http://sacstatesports.com/2011/12/2...t-at-foul-line-open-big-sky-with-loss-at-nau/
So anyone know what is going on with this? Considering finals were last week, is it that he is academically ineligible? Is he injured? :?:
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Walter Jackson?
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http://sacstatesports.com/2011/12/2...t-at-foul-line-open-big-sky-with-loss-at-nau/
So anyone know what is going on with this? Considering finals were last week, is it that he is academically ineligible? Is he injured? :?:
williestarbuck
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Who knows. We've talked about this before, the problem Katz seems to have retaining key players. It's definitely a pattern. My guess is it will continue to happen and whoever is next wouldn't be a surprise to me either.
mattman_121
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According to Hornetsports.com:
Which is a shame because not only was he one of the most exciting players to play for the Hornets, but a terrific defender and rebounder.
EarleHornet
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http://sacstatesports.com/2011/12/30/jackson-leaves-hornets-mens-hoops-team-carbajal-returns-from-injury/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
williestarbuck
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Katz said he wasn’t concerned because of the recent return of Jackson Carbajal.
“Jackson is athletic,” Katz said. “He does some things Walt didn’t do and some things he did do like go hard to the boards. It’s ironic the moment we lose Walter we get Jackson back.”
Let's see, last season Carbajal had 75 rebounds, 5 blocks; Walter Jackson had 116 rebounds and 23 blocks. Both averaged 6 points a game, but Jackson plays both Foward and Guard. So he loses defense, rebounding, and flexibility, but Katz is not concerned...Well, if Katz isn't concerned, I am. I'm just as concerned now as I was learning that after having a meeting with Katz, Vinnie McGhee, BSC Freshman of the Year, decided to transfer.
But back to the Walter Jackson situation, this is the kind of guy Katz is. How can you honestly make this kind of comment about a player of Jackson's caliber? A player who helped him since JC. Who can play for this guy? So does he think his roster is that deep he can lose an atheltic defender and rebounder; is he trying to dismiss the fact he's lost another key player; or is he taking the opportunity to put one last public dig into one of his players? I suppose, if a coach can leave a player running after a bus (Loren Leath) he certainly isn't above making BS comments like this to the media.
If there are any die hard Katz supporters still out there, please let me know what the hell we have to look forward to?
“Jackson is athletic,” Katz said. “He does some things Walt didn’t do and some things he did do like go hard to the boards. It’s ironic the moment we lose Walter we get Jackson back.”
Let's see, last season Carbajal had 75 rebounds, 5 blocks; Walter Jackson had 116 rebounds and 23 blocks. Both averaged 6 points a game, but Jackson plays both Foward and Guard. So he loses defense, rebounding, and flexibility, but Katz is not concerned...Well, if Katz isn't concerned, I am. I'm just as concerned now as I was learning that after having a meeting with Katz, Vinnie McGhee, BSC Freshman of the Year, decided to transfer.
But back to the Walter Jackson situation, this is the kind of guy Katz is. How can you honestly make this kind of comment about a player of Jackson's caliber? A player who helped him since JC. Who can play for this guy? So does he think his roster is that deep he can lose an atheltic defender and rebounder; is he trying to dismiss the fact he's lost another key player; or is he taking the opportunity to put one last public dig into one of his players? I suppose, if a coach can leave a player running after a bus (Loren Leath) he certainly isn't above making BS comments like this to the media.
If there are any die hard Katz supporters still out there, please let me know what the hell we have to look forward to?
hno:EarleHornet
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What do you expect Katz to say? Jackson quits on the team right before the start of league, should Katz say the Hornets have no chance without him? The Hornets should give up for the rest of the year? Or should he keep working and trying to compete with what he has?
Haven't you guys heard a Coach quoted in the media before? It's all BS! They never tell you what is really going on. We may never find out what really happened. As far as McGhee, think what you want. How has he done since leaving Sac? I haven't been following him.
Haven't you guys heard a Coach quoted in the media before? It's all BS! They never tell you what is really going on. We may never find out what really happened. As far as McGhee, think what you want. How has he done since leaving Sac? I haven't been following him.
EarleHornet
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I just checked the stats for McGhee. He's lighting it up!!! 30% FG overall, 27% from the 3 pt line, playing 23 minutes/game, averaging 9 pts/game for that juggernaut, Northridge. Northridge has 3 wins, 2 against non-D1 opponents.
EarleHornet said:
Plus on probation!!! :lol:
williestarbuck
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You guys have really drank the cool-aide. What you do is thank a player for his service and move on. It's called taking the high road. Saying someting contrary to the stats he put up is stupid. When you're down to celebrating someone's lack of success for leaving your program (McGhee) you really don't have much to say for your own success. Point is, he was Freshman of the year and you didn't keep him. We can breathe a sigh of relief he didn't blow the stats box up, but at least he went to a program with a good coach and he obviously didn't miss out on nothing here by leaving. You keep on defending Katz' incompetence with empty points and 0 facts. I'm gonna sit and wait til his contract ends and hope dumb-ass Wanless doesn't extend it.
EarleHornet
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Willie,
I must be missing the slight on Jackson. Katz was quoted as saying: Carbajal does some things that Jackson didn't do. I'm assuming Katz was referring to outside shooting, (I know Carbajal has not shot the ball well at all for the Hornets, but he is capable of doing it and I'm hoping it's starts really soon. He was a big time scorer in HS.) Losing Jackson breaks my heart, (he's athletic, plays good D, rebounds, blocks shots), I've loved his game for 5 years and it will definitely be harder to win without him, but his outside shot was inconsistent. As far as Jackson playing the guard position, not true!
As far as McGhee, you have indicated they had a meeting and McGhee decided to transfer. That happens sometimes. Coaches don't always fit a players style, players don't always fit a coaches style. Take a look at Kurtz for Davis. Plenty of playing time last year as a freshman, new Coach this year and he doesn't get off the bench. Maybe Katz knew McGhee wasn't his type of guy and forseeing limited playing time for him, didn't want to deal with a disgruntled player for 3 years. I don't know, just guessing.
I'm not saying Katz is John Wooden but I know he can coach and I know he's working his rear end off on all phases of the program and even "accidentally" (your words in another thread) lucked into getting Garrity and Eberhard.
Fortunately for me, he still has 3 more years after this season. If he doesn't get it worked out, I'll be the first to say I was wrong. If I was an ex-betting man like Kadeezy, I'd wager a lot on Katz getting it done and making the Hornet nation proud.
Definitely, give me your impression of the slight on Jackson. I'm missing it and you are correct, it is better to say the positives and take the high road which is what Katz has done in the past.
I must be missing the slight on Jackson. Katz was quoted as saying: Carbajal does some things that Jackson didn't do. I'm assuming Katz was referring to outside shooting, (I know Carbajal has not shot the ball well at all for the Hornets, but he is capable of doing it and I'm hoping it's starts really soon. He was a big time scorer in HS.) Losing Jackson breaks my heart, (he's athletic, plays good D, rebounds, blocks shots), I've loved his game for 5 years and it will definitely be harder to win without him, but his outside shot was inconsistent. As far as Jackson playing the guard position, not true!
As far as McGhee, you have indicated they had a meeting and McGhee decided to transfer. That happens sometimes. Coaches don't always fit a players style, players don't always fit a coaches style. Take a look at Kurtz for Davis. Plenty of playing time last year as a freshman, new Coach this year and he doesn't get off the bench. Maybe Katz knew McGhee wasn't his type of guy and forseeing limited playing time for him, didn't want to deal with a disgruntled player for 3 years. I don't know, just guessing.
I'm not saying Katz is John Wooden but I know he can coach and I know he's working his rear end off on all phases of the program and even "accidentally" (your words in another thread) lucked into getting Garrity and Eberhard.
Fortunately for me, he still has 3 more years after this season. If he doesn't get it worked out, I'll be the first to say I was wrong. If I was an ex-betting man like Kadeezy, I'd wager a lot on Katz getting it done and making the Hornet nation proud.
Definitely, give me your impression of the slight on Jackson. I'm missing it and you are correct, it is better to say the positives and take the high road which is what Katz has done in the past.
williestarbuck
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EH, I read between the lines. I think it is safe to conclude that "personal reasons" is the reason given but not the actual cause for Jackson's decision to leave, because if a player is truely having personal problems no coach will be so insensitive to say he's not concerned about his lose and go on to state he would trade in this case Carbajal's potential as a 3-pt shooter for what he loses in Walter Jackson's proven overall performance. And statistics show that Carbajal has not been as productive as Jackson has been as a rebounder and defender so to compare the 2 in that way to me is just dumb and reflects poorly on Katz.
Secondly, Walter Jackson is listed as a G/F on the roster and he has consistently defended the opponents guard if that player was seen as an offensive threat. And yes, I've made the comment about Garrity. He's been a surprise to me. I admit I was wrong about him. But I think a lot of DI recruiters had the same concern and that's why he ended up here. Honestly, now that he's proven he can play at this level, I'll be surprise if he stays.
I think my comments on Katz for the most part have not been that good, but I've tried to be fair. I definitely do not know the insides of the program. I'm just a fan with an outsider's perspective. But a lot of productive players, or at least hopefuls, have left the Katz' program for one reason or another. Dani Lopez, Alpha NiDiaye, Mike Edwards, Aaron Wilson, Zach Nelson, Antoine Proctor, and Anthony Cosentino and now Jackson. Don't you think that's a lot? And if Katz would have a player chasing a bus like a dog, then you've got to give that player a lot of credit for staying on the team.
It's just an impression I have that he's not a players coach or maybe he's just not in sync with his players. Could I be wrong about that? Sure. I'm not in the locker room. But these defections, or his comments I didn't make up.
Secondly, Walter Jackson is listed as a G/F on the roster and he has consistently defended the opponents guard if that player was seen as an offensive threat. And yes, I've made the comment about Garrity. He's been a surprise to me. I admit I was wrong about him. But I think a lot of DI recruiters had the same concern and that's why he ended up here. Honestly, now that he's proven he can play at this level, I'll be surprise if he stays.
I think my comments on Katz for the most part have not been that good, but I've tried to be fair. I definitely do not know the insides of the program. I'm just a fan with an outsider's perspective. But a lot of productive players, or at least hopefuls, have left the Katz' program for one reason or another. Dani Lopez, Alpha NiDiaye, Mike Edwards, Aaron Wilson, Zach Nelson, Antoine Proctor, and Anthony Cosentino and now Jackson. Don't you think that's a lot? And if Katz would have a player chasing a bus like a dog, then you've got to give that player a lot of credit for staying on the team.
It's just an impression I have that he's not a players coach or maybe he's just not in sync with his players. Could I be wrong about that? Sure. I'm not in the locker room. But these defections, or his comments I didn't make up.
Who cares about McGhee, Katz met with him and maybe McGhee didn’t like what was going to be done here so he left. It happens when new coaches are brought in. McGhee isn’t tearing it up so it wasn’t a big loss anyways, and it sounds like he had off the court issues which is a knock on him as well. As far as all the other players that have come and gone, that is a big concern. Too many players come in and leave, and that doesn’t set a good impression on the way thing are being handled internally. Sure some guys come in and probably realize this place isn’t for them, but there has just been too much turnover the past couple of years and it reflects poorly on the program. We don’t know the ins and out of why WJ recently left but considering he has been here 2+ years I sure hope it isn’t an issue with Katz.
Earle, I’m not sold on Katz at all. This team has been too inconsistent under Katz this season and my patience is wearing thin. The improvement from year to year has been minimal and a complete disappointment imo. Whether or not this team is ready from game to game is a complete crap shoot and that reflects very poorly on Katz and his ability to get this team ready.
It’s always “next year” with this program and I’m sick of it. Katz should have done better with what he had last year and he should be at least 2 or 3 wins better at this point in the season. With that said, if Katz can get a full 40 minutes every game from this team, they can win quite a few BSC games. Katz needs to get wins now; I’m done with the “wait for next year” mentality.
One last thing...Happy New Year everyone. :mrgreen:
Earle, I’m not sold on Katz at all. This team has been too inconsistent under Katz this season and my patience is wearing thin. The improvement from year to year has been minimal and a complete disappointment imo. Whether or not this team is ready from game to game is a complete crap shoot and that reflects very poorly on Katz and his ability to get this team ready.
It’s always “next year” with this program and I’m sick of it. Katz should have done better with what he had last year and he should be at least 2 or 3 wins better at this point in the season. With that said, if Katz can get a full 40 minutes every game from this team, they can win quite a few BSC games. Katz needs to get wins now; I’m done with the “wait for next year” mentality.
One last thing...Happy New Year everyone. :mrgreen:
williestarbuck
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Look, it's easy to argue McGhee wasn't a big loss. Like I said before, that's not the point. If I'm coming into a program and I have a Freshman of the Year fall in my lap, I'm going to do what I can to convince him to stay. Period. It was the begining of a my way or the highway attitude that Katz has and it hasn't changed. That said, I think McGhee was need here more than you know because after him we never had a true point guard. We lost some close games over the years in part because of that. I think his presence would have meant at least 5 more wins over the years. Leath could have been better, STB could have played off the ball. I think McGhee would have been a better player here and he could have helped us. But again this isn't about McGhee. It's all about Katz. And that's the problem.
The McGhee thing was 4 years ago, how long is going to take to get over it? He was freshman of the year and has since done squat in a conference comparable to the BSC. He was recruited here to be used in a different type of offense. Maybe McGhee didn’t want anything to do with the style of offense Katz was going to run and that was his choice. Katz had zero obligations to change his coaching style to accommodate McGhee. As good as it could have been to have him, if he wasn’t going to buy into the system Katz was implementing it wouldn’t have done anyone any good.
McGhee’s career stats:
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/36747/vinnie-mcghee
McGhee’s career stats:
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/36747/vinnie-mcghee
You know what folks, these are 19-21 year olds. They need discipline, direction and order. Period. If Katz is a disciplinarian and these kids need to learn it, I'm all for it. These kids don't need to be Molly coddled, they need someone to tell them how it is to grow up and be successful in life, especially outside of basketball. If these kids can't figure it out, they don't deserve to be out on the court. Period. McGhee thought he was bigger than the program. F that punk. I don't want him representing me, an alum with his attitude, and if you dont think McGhee is a punk, your drinking the kool-aid!!! Katz may not have the wins that i would like, but he has my respect and full support in teaching these kids how to become a productive adult in our society.
Sheesh!
Sheesh!
williestarbuck
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I'm going to say this and then I'll let you have the last word because I don't think you get it. When Katz got the job he hadn't recruited anyone so I'm not sure why he'd be trying to sell a particular style of play. And after 4 years I still don't know his style of play. I do know you need a good point guard. And because Katz never had one, I'm sure McGhee would have played 30+ minutes here instead of the 20 he plays at Northridge (they've rotated 5 in and 5 out for years). I just mentioned McGhee like I mentioned a few others. I"m not sure how we got stuck on him but my point still remains we've lost a lot of players for whatever the reason and that can't be healthy.
McGhee is yesterday's news. We have a point guard now, a real one: Garrity!
