WAC chatter

[Green Cookie Monster]

3) He had several conversations with Benson and thought the WAC was definitely interested in going after the 2 Texas schools first.

Welcome HF84, humm, I wonder if the WAC is going after the two Texas schools because they have shown PUBLIC interest? No cloak and dagger, midnight hush hush phone calls.

I don't think we will build rivalries with TXST and UTSA, they are in another universe like Montucky and Weber.

 

[Green Cookie Monster]

To support my concern......

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/09/20/pair-of-texas-schools-to-state-case-for-wac-membership/


WAC commissioner Karl Benson stated today that Texas State and UT-San Antonio will make presentations to the conference Sept. 28. There are other schools -- perhaps as many as eight others, in fact -- who will make presentations as well, but, Benson said, "ntil they acknowledge their participation, I will defer until they make public that they're meeting with us."

 

[SJHornet]

To support my concern......

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/09/20/pair-of-texas-schools-to-state-case-for-wac-membership/


WAC commissioner Karl Benson stated today that Texas State and UT-San Antonio will make presentations to the conference Sept. 28. There are other schools -- perhaps as many as eight others, in fact -- who will make presentations as well, but, Benson said, "ntil they acknowledge their participation, I will defer until they make public that they're meeting with us."

Seven more days to make our intentions clear. I imagine if we don't hear anything before this weekend, no move this time for Sac State. It'll be a pitty, I think this is going to be our only window of opportunity for some time.

 

[SDHornet]

Welcome HornetFan84. Thanks for the info.

GCM, is it possible Benson doesn’t want to drop any names as to not let the hand of the other schools be known? Obviously Sac State is not the only one who has an administration who is keeping this quiet. Like SJH said, there is not much time left until the verdict is in. We shall see what happens soon enough.

 

[the Rat]

Apologies if this is repetitive, but I can't keep up with what has or hasn't been posted. I found the following interesting, and I have never heard of Lamar.

UPDATE: 10 schools interested in WAC:
Confirmed: UTSA, Texas St., Denver, Seattle
Multiple Sources: Montana & Lamar to give formal presentations. That would be 6 of the total 10 schools.


UTSA, Texas St, Denver & Others to Make Formal WAC Presentations on 9/28

http://news.collegesportsinfo.com/2010/09/utsa-texas-st-denver-others-to-make.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+collegesportsinfo+%28CollegeSportsInfo.com+News%29

 

[SJHornet]

Apologies if this is repetitive, but I can't keep up with what has or hasn't been posted. I found the following interesting, and I have never heard of Lamar.

UPDATE: 10 schools interested in WAC:
Confirmed: UTSA, Texas St., Denver, Seattle
Multiple Sources: Montana & Lamar to give formal presentations. That would be 6 of the total 10 schools.


UTSA, Texas St, Denver & Others to Make Formal WAC Presentations on 9/28

http://news.collegesportsinfo.com/2010/09/utsa-texas-st-denver-others-to-make.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+collegesportsinfo+%28CollegeSportsInfo.com+News%29

My guess as to the other four possibly presenting:
Sac State- no need to explain. Been done to death on this board. I don’t think HorntFan84's comments from Wanless sounded like a definitive no, was more of a lets see.
Portland State-big market, facilities available
Montana State-long shot, but if Montana is doing it...
North Dakota- Nowhere else to go, nice facilities

I could see the WAC taking 6 schools. If they took Denver, Seattle, UTSA, Texas State, Sac and Portland it would be a 12 team conference with a 10 team football conference.

 

[Green Cookie Monster]

Lamar is resurrecting their football program after a 20yr hiatus. They are located in Beaumont, TX, east of Houston and have made known public their intention of going FBS. They have just spent $$M on updating their football stadium and a refurb of their arena is next.

My guess is that once we make known our intention, the BSC is on notice, up to this point it is all speculative. Dont know why having the BSC know our goal is such a bad thing unless it involves getting the shaft somehow.

 

[Green Cookie Monster]

It is also obvious that the schools that have not made public their intent are also the same schools who dont have the money, facilities or community support to be successful at this level.

Sac State hasnt said anything because it doesnt have really anything to offer and we are waiting for a desperate handout from the WAC to join, unfortuantely, the WAC doesnt have anything to provide to assist in the transistion.

Top 20 media market doesnt count if only 6,000 tv sets are turned on to a game.

 

[SactoHornetAlum]

It is also obvious that the schools that have not made public their intent are also the same schools who dont have the money, facilities or community support to be successful at this level.

Sac State hasnt said anything because it doesnt have really anything to offer and we are waiting for a desperate handout from the WAC to join, unfortuantely, the WAC doesnt have anything to provide to assist in the transistion.

Top 20 media market doesnt count if only 6,000 tv sets are turned on to a game.

See, the media in this town has come out and said if you are big time, we will give you major coverage. They obviously don't think the Big Sky is a Division I conference (which makes them look clueless on their part), but with that, there is no reason for corporate support to be thrown at Sac State marketing.

 

[SDHornet]

Exactly what SHA said, if/when Sac State is FBS, we will get the media attention we have been craving. Even a depleated conference such as the WAC will be 100 times harder to ignore than the irrelevant FCS Big Sky. GCM, the 20th largest media market means a lot to the WAC as they will be looking for any leverage possible to try and maintain a sizable payout from their TV contract. ESPN and the WAC are going to begin negotiations in the near future regarding their contract. The loss of the media darling Boise State is sure to impact the payout, having large media markets (possibly Sac, Portland, and San Antonio) to replace the BSU draw may help.

 

[Green Cookie Monster]

Exactly what SHA said, if/when Sac State is FBS, we will get the media attention we have been craving. Even a depleated conference such as the WAC will be 100 times harder to ignore than the irrelevant FCS Big Sky. GCM, the 20th largest media market means a lot to the WAC as they will be looking for any leverage possible to try and maintain a sizable payout from their TV contract. ESPN and the WAC are going to begin negotiations in the near future regarding their contract. The loss of the media darling Boise State is sure to impact the payout, having large media markets (possibly Sac, Portland, and San Antonio) to replace the BSU draw may help.

But if only 6,000 tv sets are what we represent does this market really care about Sac State? Look at UOP, they were/are part of the demographic and that didnt help them when it came time for a home game and only 6,000 showed up. For an FBS team that certainly would be on espn, as a ridicule.

15K show up for a prep game in Sacto and espn isnt even in their world. So the tv aspect will do nothing to drive attendance.

Look, I want this to happen, but after much thought have to question the sane reasons why.

 

[SactoHornetAlum]

Exactly what SHA said, if/when Sac State is FBS, we will get the media attention we have been craving. Even a depleated conference such as the WAC will be 100 times harder to ignore than the irrelevant FCS Big Sky. GCM, the 20th largest media market means a lot to the WAC as they will be looking for any leverage possible to try and maintain a sizable payout from their TV contract. ESPN and the WAC are going to begin negotiations in the near future regarding their contract. The loss of the media darling Boise State is sure to impact the payout, having large media markets (possibly Sac, Portland, and San Antonio) to replace the BSU draw may help.

But if only 6,000 tv sets are what we represent does this market really care about Sac State? Look at UOP, they were/are part of the demographic and that didnt help them when it came time for a home game and only 6,000 showed up. For an FBS team that certainly would be on espn, as a ridicule.

15K show up for a prep game in Sacto and espn isnt even in their world. So the tv aspect will do nothing to drive attendance.

Look, I want this to happen, but after much thought have to question the sane reasons why.

Where are you getting 6K TV sets figure from? And trying to compare what UOP did in the Big West back in 1995 to now is really apples to oranges. Really, what needs to happen is for Sac State marketing to spend money on commercials on the radio in town. I hear a ton for the Mountain Lions for their home opener this week, but heard nothing about Sac State. Now, there are various reasons for that. I think there needs to be a real push to get funds into the marketing side so they can promote the team. Marketing just hasn't had the kind of money they need to buy ad time, which is really needed because we know the major Sacto fishwrap will not do an article a day on this team, which is amazing consider that should be a SOP for any newspaper with a Div. I football program in its town. The kind of money marketing needs comes from a conference like the WAC through its TV distribution figures to all of its members.

 

[Green Cookie Monster]

6000 is our average attendance this year, give or take a few souls.

 

[Green Laser]

The San Jose message board mentioned that Northern Colorado is in the WAC mix. Northern Colorado?
If this is true it proves that the WAC is desperate, interested in teams with a close proximity to major markets or both.

 

[SactoHornetAlum]

6000 is our average attendance this year, give or take a few souls.

Actually its 7,374 thru 2 games now.
http://www.hornetsports.com/livestats/football/10/teamcume.htm

And again, I think its underreported. There were more people at the Weber game and each game looked like at the very minimum 8-9K. But butts in the seat is only one indicator and that doesn't translate to actual TV viewship. That's an apples to oranges comparison.

 

[Kadeezy]

6000 is our average attendance this year, give or take a few souls.

Actually its 7,374 thru 2 games now.
http://www.hornetsports.com/livestats/football/10/teamcume.htm

And again, I think its underreported. There were more people at the Weber game and each game looked like at the very minimum 8-9K. But butts in the seat is only one indicator and that doesn't translate to actual TV viewship. That's an apples to oranges comparison.

I was at both games and I think that the Weber game was WAY underreported. I would have to say there was AT LEAST 10K at that game.

 

[StungAlum]

The San Jose message board mentioned that Northern Colorado is in the WAC mix. Northern Colorado?
If this is true it proves that the WAC is desperate, interested in teams with a close proximity to major markets or both.

The SJSU posters don't know their arses from a hole in the ground. They are the most un-informed set of "fans" I have ever heard.

They have absolutely no concept of reality and the potential peril their football program can potentially find itself in within the next year or so. It's an underfunded, underattended, underachieving program that is literally on its last leg. No other conference in the FBS wants them, however, every FCS team in the country wants to play them due to their absolutely crappy program that nearly loses every time they play an FCS opponent.

Off rant...

 

[Green Cookie Monster]

Why not, N. Colo sounds like a good addition. Travel partner for Denver Pioneers.

I am in Dallas and sat next to a guy last night at dinner who is a season ticket holder for SJSU, says the team and program are abysmal. Yet, he supports them.

What benefit does it serve to under report your football attendance? I cant think of a single positive. Other than to diminish the football program.

 

[SDHornet]

...They have absolutely no concept of reality and the potential peril their football program can potentially find itself in within the next year or so. It's an underfunded, underattended, underachieving program that is literally on its last leg. No other conference in the FBS wants them, however, every FCS team in the country wants to play them due to their absolutely crappy program that nearly loses every time they play an FCS opponent.

Off rant...

SJSU has not lost to an FCS school in the last 8 years (Yahoo only goes back until ’03 and I’m too lazy to check the NCAA stats website to go back even further)…but if by FCS you mean WAC teams who might be competitive in the FCS, then by all means you are correct sir.

 

[Green Laser]

I agree that some of the fans on the SJSU board are pretty unrealistic. They have been left behind by the more high value schools of the WAC, they have few options and are bitter. I can't remember them losing to a FCS team but they have had some close calls in 2008 beating a weak davis team in the last seconds and last week beating Southern Utah 16-11 after SSU lost their QB in the 2nd OTR. Hardly impressive for a team at home with a 22 scholarship advantage. If the WAC goes away I doubt that San Jose football could survive, unless they moved to FCS something that sounds unacceptable to most of their fans.