UNLV **Dropping WSU Football?**

[WeberSki]

**Topic moved to Other WSU Topics/Smack Talk forum as it has nothing to do with the basketball game at UNLV** - Bobandwaldo

Does any body know if we got a home and away with UNLV? Will they be here next year? I just got thinking with another DII tonight Montana Tech it's hard to get excited for. Western State was enough, essentially 4 exhibition games (Colo christian, Colo springs) at home. YAWN. I know it's even more difficult to schedule with budget cuts, but it would sure be nice, even if we had 2 away and 1 home to see how we would compete with some big boys, and start to build some more exitement around the program. I know it's unpopular, but if we could cut the football program and put our resources to bball we would be better off. If your not a fan of Weber you don't even know what the FCS is. Look at it this way Weber football to others is what Utah Valley,Westminster,SlCC bbal is to us. Montana fans would probably rather be 5-6 in the WAC than be National champs in the FCS. The only reason we should keep the football program is if we could get into the FBS within the next 10 years if that's not realistic let's drop it and put our resources into bball, and become something special, and be able to pay enough to keep Rahe here in Ogden.

 

[weberwildcat]

ill have to disagree with the dis's to our footbal team, program, and conference, and the FCS...but,


as for the 2-for-1, i would have to agree, i do not like this and i would doubt our coaches would want to do this but it would be very cool to get a bigger team to come to ogden for a game (and then lose to us). look at our attendance for usu or utah had it been a saturday.

ISU did a 3 for 1 with Wazzu. When Wazzu came to ISU they were #10 in the nation. It was a pretty cool game, i even made the 2 hour drive up to the game. I even saw byu's starting center at the game (dont tell any one but it was a sunday).

3 for 1 is a bit much but 2 for 1 would be ok once in a while.

I'd love to see UNLV come to WSU, that is if they already aren't next year. When was the last big school to come to ogden?

and please don't anyone say Purdue, lol!!!

Nevada last game in 2003 and we beat them. Other than the instate teams I can't recall the last big game. And boise and long beach doesn't count for me.

i'd love to see a 1 and 1 with new mexico state, nevada, boise, san diego st, unlv, idaho, fresno, colorado st, colorado, wyo, gonzaga.

2 for 1 i'd love to play any pac 10 or big 12. just cant be a mtn west or wac.

 

[ajwildcat]

Does any body know if we got a home and away with UNLV? Will they be here next year? I just got thinking with another DII tonight Montana Tech it's hard to get excited for. Western State was enough, essentially 4 exhibition games (Colo christian, Colo springs) at home. YAWN. I know it's even more difficult to schedule with budget cuts, but it would sure be nice, even if we had 2 away and 1 home to see how we would compete with some big boys, and start to build some more exitement around the program. I know it's unpopular, but if we could cut the football program and put our resources to bball we would be better off. If your not a fan of Weber you don't even know what the FCS is. Look at it this way Weber football to others is what Utah Valley,Westminster,SlCC bbal is to us. Montana fans would probably rather be 5-6 in the WAC than be National champs in the FCS. The only reason we should keep the football program is if we could get into the FBS within the next 10 years if that's not realistic let's drop it and put our resources into bball, and become something special, and be able to pay enough to keep Rahe here in Ogden.

You Sir are a Moron!! WSU basketball has done pretty damn good in the last 50 years so why in the HELL would you cut football? Talk like this really pisses me off!

 

[weberwildcat]

Also, WSU has no plans to make the lateral move to FBS, at least I've never heard any rumors.

 

[WeberSki]

Does any body know if we got a home and away with UNLV? Will they be here next year? I just got thinking with another DII tonight Montana Tech it's hard to get excited for. Western State was enough, essentially 4 exhibition games (Colo christian, Colo springs) at home. YAWN. I know it's even more difficult to schedule with budget cuts, but it would sure be nice, even if we had 2 away and 1 home to see how we would compete with some big boys, and start to build some more exitement around the program. I know it's unpopular, but if we could cut the football program and put our resources to bball we would be better off. If your not a fan of Weber you don't even know what the FCS is. Look at it this way Weber football to others is what Utah Valley,Westminster,SlCC bbal is to us. Montana fans would probably rather be 5-6 in the WAC than be National champs in the FCS. The only reason we should keep the football program is if we could get into the FBS within the next 10 years if that's not realistic let's drop it and put our resources into bball, and become something special, and be able to pay enough to keep Rahe here in Ogden.

You Sir are a Moron!! WSU basketball has done pretty damn good in the last 50 years so why in the HELL would you cut football? Talk like this really pisses me off!

Who's the fu**ing moron. Of course WSU basketball has done pretty damn well. I could argue the point that are program has been more successful than both BYU, and USU(NCAA Tounament). That's more the reason to scrap or football program, Reality nobody knows or cares what the FCS is. We should put or energy into bball and keeping Rahe in Ogden.$$$

 

[ajwildcat]

Does any body know if we got a home and away with UNLV? Will they be here next year? I just got thinking with another DII tonight Montana Tech it's hard to get excited for. Western State was enough, essentially 4 exhibition games (Colo christian, Colo springs) at home. YAWN. I know it's even more difficult to schedule with budget cuts, but it would sure be nice, even if we had 2 away and 1 home to see how we would compete with some big boys, and start to build some more exitement around the program. I know it's unpopular, but if we could cut the football program and put our resources to bball we would be better off. If your not a fan of Weber you don't even know what the FCS is. Look at it this way Weber football to others is what Utah Valley,Westminster,SlCC bbal is to us. Montana fans would probably rather be 5-6 in the WAC than be National champs in the FCS. The only reason we should keep the football program is if we could get into the FBS within the next 10 years if that's not realistic let's drop it and put our resources into bball, and become something special, and be able to pay enough to keep Rahe here in Ogden.

You Sir are a Moron!! WSU basketball has done pretty damn good in the last 50 years so why in the HELL would you cut football? Talk like this really pisses me off!

Who's the fu**ing moron. Of course WSU basketball has done pretty damn well. I could argue the point that are program has been more successful than both BYU, and USU(NCAA Tounament). That's more the reason to scrap or football program, Reality nobody knows or cares what FCS is. We should put or energy into bball and keeping Rahe in Ogden.$$$

you can't be serious, if you don't like football then go become a UVSC fan.

 

[weberwildcat]

Does any body know if we got a home and away with UNLV? Will they be here next year? I just got thinking with another DII tonight Montana Tech it's hard to get excited for. Western State was enough, essentially 4 exhibition games (Colo christian, Colo springs) at home. YAWN. I know it's even more difficult to schedule with budget cuts, but it would sure be nice, even if we had 2 away and 1 home to see how we would compete with some big boys, and start to build some more exitement around the program. I know it's unpopular, but if we could cut the football program and put our resources to bball we would be better off. If your not a fan of Weber you don't even know what the FCS is. Look at it this way Weber football to others is what Utah Valley,Westminster,SlCC bbal is to us. Montana fans would probably rather be 5-6 in the WAC than be National champs in the FCS. The only reason we should keep the football program is if we could get into the FBS within the next 10 years if that's not realistic let's drop it and put our resources into bball, and become something special, and be able to pay enough to keep Rahe here in Ogden.

You Sir are a Moron!! WSU basketball has done pretty damn good in the last 50 years so why in the HELL would you cut football? Talk like this really pisses me off!

Who's the fu**ing moron. Of course WSU basketball has done pretty damn well. I could argue the point that are program has been more successful than both BYU, and USU(NCAA Tounament). That's more the reason to scrap or football program, Reality nobody knows or cares what the FCS is. We should put or energy into bball and keeping Rahe in Ogden.$$$

y not do both? wsu may be poor but we can afford to do both. and dont speak for everyone that no one cares. you know, utah fball was a joke befor mac got hired. give him a chance.

scrapping the fball program and then what? we couldn't stay in the big sky with no football. should we join the conference uvu just got in that doenst even have an ncaa autobid? y would u want to be uvu, htey would do anything to jion the big sky and have an fcs fball team.

 

[Waldo2]

I disagree. Why not have both - a strong basketball and football program. In case you didn't notice, the football team has done quite well the past 2 years. It has turned the corner and will only get stronger.
Mac is the man!
Why be so short-sighted? You can have both programs be quality programs (as is currently the case) so why screw up a good thing?

Weber will be Big Sky Champs in both Football and Basketball in 2010!

 

[ajwildcat]

I disagree. Why not have both - a strong basketball and football program. In case you didn't notice, the football team has done quite well the past 2 years. It has turned the corner and will only get stronger.
Mac is the man!
Why be so short-sighted? You can have both programs be quality programs (as is currently the case) so why screw up a good thing?

Weber will be Big Sky Champs in both Football and Basketball in 2010!

AMEN brother!!

 

[PurpleBlood]

Dropping the football program would be a huge mistake! There are at least 75 FCS programs that should end before ours. Our goals should be to contend for a conference championship and make the playoffs every year and thats what we have done. Alot of money is being invested in our university to get more students on campus and Weber State is a fast growing university. Also Utah is a fast growing state and alot of money is being invested in Ogden. The point being that Universitys grow and change over time. You never know what will happen 20-30-40 years from now. Quite a few Bigsky teams have moved up the the FBS and it wouldnt surprise me if we did in 15 or 20 years but even if our program stays FCS the values far out weigh the cost. The only FCS teams to drop their programs in the last 2 years were Iona and NorthEastern and those teams had less than 1,000 to their games, we are not even close. Football is a huge part of the college experience and dropping it would be huge mistake when so many people care about the success of Weber State football. If we ever dropped the program I would immediately transfer out of Weber State.
Im pretty sure Randy Rahe said his loyalties are with Weber State. He is a stand up guy and I bet it would take alot for him leave. Also many consider us a midmajor powerhouse anyway. Our program is better, more accomplished and has a greater chance of going to the tourney than most the WAC and half of the MWC. I value everyones opinion, but talk like that is just ludacris. I do agree that one or two home games against the WAC or MWC would be nice. Just be glad we got the instate games.

 

[SWeberCat02]

As a season ticket holder, I do feel a little shortchanged playing Western St AND Montana Tech in the same year. Why isn't Weber playing Utah Valley every year? At least they're DI. And if Weber is going to play multiple lower division games, why not bring in Westminster and/or Dixie? At least you would have some added local interest with those teams.

 

[ajwildcat]

As a season ticket holder, I do feel a little shortchanged playing Western St AND Montana Tech in the same year. Why isn't Weber playing Utah Valley every year? At least they're DI. And if Weber is going to play multiple lower division games, why not bring in Westminster and/or Dixie? At least you would have some added local interest with those teams.

As a season ticket holder myself I also can't get excited about playing Western state and Montana tech, but if nobody will come here to Ogden to play you then what do you do? I do understand playing a D2 during finals week like tonight's game. But I really don't like seeing 2 D2's in the same year.
I do know that the coaching staff tried REALLY hard to get other teams to come in to Ogden but nobody wanted any part of that.

 

[WeberSki]

WCC does not have football, Gonzaga and St. Mary's just focus on what they do best basketball. If the economy continues to deteriorate maybe the Big Sky will do everybody a favor and drop Football. Montana could finally join the WAC or MWC and FBS they would have larger crowds than CSU,UNLV,Wyoming,USU,SJSU,NMSU,New Mexico,Idaho........ FCS, It's glorified Texas/Cali high school football guys. There was a poster on here a while back (Big Z) a Utah fan wanted to come up to a Weber game. He came to the Weber/MSU game, he commented on how lame the size of the crowd, how quiet the crowd was the whole game, hardly any tailgaiting,he was kind of blown away about the lack of support. This was a good weather game against a good opponent in a big conf. game.(around 6,000 fans) third in attendance behind ISU/Sac St. game. It just seems like such a waste for 5 flippin home games one of which is usually against Western State or some other DII, and 2 other games usually in November in the snow with 10 fans in the stands. I don't hate WSU football, I even went to the MSU and Sac St. games and was planning on the NAU game before the blizzard hit. If we are never going to go FBS we should just drop football and focus on keeping Randy Rahe in Ogden giving him more money for recruiting budgets and staff, and schedules and concentrate on filling the Dee with some pac 10 or Big 10 games once in a while. Michigan is in SLC against Utah for a game tonight for hells sake.

 

[ajwildcat]

WCC does not have football, Gonzaga and St. Mary's just focus on what they do best basketball. If the economy continues to deteriorate maybe the Big Sky will do everybody a favor and drop Football. Montana could finally join the WAC or MWC and FBS they would have larger crowds than CSU,UNLV,Wyoming,USU,SJSU,NMSU,New Mexico,Idaho........ FCS, It's glorified Texas/Cali high school football guys. There was a poster on here a while back (Big Z) a Utah fan wanted to come up to a Weber game. He came to the Weber/MSU game, he commented on how lame the size of the crowd, how quiet the crowd was the whole game, hardly any tailgaiting,he was kind of blown away about the lack of support. This was a good weather game against a good opponent in a big conf. game.(around 6,000 fans) third in attendance behind ISU/Sac St. game. It just seems like such a waste for 5 flippin home games one of which is usually against Western State or some other DII, and 2 other games usually in November in the snow with 10 fans in the stands. I don't hate WSU football, I even went to the MSU and Sac St. games and was planning on the NAU game before the blizzard hit. If we are never going to go FBS we should just drop football and focus on keeping Randy Rahe in Ogden giving him more money for recruiting budgets and staff, and schedules and concentrate on filling the Dee with some pac 10 or Big 10 games once in a while. Michigan is in SLC against Utah for a game tonight for hells sake.

You just don't get it. You want to see things improve then how about you donate some cash to the athletic department. here is a link to help you out. https://tkt.xosn.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=8600&KEY=&ATCLID=1354723

btw, Dropping WSU football=worst idea EVER!!

 

[PurpleBlood]

This guy is an Idiot! Who the hell is he to say we should drop football? Are you kidding me? Someone kick him off the form and tell him to enroll in UVU and cheer for BYU. The reason those teams dont have football is because they wouldnt have 7 to 8 thousand fans to a game like we do. We arent them, were totally different and there are people way smarter than you that have determined that. Most of those schools dont have basketball support anywhere near ours. Some sports fans actually like football and arent there because the game was hyped all week by the media and their are 50,000 fans. I like FCS football and would be very excited and stoked, like you wouldnt beleive if we were still in the playoffs. There was a time when college sports was about cheering on your team at your school. Then the media and ESPN went way over the top in promoting the bigger teams. Were getting 7-8 now imagine if the media got behind us and we did get some hype. We would be selling out every game. We need to focus on having a well rounded athletics program like Villanova or Northern Iowa. Dropping football wouldnt help and would set us way back! So stop typing negative things on this post and turn on the MTN network and watch BYU replays while your falling for all those Mountain West above the rest commercials. Our football team is average FBS talentwise anyway.

 

[n.ogdencat]

I've got to hand it to you Weberski, you definitely got the folks on this board talkin again. Heavens, its been kinda boring lately.

First off, I wouldn't mind a 2 for 1 kinda deal with UNLV. I'd love to get a chance at the Rebels on our home floor, besides it would be a good situation for the UNLV. They wouldn't have to travel far, and it would be a great way to measure their team by playing a tough Big Sky team. For us, and I know this is a stretch (our marketing sucks), it would get a lot of folks out to the game. Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure its a money game for the Cats, but I'm glad its close so that I can go see it.

As for the football debate. Granted, our football team has been desperate for conference acclaim in the past, but things are headed in the right direction. I'm a huge fan of Weber State athletics, and I love our football program, but it does suck a lot of money. The problem isn't with our athletic teams. They do their absolute best while operating under a ludicrous budget. The problem is with three things 1. The A Department (Where's Waldo you can try to explain what you are doing now to change that, I for one would like to know too), 2. WSUSA/SAA What the hell do they do? From what I've gathered and experienced just enough, at least SAA/PPAK does (which isn't very much, but its a lot more than WSUSA which is absolutely nothing), and 3. Community Support. Also, the damn administration keeps focusing far to much on how much they can get from the students, rather than viewing students as long term investments. A loyal student body will become life long supporters of their institution. PISSED OFF ONES WILL NEVER DONATE SHIZ!

For the anti-Football clan, it is a money maker (not in terms of selling seats or concessions, once again Marketing is piss poor) in terms of getting big time money games each year. YES, I know playing these games automatically kill our chances of getting into the playoffs, which creates longtime fans and supporters or a legitimate student crowd, but it does give us lots of cash. For instance, last year Weber got a quick 500K by playing Wyoming and Colorado St. Next year it should be a lot more since Weber will be playing teams in BCS conferences (Texas Tech and rumored Wake Forest). No matter, WEBER WILL GET KICKED OUT OF THE SKY AND THERE ISN'T ANOTHER CONFERENCE THAT WILL TAKE US. The WCC is strictly made up of Jesuit/religious private schools, and would not invite Weber State in. Neither would the Big West, strictly made up of California (public I believe) schools. We sure as hell don't want to be in the Summit (SUU's league, I think), or Great West (Great West is made up of crappy independents that nobody wanted). So, that pretty much means that Weber needs to save football. Weber needs serious change. The various departments need to work together rather than selfishly protecting their own interests. Weber State kinda reminds me of the decrept Holy Roman Empire. An empire made up of autonomous states that wanted to keep the central authority weak. The good ole boy system. Keep everyone happy, yet independent, no accountability, responsibility, however, nothing gets done and no progress happens. Go Wildcats!!

 

[talhadfoursteals]

So, lets get back to the topic at hand. What do the Cats have to do to win this game?

 

[WeberSki]

@Purpleblood: Randy Rahe makes $151,185 at Weber. Stew Morrill makes $406,000 at USU. Jim Boylen makes $591,000 at Utah. If you think for 1 second Rahe will stay at Weber (because he loves it here), (just like Urban Meyer loved Utah RIGHT!!!!!) when he could make 3 or 4 times more money some where else you are a certified nut job, and should stay in school indefinately. Ken Boone (PSU) took a huge pay increase to go to Wash St. I don't believe he is near the coach of Rahe. Last year before we got bounced out of our own tourney by MSU DJ and Pk of the Manly Morning show had Rahe pegged for Utah because they thought Boylen was linked and inked for the Arizona job. We need the resources to keep Rahe in Ogden and build our basketball program into a force, and if that means gutting the football program I'll be the first in line.

 

[ajwildcat]

@Purpleblood: Randy Rahe makes $151,185 at Weber. Stew Morrill makes $406,000 at USU. Jim Boylen makes $591,000 at Utah. If you think for 1 second Rahe will stay at Weber (because he loves it here), (just like Urban Meyer loved Utah RIGHT!!!!!) when he could make 3 or 4 times more money some where else you are a certified nut job, and should stay in school indefinately. Ken Boone (PSU) took a huge pay increase to go to Wash St. I don't believe he is near the coach of Rahe. Last year before we got bounced out of our own tourney by MSU DJ and Pk of the Manly Morning show had Rahe pegged for Utah because they thought Boylen was linked and inked for the Arizona job. We need the resources to keep Rahe in Ogden and build our basketball program into a force, and if that means gutting the football program I'll be the first in line.

Yeah by your reasoning then Utah State basketball must suck because they have a football team that not many care about, and play in a league that nobody cares about. I really don't understand why you hate football.
Why can't you understand that WSU is currently dominant in BOTH sports and that is a GOOD thing for WSU and Ogden.
BTW, Randy Rahe will NEVER coach the Utes again after the way they lied too and screwed his good friend Ray Giacoletti (sp?)

 

[PurpleBlood]

@Purpleblood: Randy Rahe makes $151,185 at Weber. Stew Morrill makes $406,000 at USU. Jim Boylen makes $591,000 at Utah. If you think for 1 second Rahe will stay at Weber (because he loves it here), (just like Urban Meyer loved Utah RIGHT!!!!!) when he could make 3 or 4 times more money some where else you are a certified nut job, and should stay in school indefinately. Ken Boone (PSU) took a huge pay increase to go to Wash St. I don't believe he is near the coach of Rahe. Last year before we got bounced out of our own tourney by MSU DJ and Pk of the Manly Morning show had Rahe pegged for Utah because they thought Boylen was linked and inked for the Arizona job. We need the resources to keep Rahe in Ogden and build our basketball program into a force, and if that means gutting the football program I'll be the first in line.

Yeah by your reasoning then Utah State basketball must suck because they have a football team that not many care about, and play in a league that nobody cares about. I really don't understand why you hate football.
Why can't you understand that WSU is currently dominant in BOTH sports and that is a GOOD thing for WSU and Ogden.
BTW, Randy Rahe will NEVER coach the Utes again after the way they lied too and screwed his good friend Ray Giacoletti (sp?)

I said it would take alot to get him out. He wouldnt leave for 200k or even 250k most likely if he were to leave it would be for 350 or 400, which were not gonna pay that anyway even if we drop football. All those teams without football still arent able to pay their coaches 600 k either. Dropping football will not help us one bit! Just because there are a few small schools that are good at basketball and dont have football does not mean we need to drop football. Alot of FCS schools are good at basketball and have football. Look at Davidson, Villanova, Northern Iowa, Butler and many more. All midmajors and managed to have football and good basketball.