Walter Jackson?

[jon]

Hey everyone,

I wrote up a post a couple days about this, and mentioned how it was becoming a disturbing trend that so many players were leaving under Katz. I also talked about how I had heard that some folks associated with the program aren't overly excited about the progress he has made. I had a couple boosters comment saying that they disagreed with that and supported Katz 100%, so I expanded on the post a bit. I would love to hear your thoughts there, or would love to generate a discussion on the state of the program. Anyone, if anyone is interested here is the post - http://www.bigskybball.com/2012/01/update-and-correction-on-sacramento.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[SDHornet]

It’s a mixed bag as far as support for Katz goes on this board. You can dig around some of the threads to get a feel for it. Bottom line is Katz needs to start winning and prove he can take this program beyond "just competing".

 

[superhornet]

Of course, Katz' biggest supporter is the board's biggest crazy.

LOL.

 

[heyihavenoidea]

What do you expect Katz to say? Jackson quits on the team right before the start of league, should Katz say the Hornets have no chance without him? The Hornets should give up for the rest of the year? Or should he keep working and trying to compete with what he has?

Haven't you guys heard a Coach quoted in the media before? It's all BS! They never tell you what is really going on. We may never find out what really happened. As far as McGhee, think what you want. How has he done since leaving Sac? I haven't been following him.

What should we expect him to say?? As a Division I coach, you would expect him to say something more educated-thats for sure..he sounded like his feelings were hurt..like a kid lashing out after a tantrum... The key is ...did Jackson quit the team???

The answer is NO! He had an injury.
While reporting this to the coach before practice,
He was bullied off the team. End of story... for now.

 

[heyihavenoidea]

Katz said he wasn’t concerned because of the recent return of Jackson Carbajal.
“Jackson is athletic,” Katz said. “He does some things Walt didn’t do and some things he did do like go hard to the boards. It’s ironic the moment we lose Walter we get Jackson back.”

Let's see, last season Carbajal had 75 rebounds, 5 blocks; Walter Jackson had 116 rebounds and 23 blocks. Both averaged 6 points a game, but Jackson plays both Foward and Guard. So he loses defense, rebounding, and flexibility, but Katz is not concerned...Well, if Katz isn't concerned, I am. I'm just as concerned now as I was learning that after having a meeting with Katz, Vinnie McGhee, BSC Freshman of the Year, decided to transfer.

But back to the Walter Jackson situation, this is the kind of guy Katz is. How can you honestly make this kind of comment about a player of Jackson's caliber? A player who helped him since JC. Who can play for this guy? So does he think his roster is that deep he can lose an atheltic defender and rebounder; is he trying to dismiss the fact he's lost another key player; or is he taking the opportunity to put one last public dig into one of his players? I suppose, if a coach can leave a player running after a bus (Loren Leath) he certainly isn't above making BS comments like this to the media.

If there are any die hard Katz supporters still out there, please let me know what the hell we have to look forward to?

Thank you for writing what everyone else is thinking--his comments are out of line...these are the comments of a mad man LOL!!!! :rofl:

 

[SactoHornetAlum]

What do you expect Katz to say? Jackson quits on the team right before the start of league, should Katz say the Hornets have no chance without him? The Hornets should give up for the rest of the year? Or should he keep working and trying to compete with what he has?

Haven't you guys heard a Coach quoted in the media before? It's all BS! They never tell you what is really going on. We may never find out what really happened. As far as McGhee, think what you want. How has he done since leaving Sac? I haven't been following him.

What should we expect him to say?? As a Division I coach, you would expect him to say something more educated-thats for sure..he sounded like his feelings were hurt..like a kid lashing out after a tantrum... The key is ...did Jackson quit the team???

The answer is NO! He had an injury.
While reporting this to the coach before practice,
He was bullied off the team. End of story... for now.

So what is this injury, since you seem to be in the know...

 

[whatreallyhappened]

"-So what is this injury, since you seem to be in the know..."

its real funny how some are so quick to back up one person and have no clue who said what. If you are so close knit with the team and the precious Mr. Katz, why dont you ask him what Walter's injury is. It wasn't like Walter didnt tell him..

 

[heyihavenoidea]

What do you expect Katz to say? Jackson quits on the team right before the start of league, should Katz say the Hornets have no chance without him? The Hornets should give up for the rest of the year? Or should he keep working and trying to compete with what he has?

Haven't you guys heard a Coach quoted in the media before? It's all BS! They never tell you what is really going on. We may never find out what really happened. As far as McGhee, think what you want. How has he done since leaving Sac? I haven't been following him.

What should we expect him to say?? As a Division I coach, you would expect him to say something more educated-thats for sure..he sounded like his feelings were hurt..like a kid lashing out after a tantrum... The key is ...did Jackson quit the team???

The answer is NO! He had an injury.
While reporting this to the coach before practice,
He was bullied off the team. End of story... for now.

So what is this injury, since you seem to be in the know...

It is a documented injury, since it is documented regarding this HIPAA rights come into play it would be for Mr Jackson to disclose to the public. There is an injury involved no matter what it was/is there were proper procedures to handle this situation which were not followed.

 

[Kadeezy]

Posters on the board know I'm not a fan of Katz and I left the program when Jenkins did not have his contract renewed. That being said, under Katz, there have been more players disappearing in the last 4 years than I could recall over the entire duration of the Jenkins era.

Some folks refer to the departures as restoring the culture, or cleaning house, but dammit people, Katz is the guy who picked who gets to "live in the house"... There's no possible way he's blameless in this. He comes off as arrogant and his coach speak has worn thin with me. The Walter Jackson situation is a microcosm of Katz's time here, and this discussion will not go away.

 

[heyihavenoidea]

Posters on the board know I'm not a fan of Katz and I left the program when Jenkins did not have his contract renewed. That being said, under Katz, there have been more players disappearing in the last 4 years than I could recall over the entire duration of the Jenkins era.

Some folks refer to the departures as restoring the culture, or cleaning house, but dammit people, Katz is the guy who picked who gets to "live in the house"... There's no possible way he's blameless in this. He comes off as arrogant and his coach speak has worn thin with me. The Walter Jackson situation is a microcosm of Katz's time here, and this discussion will not go away.

The problem is many uphold Mr Katz, he is in my eyes the "John Edwards" of the coaching world!!! He is the recruiting players with false promises.. He cant handle when things dont go his way, has anyone sat near him during a game..a belittles his players AND his assistant coaches...it is sad. Whats even sadder is that Sac gave him a contract that long with out him proving himself on a Div I level. He is not blameless...he doesnt want the players to look to look to anyone but him. He wants to be their "daddy" and its getting bad. Maybe he has no control at home I don't know. And Kadezy you are right the discussion will not go away.
Jackson played with him over 5 years even before he coached for Sac state, Jackson is humble and a very soft spoken gentleman. So if you put that together with Katz arrogance you can paint the picture of what happened. Katz wants to win..Jackson had an injury, Katz gave ultimatum play hurt or dont play at all...what road would you take?

 

[EarleHornet]

The problem is many uphold Mr Katz, he is in my eyes the "John Edwards" of the coaching world!!! He is the recruiting players with false promises.. He cant handle when things dont go his way, has anyone sat near him during a game..a belittles his players AND his assistant coaches...it is sad. Whats even sadder is that Sac gave him a contract that long with out him proving himself on a Div I level. He is not blameless...he doesnt want the players to look to look to anyone but him. He wants to be their "daddy" and its getting bad. Maybe he has no control at home I don't know. And Kadezy you are right the discussion will not go away.
Jackson played with him over 5 years even before he coached for Sac state, Jackson is humble and a very soft spoken gentleman. So if you put that together with Katz arrogance you can paint the picture of what happened. Katz wants to win..Jackson had an injury, Katz gave ultimatum play hurt or dont play at all...what road would you take?

Let's look at this with a little common sense...

Let's see... Jackson was around Katz before Sac State... Jackson sampled the Katz coaching philosophy before Sac State, hated it, and still signed up for another 3 years of it??? Now, after 5 years of this "torture" we hear about it??? Hmmmmm...

Did Jackson quit or was it an injury? Let me guess, why is this important? If he quit, I'm assuming, no more scholarship. If it's an injury, scholarship continues. Sounds like someone might have acted before they thought things through.

 

[jon]

Posters on the board know I'm not a fan of Katz and I left the program when Jenkins did not have his contract renewed. That being said, under Katz, there have been more players disappearing in the last 4 years than I could recall over the entire duration of the Jenkins era.

Some folks refer to the departures as restoring the culture, or cleaning house, but dammit people, Katz is the guy who picked who gets to "live in the house"... There's no possible way he's blameless in this. He comes off as arrogant and his coach speak has worn thin with me. The Walter Jackson situation is a microcosm of Katz's time here, and this discussion will not go away.

This is one point I have been trying to make on my blog... a lot of people commenting on my site have talked about how Katz is restoring discipline, and other things like that... but is it really restoring discipline if you are the guy that brought the players that "can't handle it" into the program in the first place?

It is like some people seem to be speaking out of both sides of their mouth... they excuse double digit guys leaving the program in a short span, saying some players can't handle his style because they don't have discipline, but Katz gets none of the blame for bringing the players into the program in the first place. It is a bit strange.

 

[SDHornet]

Jon, as with any issue you are going to have people on both sides of the fence. I just think you are just hearing two sides of the issue from different people. Katz is in his 4th year here and anyone who says Katz has zero responsibility with the current status of the program (wins/losses, off-court issues, academic issues, players leaving, etc) has their head firmly planted in the sand. He still has time to prove the detractors wrong and winning will shut everyone up, but people (me included) are fed up with the stagnant state of the program and the excuses associated with not getting wins against comparable programs.

 

[heyihavenoidea]

The problem is many uphold Mr Katz, he is in my eyes the "John Edwards" of the coaching world!!! He is the recruiting players with false promises.. He cant handle when things dont go his way, has anyone sat near him during a game..a belittles his players AND his assistant coaches...it is sad. Whats even sadder is that Sac gave him a contract that long with out him proving himself on a Div I level. He is not blameless...he doesnt want the players to look to look to anyone but him. He wants to be their "daddy" and its getting bad. Maybe he has no control at home I don't know. And Kadezy you are right the discussion will not go away.
Jackson played with him over 5 years even before he coached for Sac state, Jackson is humble and a very soft spoken gentleman. So if you put that together with Katz arrogance you can paint the picture of what happened. Katz wants to win..Jackson had an injury, Katz gave ultimatum play hurt or dont play at all...what road would you take?

Let's look at this with a little common sense...

Let's see... Jackson was around Katz before Sac State... Jackson sampled the Katz coaching philosophy before Sac State, hated it, and still signed up for another 3 years of it??? Now, after 5 years of this "torture" we hear about it??? Hmmmmm...

Did Jackson quit or was it an injury? Let me guess, why is this important? If he quit, I'm assuming, no more scholarship. If it's an injury, scholarship continues. Sounds like someone might have acted before they thought things through.

Bottom line..it was an injury... he did not quit, the scholarship is not a factor, he was bullied off the team when he told had coach he had an injury. Yes he has dealt with Katz this long and where did he say he was tortured..he had an injury and the report was not handled correctly. The only person who acted before he though things through was Katz...look at the karma he is bringing to the team after this!!

 

[SDHornet]

Per SSS:

Sacramento State’s shooting woes were highlighted by Jackson Carbajal, who missed his first nine attempts before finally getting a layup to fall with 11:24 to play in the second.

I wonder if Katz still isn't concerned?