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A new low for the interest in this instate game? Standard Examiner doesn't even print a article on the game...just lists it in the 'Local Schedule' buried beneath the Utah-BYU basketball game. Maybe it's in the small print somewhere...but I imagine most everyone can read all about it online - digital version & get the latest Coach Rahe speak as usual. Hope it's not another butt-kicking from a instate foe that those few of us interested Wildcat fans have to endure. 
Will be shocked if Wildcats win, suppose that chance for a Div I W will have to wait for BSC action.
Comeon Coach Rahe/Duft & team, SHOCK me !!!
Will be shocked if Wildcats win, suppose that chance for a Div I W will have to wait for BSC action.
Comeon Coach Rahe/Duft & team, SHOCK me !!!
Weber has played 6 games to this point and Utah Valley has played 9 games. They have 5 more OOC games with 4 being DI and Weber has 4 OOC games with 2 being DI left. Frankly, Madsen, to me, is doing a better job of getting his guys ready for conference than Rahe. UVU's schedule is light years ahead of ours. Granted, we play 6 more conference games than WAC teams once conference starts, but right now, having more experience on the court could play huge dividends in this match up. This and Weber's Utah County curse Will make it extremely tough for the Cats to come out of Orem with a W. A W tonight would be absolutely shocking; especially with how poorly our team has played up to this point.
weberwildcat
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i believe this is our first ever win in utah county and we have been playing them since 1976 maybe. we have been playing uvu since about 2004 is when i think they went d1.
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Hell of a game by Harding and the Wildcats. Winning on Wednesday was huge for the Cats. Now they get a week off before facing Utah (they do scrimmage on Saturday night). Weber beat Western Oregon in the Cougar Classic 20 years ago. Until Wednesday night, that was the only time in the history of DI Weber State Basketball of winning in Utah County. Personally, I don't care how good of a team UVU is and whether or not they are rebuilding. Getting a win, this season, and in Orem is huge for this team. Still some issues that need to be ironed out. Too many TOs, giving up transition buckets, and not getting enough production inside. If the Cats can improve on their outside shooting it will definitely help open up the middle. Teams have been packing it in against us and playing a lot of zone. So far, Zdor has been missing in action. Would love to see him get going. But...my starting 5 would be:
PG: KJ
SG: Harding
SF: Kham
PF: Kozak
C: Timmy
But, I get why Randy is bringing Fuller in off the bench. He gives the Cats energy off the bench and our bigs are definitely limited with Bouki not being 100% and Kupsas out.
PG: KJ
SG: Harding
SF: Kham
PF: Kozak
C: Timmy
But, I get why Randy is bringing Fuller in off the bench. He gives the Cats energy off the bench and our bigs are definitely limited with Bouki not being 100% and Kupsas out.
oldrunner
Active member
With Harding not quite a 100% yet, he is playing himself back into shape, He is going to have some great games this year. I can't wait to see what is next.
I agree with Talhad, we need to get more out of our big men. We knew that it would be a process this year. They are all so young. Fuller has been looking like he can get it done and Dima still looks to be struggling with his sprained ankle issue. I really don't know what to think about Bouki. He has been quite slow in his recovery. I still think that our big men will get steadily better as the season goes on. We'll see.
I agree with Talhad, we need to get more out of our big men. We knew that it would be a process this year. They are all so young. Fuller has been looking like he can get it done and Dima still looks to be struggling with his sprained ankle issue. I really don't know what to think about Bouki. He has been quite slow in his recovery. I still think that our big men will get steadily better as the season goes on. We'll see.
UtahPirate
Active member
MPWildcat said:
A couple of things.
1) Zdor is very much a D1 player. Just watch him run. At 6'10" he has great coordination and quickness. He's fast up and down the court. He is long, I don't know what his wingspan is, but it is obviously above average. When a kid grows that fast, those are the things that indicate what level he can take his game to. He is loaded with potential. I don't know when he reached his full height, but he is still raw and he needs bulk. And he needs good coaching (Tal's big concern). He does not have an offensive move and needs to be taught one. He has a tendency to bring the ball down to his belt level both when he rebounds and when he gets the ball on the post. That has to stop. That is something that is taught and something that is gained with game experience. He needs some confidence and it's clear that he doesn't have that yet. I don't know about the ankle, but I do know he isn't jumping like he was last year right now. I do wish we'd played him a little more as a freshman as I think he needed the court time. We are not talking Jordan Dallas here, that is what a non-D1 big guy looks like -- slow reflexes, slow feet, and no physicality.
2) Are you suggesting that Morris play the post???? Kudos to Morris for coming along, but his game is all perimeter with the ability to hit an occasional 3-point shot on offense. His confidence has improved over the years and he has grown as a player, but I have never seen him play with his back to the basket and seriously doubt he has any kind of inside post-up game. He is not physical in the least and lacks a vertical game with little length or bulk to play offense or defense on the block. And he lacks the quickness to really play the 3 well despite is height. What have you seen that suggests he is a better player than any of the scholarship players?
I guess it's all in the eye of the beholder, but to me you have one kid who has potential that needs to be cultivated and you're wanting to replace him with a kid who is a fun overachiever to pull for, who may have an occasional role on offense, but who seems to be the very definition of a non-D1 player.
Another note: Fuller has been a real pleasant surprise. Not sure what we'd do without him right now.
oldrunner
Active member
Wow; You must be the team doctor or the trainer. I was there when it happened and I was there the next week when he was struggling to walk on it. But, I guess you know better about Dima's ankle than anyone else. I thought it was incredible that the training staff could get him back on the floor within two weeks, as they did. It has always been my experience that an ankle sprain like that can take a while to get back to 100%. He is a good player at 70% and at 100% he is the best big man we have. We are only seeing the tip of the iceberg on his potential. He will just get better and better. Morris is a good shooter and a good teammate, but he is not one of the top 5 big men on our team right now. It hurt our depth when Kupsas went down and with Bouki not ready to go full speed just yet, we may have to get a few minutes out of Morris now and again, but to say that he should be playing ahead of any of our other players is just wrong in many ways.MPWildcat said:
crazy injuries have definitely afflicted the team this season. Our bigs have been somewhat decimated. Bouki is out for who knows how long, Kupsas goes down in the second game and Dina has been sidelined with an ankle injury. Kham has stepped in nicely as a forward and is a good rebounding guard but is undersized. Right now we need to get everything we can get from those bigs available.
UtahPirate
Active member
MPWildcat said:
One thing I want to make sure you know MPWildcat is that I'm thrilled you are here. I would love to see the board grow ... as I would love that more discussion is about the team and what people see and think about the players and what is going. A lot a discussion on Rahe lately and with that contract I don't have much to say as it is what it is. But I'd love more discussion on what people are seeing about the players.
I'm have huge hopes for Zdor and hope they don't get dashed so you just kind of hit a nerve. He was very bouncy and active last year and I just thought we may have another Bolomboy type with him.
Please don't think I'm disrespectful of your opinion. I could have written glowing things about Chapman as well a couple of years ago ... and in the end, either he was poorly coached or never raised to the level of my expectations, or the coaching staffs. I don't know there ... all I have is an opinion which (fill in the blank).
I hope I didn't come on too strong as I've enjoyed watching Morris develop over the years. The best thing has been the growth in his confidence, which I will think will serve him well in life. I wouldn't mind seeing him get more time this year, but I think it has to be the right spot. I'm also kind of interested to see what we have with the kid from Twin Falls. I think he is an interesting walk-on, but I believe we are redshirting him.
When all is said and done, I'm a really big fan of the kids. I think Weber State is the right choice for each of them -- and that's for reasons beyond basketball.
UtahPirate said:
Some of you fans need a little bit more insight. I am a former Wildcat basketball alum and someone who knows a lot of other former and current wildcat players. A lot of us former wildcats have played with Morris outside of Weber state and the kid is a straight hooper and knows the game of basketball better than anyone the coaches put on the court. In the right position and if allowed to do so, Morris could thrive but to say Zdor is more of a D1 talent than Morris is a huge overstatement and is obviously a bias opinion based on the product that is put out every game. For someone that could be like Joel Bolomboy he sure doesn’t play like it. I don’t remember a 3 game stretch where Joel had less than 4 rebounds a game and scored less than 6 points a game. Coaches definitely have their guys and they aren’t going to let someone they didn’t recruit look better than their guys plain and simple. As a fan or a friend you only see what coach Rahe wants you to seed or the most part. Hate to see someone who has never been given a chance like other guys be branded as a non D1 player.
What?! No comments on the 40 point romp Wildcat win last night? How about the 2K+ fans in attendance?
Yeah, some of us "negative" fans get it, Coach Rahe, about having some home games where all can play & analysis on sets can happen...but the excuse that no team wants to come here & play is long in the tooth! We really question if it's still that bad & obviously there's some dubious intent on the coach"s part to not play certain teams (maybe Div I (?) or better, more interesting to fans non-Div I teams)?!
The disappointment will continue as long as Rahe/Duft are here...
hno:
Yeah, some of us "negative" fans get it, Coach Rahe, about having some home games where all can play & analysis on sets can happen...but the excuse that no team wants to come here & play is long in the tooth! We really question if it's still that bad & obviously there's some dubious intent on the coach"s part to not play certain teams (maybe Div I (?) or better, more interesting to fans non-Div I teams)?!
The disappointment will continue as long as Rahe/Duft are here...
hno:UnknownFan1
New member
Firstly, it seems to me that a lot of the people on this forum are in denial at the state of WSU basketball. Let's be realistic.... Weber State basketball has been on a downward trajectory since Bolomboy, Senglin, etc left. I am all but certain Weber will amount to nothing this year just like the past couple of seasons (first, maybe second round Big Sky exit). To put it simply we don't have very good D1 athletes. we have no D1 bodies (just look at Bolomboy compared to Zdor body wise), players are not held accountable like they were in the past. For all of you defending Zdor he is definitely less than advertised. How many times has he scored in double digits this season? what teams were they too? :lol: He can definitely not handle himself against D1 players. Maybe Randy should look to play more players than the usual 7 or 8 no shows every game. This will no doubt be the best team Weber has for a looooong time. After this season we lose our two top scorers. Who do we have right now that resembles a scorer... Just saying...
Weber State basketball is down and dead as far as I am concerned.
Weber State basketball is down and dead as far as I am concerned.
UtahPirate
Active member
I don't have the advantage of watching Morris outside of what I've seen of him. Perhaps he's a baller and maybe it's the coaches fault that I haven't seen it. But I haven't ...
I also have different memories of Bolomboy as a freshman and sophomore. What I remember is a kid you could trap on the block and who would constantly turn the ball over as he had an inability to pass out of a trap. I remember a kid who had a ton of promise but was really raw. I remember a lot of travels because he stutter stepped when moving through the post or banging for position while he had the ball. I remember a kid that had a great nose for the ball, especially when rebounding, but didn't really have a shot, and was a little iffy from the FT line. I remember a guy who you could see had a great athletic gift but needed time and coaching. And I remember him getting better every year to the point that he was really dominating as a senior, rarely had trouble when double teamed on the block and could quickly pass out of it, and had a really nice 12 to 15 foot jump shot that took him to another level. If you recall, he made a huge, huge jump from his sophomore year to his junior year.
I'm not saying the Zdor is Bolomboy. I have no expectations of him playing on the edges of the NBA. I don't think he's near as physical. But I do think he has unusual jumping ability for a 6'10" kid that is so long. I do think he has raw potential. I do think he suffers a lot from being so thin and rangy and that's it's too easy to push him around. But I would also hope that he can come along. And I would quote Frank Layden, you can't teach that kind of height.
Lastly, there's a lot of angst out there. Every thread turns anti-Rahe, you're blind to the state of Weber basketball, there was no crowd, and you're a freaking idiot for even follow Weber -- and that's the end of the discussion. Maybe it should be. I'd like to think Weber fans could come someplace and show some inkling of respect for the other posters who seem to love the school. Losing gets people edgy. I'd love to hear what people think of Cunningham, or what the deal is with Jordan, but any question about current players is bound to turn into "they're not D1 players" or "Rahe sucks." Every previous thread for quite awhile would prove that right and I sure don't need all the negativity ...
I also have different memories of Bolomboy as a freshman and sophomore. What I remember is a kid you could trap on the block and who would constantly turn the ball over as he had an inability to pass out of a trap. I remember a kid who had a ton of promise but was really raw. I remember a lot of travels because he stutter stepped when moving through the post or banging for position while he had the ball. I remember a kid that had a great nose for the ball, especially when rebounding, but didn't really have a shot, and was a little iffy from the FT line. I remember a guy who you could see had a great athletic gift but needed time and coaching. And I remember him getting better every year to the point that he was really dominating as a senior, rarely had trouble when double teamed on the block and could quickly pass out of it, and had a really nice 12 to 15 foot jump shot that took him to another level. If you recall, he made a huge, huge jump from his sophomore year to his junior year.
I'm not saying the Zdor is Bolomboy. I have no expectations of him playing on the edges of the NBA. I don't think he's near as physical. But I do think he has unusual jumping ability for a 6'10" kid that is so long. I do think he has raw potential. I do think he suffers a lot from being so thin and rangy and that's it's too easy to push him around. But I would also hope that he can come along. And I would quote Frank Layden, you can't teach that kind of height.
Lastly, there's a lot of angst out there. Every thread turns anti-Rahe, you're blind to the state of Weber basketball, there was no crowd, and you're a freaking idiot for even follow Weber -- and that's the end of the discussion. Maybe it should be. I'd like to think Weber fans could come someplace and show some inkling of respect for the other posters who seem to love the school. Losing gets people edgy. I'd love to hear what people think of Cunningham, or what the deal is with Jordan, but any question about current players is bound to turn into "they're not D1 players" or "Rahe sucks." Every previous thread for quite awhile would prove that right and I sure don't need all the negativity ...
UtahPirate said:
Well, do you want us to praise and fall to the ground for Rahe? You do realize that he has been here for 14 years?? He has reached the dance THREE times. For a coach that gets paid $500k a year, we had better be getting to the sweet 16 at least once in those 14 years. Facts are facts. He blows as a coach. He didnt make the dance with Lillard, and thats telling. He was lucky his first year here, and some reason we fell in love with a wolf in sheeps clothing. Pirate, what postives would you like to discuss? There are literally zero postives. Win vs UVU was amazing, but should be expected on a yearly basis. The program is on the fringe of darkness, and Rahe is okay with that. Prove me wrong that he isnt. I guarantee that you cant. Facts..
