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Green Cookie Monster

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Hummmm, who sits smack in the middle of the WAC geographic footprint?
I am not advocating Sac lobby for this as we are not ready or outwardly willing, but when a girl asks you to dance, you dance.

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=442367
 
Interesting article. Of course for us, already having baseball and gymnastics in the WAC is a huge foot in the door over someone like Davis, Montana, etc.
 
SactoHornetAlum said:
Interesting article. Of course for us, already having baseball and gymnastics in the WAC is a huge foot in the door over someone like Davis, Montana, etc.
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Non-revenue gymnastics and baseball are an afterthought. Football and basketball keep these conferences working, we are horrible at the moment in both. Montana's football millions and davis' facilities and close proximity to Sac are much more enticing.

Until we get a modern stadium and arena keep dreaming unfortunately.
 
Green Cookie Monster said:
SactoHornetAlum said:
Interesting article. Of course for us, already having baseball and gymnastics in the WAC is a huge foot in the door over someone like Davis, Montana, etc.
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Non-revenue gymnastics and baseball are an afterthought. Football and basketball keep these conferences working, we are horrible at the moment in both. Montana's football millions and davis' facilities and close proximity to Sac are much more enticing.

Until we get a modern stadium and arena keep dreaming unfortunately.
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I don't Davis' admin sees it that way. It was a real battle just to go D-I for them. As for Montana, yes they have a great winning tradition and stadium, however, they don't have the media market, which is something the WAC has a big priority for.
 
I realize it's just a fan thing and likely a let's-dump-Sac attitude, but I've been hearing all over that the WAC is just salivating over us. I don't believe it for a minute. There's a better chance of Bako getting into the Big West when their D-I jump is complete than there is of us joining the WAC full-time. If we want to go FBS (which I don't), the only way I can see to do it is to overextend our supply lines by joining the Sun Belt.

We're MUCH better off in the Sky, where the football's better anyway. We have a legit champ decided on the field, not by stupid computers.
 
Just curious, where or who has been saying that the WAC is salivating over us?

Are you saying the Sun Belt is a better fit than the WAC if we were going to FBS? Didn't Idaho and Utah State get "lifelines" thrown their way with the SunBelt only to bail at first opportunity to join the WAC? How do you justify joining the SunBelt based on your scenario? The conference's schools are in Florida, Tenn., Louisiana, Ark., and Texas. Help me understand.
 
Rat, do you even want to open that can of worms...lol. SH, there is no way on God's Green Earth we will ever be in the Sun Belt. We will be in the WAC before that happens. Trust me on this.
 
SactoHornetAlum said:
Rat, do you even want to open that can of worms...lol. SH, there is no way on God's Green Earth we will ever be in the Sun Belt. We will be in the WAC before that happens. Trust me on this.
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We will be in the Pac-14 by then. lol

Sunbelt?!

I bet Visgar could figure out a way to make it work.
 
SacRat said:
Just curious, where or who has been saying that the WAC is salivating over us?
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I see it all the time on eGriz. The catch is that it's strictly from fans itching to get rid of us. There has never been any proof of the allegation shown.

SacRat said:
Are you saying the Sun Belt is a better fit than the WAC if we were going to FBS? Didn't Idaho and Utah State get "lifelines" thrown their way with the SunBelt only to bail at first opportunity to join the WAC? How do you justify joining the SunBelt based on your scenario? The conference's schools are in Florida, Tenn., Louisiana, Ark., and Texas. Help me understand.
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I didn't mean "better" fit. I meant "easier" or "possible" fit. Given the podunk schools in the Sun Belt, it would be "easier" for us to fit in there than with the primary state schools in the WAC. We claim to be the "flagship" of the CSU system, but realistically, there IS no "flagship" school. I also never said that the Sun Belt would be a good idea. In fact, your point about how strung out it is was my main point against it. Idaho is a red herring here as they didn't even belong in the Big West, but jumped out of FCS because of political objections to Boise's intended solo jump. They got lucky that they could go with USU. As far as USU goes, they probably should have been in the WAC to begin with once Dennis Farrell's wet dream of the California Bus League became public. The Sun Belt was a miscalculation on USU's part, IMO, on the way to their ultimate membership in the WAC. Given USU's miscalculation and Idaho's nonfactor presence, I can't see how their Sun Belt time would affect whether or not we go there.

That said, I still think we should stay. FBS whomps.
 
FCS Football Super Conference - Big Sky North and South - Great West bye bye

North - Montana, Montana State, North Dakota, U South Dakota, Weber State, Eastern Washington, Northern Colorado

South - Sac State, Portland State, Cal Poly, UC Davis, Southern Utah, Northern Arizona, Idaho State

North Champion and South Champion (Big Sky Championship game) automatic playoff births. possible 1-2 teams at large. Any thoughts?
 
Hornet Homer said:
FCS Football Super Conference - Big Sky North and South - Great West bye bye

North - Montana, Montana State, North Dakota, U South Dakota, Weber State, Eastern Washington, Northern Colorado

South - Sac State, Portland State, Cal Poly, UC Davis, Southern Utah, Northern Arizona, Idaho State

North Champion and South Champion (Big Sky Championship game) automatic playoff births. possible 1-2 teams at large. Any thoughts?
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Thats too easy. davis and Poly would cry and scream about not having a bus league for their fencing teams. But then they claim they want a strong league for their football program.

The Great West may be strong, but it is dying and won't be maintained long term. They are not even an official conference in the eyes of the NCAA.
 
Strong? Outside of Cow Poly and the Manure Pile, the Great West has NEVER been strong. It's been nothing but the epitome of flux. Particularly now that they've evolved from a football-only conference to an all-sports conference stretching from Davis to New Jersey and south to Houston.

The Mega-Sky proposal has been kicking around the last several years. The Manure Pile would make a LOT of sense as they would not only make a great travel partner for Sac, but would make the Causeway Classic meaningful in terms of jockeying for position for the first time in 20 years. Similarly, CP in the Sky would be great as they already have a meaningful rivalry with Montana. But SUU? This has been bandied about for quite some time, and I've always been opposed. They can't even win a conference title in a four-team league from a squad that was 4-7. Not thrilled with the Dakotas, either (due to travel concerns), but they're a much better choice than the Cr@pbirds. Most scenarios I've seen have shown an E-W division set-up, but I think that a N-S one such as HH has shown makes more sense. Not sure about HH's exact breakdown, but the N-S concept makes more sense in the long run. I know that ISU in the South doesn't make much sense, but the NFC West contained Atlanta for years, so I guess it's OK. They'd likely be a travel partner with Weber. That's about the most strained we'd see in terms of a travel partner arrangement, though the likely matchup of CP and NAU might rival that. Sac-UCD is natural, as would be UM-MSU, UND-USD, and EWU-PSU.

Great discussion, guys.
 
Um, the Great West not strong? Did you see what NDSU and SDSU did the last two years with Poly and davis?

I think the Great West will not be good now that they left. I dont see UND and USD being on the same level when the xDSU's made the jump.
 
That's my point, SHA. If the GWFC were strong, the xDSUs would not have left. It's that lack of cohesiveness that makes them weak. They're falling apart at the seams, and that's going to accellerate with their ill-advised mega-expansion.
 
Actually, if travel costs were not a concern, the xDSU's would have stayed put, waited for the UxD's to move up to join, then the Great West would get an auto bid. That would have been a heck of a lot easier to win the GWFC than the MVFC that they are in. The Great West with Poly, davis, SUU, NDSU, SDSU, UND, USD is a pretty good looking conference on paper.
 
True that, SHA. Except for one thing. I guess everyone has to have a UCR or UNC. For your proposed GWFC, SUU fits that mold. Why in the cr@p would they want a program that can't even take a conference title from a 4-6 or 4-7 team?
 
SH, your wrong. It is not an easier or possible fit. Western Kentucky, already a member of the Sun Belt, is moving up to Div 1 A football and thus further stabilizing the conference. The point is that the Sun Belt doesn't need Sac State or any school from California. Sac State couldn't get into the SBC if it tried. The WAC would be easier than the SBC.
 
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