm]

In post game interview Best said..it's not about who we don't have but who we do have..as far as next week and beyond. That's what he's suppose to say and I'm sure he believes that. I on the other hand am just a fan with limited football knowledge. I don't see how next man up replaces a 6'5 WR who was a bright star and is now gone..or a bright star DB in Webster gone...did we have a 260 NT going up against those monsters on OLine ?..all that and more. Next man up can also go for replacing coaches...tough order to fill right there. With that said I believe we'll get that Fordham win and after watching UW/Montana game we can snatch a win in Missoula..get to 2-2. We have the players from great recruiting classes lurking around somewhere so that's a good thing. I hate this schedule more than the neighbors dog who shits in my yard everyday and I hate those bleachers as much as I do the neighbor who shits in my yard beside his dog.

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