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[Eagle1990]

This is funny. White people discriminating against other white people??? Really??? :roll:

There is nothing to see here folks, just keep moving along.

 

[eags-voiceofreason]

Is it OK to discriminate against knobjobs like Eagle1990?

 

[eags-voiceofreason]

Just kidding, 1990....

 

[oldtimeewualum]

I love this - dissension in the ranks! To be honest, I have read and re-read and have not been able to find even the slightest bit of racism. Maybe it is because I am trying to wrap my head around the earlier comment about how hard our team plays and not seeing a lack of effort. I could not possibly disagree more.

Defense and rebounding are the best indicators of hustle and playing hard. In the games that I saw in person, our team did not pass the eye test in either of these categories. Statistically, we dont pass muster in those areas either.

This team did NOT play hard.

 

[Eagle1990]

I cannot believe this racist crap
This is not funny, this is RACIST and shouldn't be tolerated!
Go eags :|

Aussie fan, you are a moron. Don't fill my inbox with bs like you sent me and I quote

"Definition of Racism as per Oxford Dictionary is:

the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics,
abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to
distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races:

prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a
different race based on the belief that one’s own race is superior:

As you can see RACIST has nothing to do with Colour. Mind you all the
international players are NOT Caucasian one is COLOURED (half Indian). My
belief is that the players do read these posts, hence my dismay at these
racist taunts. I enjoy a joke as much as the next, but our young players do deserve this crap"

The irony is that YOU use the term "colured" to describe a player. That IS considered racist here in the states and hasn't been used in popular culture since the 1960's. This is a perfect example of "the pot calling the kettle coloured".

Nothing racist was said or alluded to in the original postings. Go back to finger banging kangaroos.

 

[Rontheoldwiseeagle]

Nothing racist was said or alluded to in the original postings. Go back to finger banging kangaroos.
Can you do that?
I have never been Downunder and would love to go as well as New Zealand.

But, are the kangaroos that dossal? reallly! Can you have a relationship with them like the Griz do with Montana sheep?

 

[clawman1]

Nothing racist was said or alluded to in the original postings. Go back to finger banging kangaroos.
Can you do that?
I have never been Downunder and would love to go as well as New Zealand.

But, are the kangaroos that dossal? reallly! Can you have a relationship with them like the Griz do with Montana sheep?

Kind of crossing the line here Ron. Can't say I see any humor in your response.

 

[EWU98]

Nothing racist was said or alluded to in the original postings. Go back to finger banging kangaroos.
Can you do that?
I have never been Downunder and would love to go as well as New Zealand.

But, are the kangaroos that dossal? reallly! Can you have a relationship with them like the Griz do with Montana sheep?

Kind of crossing the line here Ron. Can't say I see any humor in your response.

Sorry the last line from Ron was pretty funny especially when he threw in the word "dossal." I giggled.

 

[LDopaPDX]

Nothing racist was said or alluded to in the original postings. Go back to finger banging kangaroos.
Can you do that?
I have never been Downunder and would love to go as well as New Zealand.

But, are the kangaroos that dossal? reallly! Can you have a relationship with them like the Griz do with Montana sheep?

I'm impressed. I like this new feisty side.

Sadly, the most common experience with kangaroos you get in Australia is seeing one dead on the side of the road.

 

[Obzerver]

Love me some Captain Kangaroo...

 

[GoldenEagle]

Wow, I wonder what trajectory this thread would have taken if I would have just ignored the troll “WSUnPurple”?

 

[Larry Weir]

This is my 2cents:
1. No emphasis on defense by the coaching staff (don't believe me look at shooting %)
2. Offense focused more on getting a 3 point shot
3. No inside post game at all..Not emphasized see #2
4. Poor free-throw shooting
5. Lack of half-time adjustments or in-game adjustments by the coaching staff
6. Use the excuse of being young to cover up 1 thru 5 (we are 29 games into the season)
7. I could go on and on but I am too frustrated that we are at the bottom of a very bad conference so I'll stop at 7

I told myself I wasn't going to respond to things written on this board any longer, but decided what the hell since I logged in to correct the tiebreaker thread. I'm not calling out any one poster, even though I copied Eagle1's post above. I'm just reacting to what I have read while sitting here in Pocatello this morning.

I'm not sure why people are unhappy about the defense this year. Since league play started, EWU has held the opponent to 40% shooting or less in 11 of 20 games. Only one team has shot 50% or better in that time and only six have shot 45% or better. Yes, they were bad in the half-court and horrible in transition defense in the non-league schedule. But they got that straightened out in December when they had some time to practice at home. Remember, they played the first six games on the road and that cuts down on time to work on things during longer practices when the team is at home.

The offense was focused on the 3 because that's what they do best. Now, there will be a focus on the 3 regardless with this staff, but neither Seiferth or Jois are comfortable playing with their back to the basket. Neither has post moves they can use to get shots off down low. It's a different style of basketball overseas and it's going to take time for these guys to adjust. My hope is in this off-season that both those guys continue to work on their strength and also work on developing some moves they can use in the low post so EWU can throw the ball in there for a high-percentage shot when needed. Right now, EWU's best guys in the post (for scoring ability) are Kelly and Harvey.

This team is young. Six freshmen or sophomores are seeing fairly decent playing time this year and that's more than anyone in the league. Yes, they have 30 games of experience now. But so does everyone else who are playing juniors and seniors. So these guys still have one or two fewer years of experience than the guys they are playing against. Then when you factor in that four of those six are from overseas and are not just adjusting to college life, but a new country, a new language (in the German's case) and a new style of play, it's been difficult this year.

The Big Sky has been weak this year, but don't think it's as bad as the various ratings suggest. There are teams in the league that didn't have a non-conference home game in November or December. Too many teams have to play guarantee games to balance the budget and many of those teams are in hard-to-get-to places. Who wants to come up to Pocatello, Cedar City, Flagstaff, Greeley or Grand Forks to play? And you could probably throw Montana and Spokane in there as well. They are all hard to get to and no one recruits in those areas. And with the 20 game conference schedule and pre-Christmas start, teams had four or five weeks to get 9-10 non-league games in. I think the 5-6 record in the Bracket Busters was more indicative of how good/bad this conference is, rather than the November/December record.

This was a rare year for EWU with a decent non-league schedule, though. There were no body-bag games against top 25 teams from power conferences and there were three home games in November and December. My expectations were higher for this team because of that, but I didn't see the challenges that they did have to face. I do like that this team showed improvement in many areas as the season progressed. Let's see what the players do to improve in the off-season and who the coaches recruit this spring.

The BSC should be better next year...NO. Colo, returns their team, North Dakota returns several good players as does Weber. Montana loses Cherry and Ward, but have everyone else back. NAU has a great recruiting class and some starters back. MSU returns a lot as well. But EWU will still be a young team as they will have only one senior on the team in Ivan Dorsey. The coaches will have some time to help these returning players work on their game and make their improvements. If they can, I like the chances of this squad to contend. We'll see what happens.

Sorry for the length of this post and thanks to all for their support of the university.

 

[Obzerver]

Respect...

 

[Sylvergunsuperman]

This is my 2cents:
1. No emphasis on defense by the coaching staff (don't believe me look at shooting %)
2. Offense focused more on getting a 3 point shot
3. No inside post game at all..Not emphasized see #2
4. Poor free-throw shooting
5. Lack of half-time adjustments or in-game adjustments by the coaching staff
6. Use the excuse of being young to cover up 1 thru 5 (we are 29 games into the season)
7. I could go on and on but I am too frustrated that we are at the bottom of a very bad conference so I'll stop at 7

I told myself I wasn't going to respond to things written on this board any longer, but decided what the hell since I logged in to correct the tiebreaker thread. I'm not calling out any one poster, even though I copied Eagle1's post above. I'm just reacting to what I have read while sitting here in Pocatello this morning.

I'm not sure why people are unhappy about the defense this year. Since league play started, EWU has held the opponent to 40% shooting or less in 11 of 20 games. Only one team has shot 50% or better in that time and only six have shot 45% or better. Yes, they were bad in the half-court and horrible in transition defense in the non-league schedule. But they got that straightened out in December when they had some time to practice at home. Remember, they played the first six games on the road and that cuts down on time to work on things during longer practices when the team is at home.

The offense was focused on the 3 because that's what they do best. Now, there will be a focus on the 3 regardless with this staff, but neither Seiferth or Jois are comfortable playing with their back to the basket. Neither has post moves they can use to get shots off down low. It's a different style of basketball overseas and it's going to take time for these guys to adjust. My hope is in this off-season that both those guys continue to work on their strength and also work on developing some moves they can use in the low post so EWU can throw the ball in there for a high-percentage shot when needed. Right now, EWU's best guys in the post (for scoring ability) are Kelly and Harvey.

This team is young. Six freshmen or sophomores are seeing fairly decent playing time this year and that's more than anyone in the league. Yes, they have 30 games of experience now. But so does everyone else who are playing juniors and seniors. So these guys still have one or two fewer years of experience than the guys they are playing against. Then when you factor in that four of those six are from overseas and are not just adjusting to college life, but a new country, a new language (in the German's case) and a new style of play, it's been difficult this year.

The Big Sky has been weak this year, but don't think it's as bad as the various ratings suggest. There are teams in the league that didn't have a non-conference home game in November or December. Too many teams have to play guarantee games to balance the budget and many of those teams are in hard-to-get-to places. Who wants to come up to Pocatello, Cedar City, Flagstaff, Greeley or Grand Forks to play? And you could probably throw Montana and Spokane in there as well. They are all hard to get to and no one recruits in those areas. And with the 20 game conference schedule and pre-Christmas start, teams had four or five weeks to get 9-10 non-league games in. I think the 5-6 record in the Bracket Busters was more indicative of how good/bad this conference is, rather than the November/December record.

This was a rare year for EWU with a decent non-league schedule, though. There were no body-bag games against top 25 teams from power conferences and there were three home games in November and December. My expectations were higher for this team because of that, but I didn't see the challenges that they did have to face. I do like that this team showed improvement in many areas as the season progressed. Let's see what the players do to improve in the off-season and who the coaches recruit this spring.

The BSC should be better next year...NO. Colo, returns their team, North Dakota returns several good players as does Weber. Montana loses Cherry and Ward, but have everyone else back. NAU has a great recruiting class and some starters back. MSU returns a lot as well. But EWU will still be a young team as they will have only one senior on the team in Ivan Dorsey. The coaches will have some time to help these returning players work on their game and make their improvements. If they can, I like the chances of this squad to contend. We'll see what happens.

Sorry for the length of this post and thanks to all for their support of the university.

:clap:

 

[marceagfan5]

This is my 2cents:
1. No emphasis on defense by the coaching staff (don't believe me look at shooting %)
2. Offense focused more on getting a 3 point shot
3. No inside post game at all..Not emphasized see #2
4. Poor free-throw shooting
5. Lack of half-time adjustments or in-game adjustments by the coaching staff
6. Use the excuse of being young to cover up 1 thru 5 (we are 29 games into the season)
7. I could go on and on but I am too frustrated that we are at the bottom of a very bad conference so I'll stop at 7

I told myself I wasn't going to respond to things written on this board any longer, but decided what the hell since I logged in to correct the tiebreaker thread. I'm not calling out any one poster, even though I copied Eagle1's post above. I'm just reacting to what I have read while sitting here in Pocatello this morning.

I'm not sure why people are unhappy about the defense this year. Since league play started, EWU has held the opponent to 40% shooting or less in 11 of 20 games. Only one team has shot 50% or better in that time and only six have shot 45% or better. Yes, they were bad in the half-court and horrible in transition defense in the non-league schedule. But they got that straightened out in December when they had some time to practice at home. Remember, they played the first six games on the road and that cuts down on time to work on things during longer practices when the team is at home.

The offense was focused on the 3 because that's what they do best. Now, there will be a focus on the 3 regardless with this staff, but neither Seiferth or Jois are comfortable playing with their back to the basket. Neither has post moves they can use to get shots off down low. It's a different style of basketball overseas and it's going to take time for these guys to adjust. My hope is in this off-season that both those guys continue to work on their strength and also work on developing some moves they can use in the low post so EWU can throw the ball in there for a high-percentage shot when needed. Right now, EWU's best guys in the post (for scoring ability) are Kelly and Harvey.

This team is young. Six freshmen or sophomores are seeing fairly decent playing time this year and that's more than anyone in the league. Yes, they have 30 games of experience now. But so does everyone else who are playing juniors and seniors. So these guys still have one or two fewer years of experience than the guys they are playing against. Then when you factor in that four of those six are from overseas and are not just adjusting to college life, but a new country, a new language (in the German's case) and a new style of play, it's been difficult this year.

The Big Sky has been weak this year, but don't think it's as bad as the various ratings suggest. There are teams in the league that didn't have a non-conference home game in November or December. Too many teams have to play guarantee games to balance the budget and many of those teams are in hard-to-get-to places. Who wants to come up to Pocatello, Cedar City, Flagstaff, Greeley or Grand Forks to play? And you could probably throw Montana and Spokane in there as well. They are all hard to get to and no one recruits in those areas. And with the 20 game conference schedule and pre-Christmas start, teams had four or five weeks to get 9-10 non-league games in. I think the 5-6 record in the Bracket Busters was more indicative of how good/bad this conference is, rather than the November/December record.

This was a rare year for EWU with a decent non-league schedule, though. There were no body-bag games against top 25 teams from power conferences and there were three home games in November and December. My expectations were higher for this team because of that, but I didn't see the challenges that they did have to face. I do like that this team showed improvement in many areas as the season progressed. Let's see what the players do to improve in the off-season and who the coaches recruit this spring.

The BSC should be better next year...NO. Colo, returns their team, North Dakota returns several good players as does Weber. Montana loses Cherry and Ward, but have everyone else back. NAU has a great recruiting class and some starters back. MSU returns a lot as well. But EWU will still be a young team as they will have only one senior on the team in Ivan Dorsey. The coaches will have some time to help these returning players work on their game and make their improvements. If they can, I like the chances of this squad to contend. We'll see what happens.

Sorry for the length of this post and thanks to all for their support of the university.

Great Post Larry, and you know this team better than anyone on this board. Hard to disagree. I think a lot of us (myself included) had higher expectations this year looking at our schedule and with the promising recruits we had coming in. Hopefully a great off season and another year in the program will do wonders for the freshman and sophomores....and this year isn't over yet....

 

[LDopaPDX]

Too many teams have to play guarantee games to balance the budget and many of those teams are in hard-to-get-to places. Who wants to come up to Pocatello, Cedar City, Flagstaff, Greeley or Grand Forks to play? And you could probably throw Montana and Spokane in there as well. They are all hard to get to and no one recruits in those areas.

I'd agree with most of what was posted except this part. At least, not so far as Eastern can make this excuse. Spokane has a fairly major airport compared to most other areas near a college town. Getting into and out of Cheney is simple. Hell, Gonzaga is located as far from the Spokane airport as Eastern is, and they don't seem to have any trouble whatsoever getting teams to come to their campus to play. In fact, outside of SacTown and Portland, Eastern is probably the easiest trip for any team visiting the Big Sky Conference... maybe you could throw Ogden into that as well.

 

[marceagfan5]

Too many teams have to play guarantee games to balance the budget and many of those teams are in hard-to-get-to places. Who wants to come up to Pocatello, Cedar City, Flagstaff, Greeley or Grand Forks to play? And you could probably throw Montana and Spokane in there as well. They are all hard to get to and no one recruits in those areas.

I'd agree with most of what was posted except this part. At least, not so far as Eastern can make this excuse. Spokane has a fairly major airport compared to most other areas near a college town. Getting into and out of Cheney is simple. Hell, Gonzaga is located as far from the Spokane airport as Eastern is, and they don't seem to have any trouble whatsoever getting teams to come to their campus to play. In fact, outside of SacTown and Portland, Eastern is probably the easiest trip for any team visiting the Big Sky Conference... maybe you could throw Ogden into that as well.

tough comparison with Gonzaga. Pretty sure they have their own Jet and they have gaggles of donor $$$ coming in for their b-ball program. They also pay teams to come in and have guaranteed TV $. On top of that, Gonzaga is a good game to have on your schedule, a game at EWU doesn't do a lot of good for other teams, especially the caliber of teams Gonzaga brings in.

Travel is a killer in the Big Sky, we may live by a major airport, but we still have to fly to these smaller cities with smaller airports. I can't imaging any of the Big Sky bball programs are profitable year in, year out. Maybe Weber because they draw so well...

 

[Larry Weir]

Dopa, my point was that Spokane is hard to get to for teams outside the conference. Primarily Big West or WCC teams for non-conference games. Alaska has dropped all direct flights to California from Spokane, so those teams have to go through Seattle or Portland to get to Spokane. It can make for a long day. The only cities with direct flights to Spokane now (to my knowledge) are Oakland on Southwest and LAX on Delta. But they only do one per day and the flight to Spokane from LAX is at night, so a team couldn't practice in Cheney the day before a game. And they just started that flight, so it wasn't an option this season.

Southland Conference schools would have to stop somewhere, probably either SLC or Denver and schools from the Midwest might choose Minneapolis, Chicago or Seattle, besides the SLC or Denver options. Anytime you can't fly direct, it's a deterrent. And if the weather is bad in Spokane...

GU is a different animal because they are paying people to come in and play. Or if it's a big fish, TV is involved in making the deal happen. Coaches have told me they have tried to get schools who come in for a payday either at GU or WSU to hang around a couple of days and play EWU in a home-and-home series and almost never get a taker. Scheduling any sport in the BSC is tough unless you can pay somebody. I think UM and MSU used to be able to pay for a couple of games in basketball when they used to draw and when the price was lower. Not any more...