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Week 4 - Sac State @ Idaho State

GreenArmySwarm said:
BuckeyeHornetFan said:
:rofl:
GreenArmySwarm said:
GreenArmySwarm said:
GreenArmySwarm said:
Q1

Dunniway holding the ball forever and then some (needs to throw the ball away if there’s no open receiver). Taking sacks at the worst time (taking the Hornets out of field goal position).

The QB play continues to be a concern. O-line can only do so much…(and they’re not perfect either). Helping this Idaho State Defense look like a force when they’re far from it

1 min left update: perfect wheel route call from TT. Dunniway delivers a solid throw and wide open field for Marcus Fulcher

30 secs update: special team play continues to be a joke. ANOTHER 99yd TD from opponents special team. They need to be better. Period.

Q2 update:
Another back up QB comes in. Another back up QB torches the Hornets’ secondary. Undisciplined. Bad techniques. You name it

Embarrassing 1st half. IDST is awful.

Sorry folks, this team just doesn’t reflect a well-coached team.

How many pre-snap penalties does this o-line commit every game? How many times do these DB’s get beat deep and never find the ball if they manage to catch up? Safety has deep help and is jogging.

Offense is very predictable at times. They run a lot of the same concepts and all O’Hara seemingly ever looks to do is run.

Special teams are down right pathetic.

And worse yet the Hornets are now allowing freshman to come in and dominant them.

Good, great, grand, wonderful.

Agreed 100%. Defense just getting bullied by a terrible offense with a backup freshman QB. Have yet to generate any meaningful turnovers. Only way Defense gets off the field is if they get lucky and QB is playing below average.

When O’Hara is in, he doesn’t even bother to throw the ball. And when he does, it doesn’t look good. The opposite when Dunniway is in. When someone breathes on him, it’s a sack. Absolute 0 mobility. On top of that, Dunniway has missed some wide open receivers because he locked in on his first option and forces it in there. The worst type of offense is a predictable one and TT has one under his helm at the moment.

Only positive so far in Week 4 is KS, the FG kicker. Solid rebound from a very rough week 3 at Cal. Nailing a 49, 40+ and 30+ yarder to keep your team in the game is how you bounce back! Proud of this kid!

Oh boy, another failed 3rd down attempt. Counting on the Defense to hold
 
GreenArmySwarm said:
GreenArmySwarm said:
BuckeyeHornetFan said:
:rofl:
GreenArmySwarm said:
GreenArmySwarm said:
GreenArmySwarm said:
Q1

Dunniway holding the ball forever and then some (needs to throw the ball away if there’s no open receiver). Taking sacks at the worst time (taking the Hornets out of field goal position).

The QB play continues to be a concern. O-line can only do so much…(and they’re not perfect either). Helping this Idaho State Defense look like a force when they’re far from it

1 min left update: perfect wheel route call from TT. Dunniway delivers a solid throw and wide open field for Marcus Fulcher

30 secs update: special team play continues to be a joke. ANOTHER 99yd TD from opponents special team. They need to be better. Period.

Q2 update:
Another back up QB comes in. Another back up QB torches the Hornets’ secondary. Undisciplined. Bad techniques. You name it

Embarrassing 1st half. IDST is awful.

Sorry folks, this team just doesn’t reflect a well-coached team.

How many pre-snap penalties does this o-line commit every game? How many times do these DB’s get beat deep and never find the ball if they manage to catch up? Safety has deep help and is jogging.

Offense is very predictable at times. They run a lot of the same concepts and all O’Hara seemingly ever looks to do is run.

Special teams are down right pathetic.

And worse yet the Hornets are now allowing freshman to come in and dominant them.

Good, great, grand, wonderful.

Agreed 100%. Defense just getting bullied by a terrible offense with a backup freshman QB. Have yet to generate any meaningful turnovers. Only way Defense gets off the field is if they get lucky and QB is playing below average.

When O’Hara is in, he doesn’t even bother to throw the ball. And when he does, it doesn’t look good. The opposite when Dunniway is in. When someone breathes on him, it’s a sack. Absolute 0 mobility. On top of that, Dunniway has missed some wide open receivers because he locked in on his first option and forces it in there. The worst type of offense is a predictable one and TT has one under his helm at the moment.

Only positive so far in Week 4 is KS, the FG kicker. Solid rebound from a very rough week 3 at Cal. Nailing a 49, 40+ and 30+ yarder to keep your team in the game is how you bounce back! Proud of this kid!

Oh boy, another failed 3rd down attempt. Counting on the Defense to hold

and they DO!!!!!
 
Hornets escape. My God what a horrible game by the Hornets and an absolutely atrocious game plan/play calling by Taylor. This is an L if the ISU starter doesn't get hurt in the 2Q. Red Zone offense is total garbage.

Game ball to Sentkowski. Huge bounce back game for him.

I'll let this digest and post more thought later....it's so exhausting being a Hornet fan...
 
GreenArmySwarm said:
GreenArmySwarm said:
GreenArmySwarm said:
BuckeyeHornetFan said:
:rofl:
GreenArmySwarm said:
GreenArmySwarm said:
GreenArmySwarm said:
Q1

Dunniway holding the ball forever and then some (needs to throw the ball away if there’s no open receiver). Taking sacks at the worst time (taking the Hornets out of field goal position).

The QB play continues to be a concern. O-line can only do so much…(and they’re not perfect either). Helping this Idaho State Defense look like a force when they’re far from it

1 min left update: perfect wheel route call from TT. Dunniway delivers a solid throw and wide open field for Marcus Fulcher

30 secs update: special team play continues to be a joke. ANOTHER 99yd TD from opponents special team. They need to be better. Period.

Q2 update:
Another back up QB comes in. Another back up QB torches the Hornets’ secondary. Undisciplined. Bad techniques. You name it

Embarrassing 1st half. IDST is awful.

Sorry folks, this team just doesn’t reflect a well-coached team.

How many pre-snap penalties does this o-line commit every game? How many times do these DB’s get beat deep and never find the ball if they manage to catch up? Safety has deep help and is jogging.

Offense is very predictable at times. They run a lot of the same concepts and all O’Hara seemingly ever looks to do is run.

Special teams are down right pathetic.

And worse yet the Hornets are now allowing freshman to come in and dominant them.

Good, great, grand, wonderful.

Agreed 100%. Defense just getting bullied by a terrible offense with a backup freshman QB. Have yet to generate any meaningful turnovers. Only way Defense gets off the field is if they get lucky and QB is playing below average.

When O’Hara is in, he doesn’t even bother to throw the ball. And when he does, it doesn’t look good. The opposite when Dunniway is in. When someone breathes on him, it’s a sack. Absolute 0 mobility. On top of that, Dunniway has missed some wide open receivers because he locked in on his first option and forces it in there. The worst type of offense is a predictable one and TT has one under his helm at the moment.

Only positive so far in Week 4 is KS, the FG kicker. Solid rebound from a very rough week 3 at Cal. Nailing a 49, 40+ and 30+ yarder to keep your team in the game is how you bounce back! Proud of this kid!

Oh boy, another failed 3rd down attempt. Counting on the Defense to hold

and they DO!!!!!

Positives:
-a BSC win.
-FG kicker rebounded from a terrible week 3. He won us the game this week!…andddd that’s it

Negatives: everything else.
This Idaho State team is NOT good. They’re one of the worst teams so far in the BSC. And they were down to their THIRD string freshman QB by the start of the 4th quarter. And they had a chance to win it at the end. If their FG kicker didn’t miss the 30 yd FG, they would be walking out of this game with a win.

“Rust” can’t be excuse anymore. College Football is literally heading into week 5. This is concerning to say the very least
 
SDHornet said:
Hornets escape. My God what a horrible game by the Hornets and an absolutely atrocious game plan/play calling by Taylor. This is an L if the ISU starter doesn't get hurt in the 2Q. Red Zone offense is total garbage.

Game ball to Sentkowski. Huge bounce back game for him.

I'll let this digest and post more thought later....it's so exhausting being a Hornet fan...

Complete agreement 🥴
 
GreenArmySwarm said:
Positives:
-a BSC win.
-FG kicker rebounded from a terrible week 3. He won us the game this week!…andddd that’s it

Negatives: everything else.
This Idaho State team is NOT good. They’re one of the worst teams so far in the BSC. And they were down to their THIRD string freshman QB by the start of the 4th quarter. And they had a chance to win it at the end. If their FG kicker didn’t miss the 30 yd FG, they would be walking out of this game with a win.

“Rust” can’t be excuse anymore. College Football is literally heading into week 5. This is concerning to say the very least

Agreed. Hornets were rolling in the 5 wideout look with Dunniway slinging it around. Then we'd get inside the redzone and Talyor would trot O'Hara out there only to lose all offensive momentum as ISU stacked the box knowing there was little to no chance he'd throw the ball with an RPO look. Then trot Dunniway back out there for a long third down to throw into 8 defenders back in coverage on a short field. Just awful. Let Dunniway hand the ball to Perk/Dot/Fulch and be done with it, and let O'Hara carry the clipboard.

This QB platoon just needs to stop already.
 
Apparently, this is another case of a Yahoo scoring error. Venus over at CS Fans says that Yahoo gave the Bungles a phony 3Q safety, so Sac wins 23-21. That doesn't explain the "no-contest" at NCAA, though. SMH....
 
The return flight back to Sac is now showing on FlightAware:

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/id/AAY4052-1632612634-9-1-48
 
SDHornet said:
Looking at the 2-deep, it looks like the Hornets will be going with an all FR lineup on the left side of the OL. Hafoka started at LG last week so that is not new, but Garza is getting the start for Stiefel at LT. I saw one of the OL go down at Cal so I'm guessing that's who it was.

I think we'll see Dunniway get the start at QB.

Probably not much changes on the defensive side for this game.

Stiefel posted on Twitter he tore a bicep and was out for the season on Thursday.
 
The offense clearly runs better with Dunniway throwing the ball. Like SD said, let him sling it and hand off the ball.

O’Hara has not impressed - I’m convinced our QB options are/were better than MTSU’s, yikes…
 
SDHornet said:
Hornets were rolling in the 5 wideout look with Dunniway slinging it around. Then we'd get inside the redzone and Talyor would trot O'Hara out there only to lose all offensive momentum as ISU stacked the box knowing there was little to no chance he'd throw the ball with an RPO look. Then trot Dunniway back out there for a long third down to throw into 8 defenders back in coverage on a short field. Just awful. Let Dunniway hand the ball to Perk/Dot/Fulch and be done with it, and let O'Hara carry the clipboard.

This QB platoon just needs to stop already.

^^THIS.
I know I gave Jake Dunniway a lot of grief recently. But I've done a 180 on the topic.

Dunniway is clearly the better passing option of the two guys TT has elected to go with. O'Hara looks to be a one-trick pony.

The 2 QB system is not only predictable, but is killing any rhythm and mojo Dunniway and the passing game gets going.

It's one thing to switch personnel and go QB run with O'Hara situationally -- like Kyle Shanahan does with Trey Lance and like what Sean Payton has done with Taysom Hill -- but altogether different in how TT is implementing it.

Why an offensive genius like TT can't see the downside of turning on the carousel during the middle of drives escapes me.

What happened to the notion of giving both QB's an equal shot before Big Sky play? We're now in Big Sky play and he's still opting for this dysfunctional 2 QB system. I don't get it.

Furthermore I am still failing to understand why Elijah Dotson has seemingly become a permanent decoy. The kid went from one of the best offensive players in the Big Sky to a complete scrub. I don't believe Dot has suddenly lost the ability to play at the same level, so the obvious answer for the steep decline is usage.

I get that the Hornets are blessed with a lot of RB talent. I like Perk and Fulcher a lot. They should get carries. But subbing Dot in and out every other play and then faking it to him on end arounds and rarely looking his way in the pass game except for the emergency outlet has essentially taken him out of the game plan. I'm sure our opponents are thankful they don't have to account for him.

Seriously, if the idea is to line up in the wildcat to maximize blockers -- just put Dot back there at QB and let him run it. O'Hara is rarely throwing it anyway and if the defense is going to be tipped off to it being a run regardless, who would you rather be running the ball? O'Hara or Dot??

Circling back to Jake Dunniway, when he wasn't being torpedoed by his own HC I thought he was playing really well -- again. And he did so w/o Marshel Martin.

Time to let the kid play full time w/o having to leave the field much. Between Marshel Martin, Pierre Williams and the rest of the WR talent on the team, might as well slinging it most every down (and the fact that they seem adverse to running Dot much).
 
Do you guys get the feeling that Taylor might be looking at a system like Sean Payton had going on with Brees and Hill? It clearly worked for them, but it doesn't seem like it's working for Taylor. If he wants a decent example currently happening (as it seems like Payton isn't bothering with it now that Brees has retired and he's going almost full-bore with Winston), perhaps it would be the way the 49ers (how I HATE the 49ers!) are using Jimmy Garoppolo and Trey Lance. I even liked how they brought Kyle Juszczyk in motion to take a direct snap under center to kill the idea of Lance being strictly a Wildcat guy. Maybe we can adapt to a two-QB system in that fashion, but if switching QBs is happening in a random fashion that kills momentum, then, as BHF mentioned, perhaps it's time to scrap it and gain momentum with ONE guy....
 
23-21 Hornet win. Watched some of the replay, as they say a win is a win and a road win is even better. This game shouldn't have been this close but the Hornets pulled it off. The only thing worse than this bad performance was the potato camera ISU used to film the game. I thought the ESPN+ deal was going to raise the standards here?

Defense came through when needed. Secondary had issues but they got stops and TOs in critical situations...even if it was against a backup FR QB. A second half shutout is a shutout nonetheless. DL wasn't as dominant as I expected them to be, and only getting one sack was a disappointment but they held stout in the critical moments. Not good to see Hawkins escorted off the field by the trainers every other play.

Offense looked good at times, and downright horrendous at others. We've touched on the concerns and issues with the QB platoon idea. Personally I think it has ran its course. Better defenses will feast on the play calling predictability that comes with the QB rotation. Hornets were fortunate to not be playing a good defense.

Dunniway looked great throwing the ball. He does appear to lock on a target pre-snap instead of going to some of his check down targets which were open underneath all game at ISU. He also got into trouble with sacks from holding onto the ball too long. ISU came into the game with 0 sacks and the Hornets gave up 3.

Receivers had a solid game. A few drops hurt drives but the TEs stepped up with Martin out.

Running backs get an incomplete as the gameplan just wasn't very focused on their use. Too much east and west and not enough north and south when they did get their number called.

Special teams won the game on the leg of Sentkowski. Kick coverage needs to get sorted out. Back to back games included big return TDs by the opponent. Big returns like that can't be allowed to happen.

Also still way too many penalties. 11 penalties for 89 yards hurts. A lot of them were pre-snap calls. 

The bye week couldn't have come at a better time.
 

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