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What is a realistic attendance average for this upcoming yr?

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5thAvenueVik

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Attendance goals to shoot for (Portland St average attendance last year was 7,296):

1. 8,547 D-III St. John's (Minnesota) average---highest for D-III.
D-IAA/FCS Villanova and Western Carolina level.
D-IA/FBS Florida Atlantic level. /users/31/07/37/smiles/noidea.gif

2. 13,682 D-II Fort Valley State average---highest for D-II.
D-IAA/FCS Alcorn State and South Carolina State level.
D-IA/FBS Utah State and Louisiana-Lafayette level.
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3. 15,650 DI-AA/FCS Georgia Southern level.
D-IA/FBS North Texas level. /users/31/07/37/smiles/eusa_cla.gif

4. 18,560 D-IAA/FCS Yale University level.
D-IA/FBS Western Michigan level.
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5. 20,546 D-IAA Appalachian State level.
D-IA/FBS Cincinnati and Northern Illinois level.
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6. 22,600 D-IAA Montana level.
D-IA/FBS Middle Tennessee State and UAB level.
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7. 24,183 D-IA/FBS Colorado State level---given Eastside Grandstands. /users/31/07/37/smiles/595146.gif

8. 26,031 D-IA/FBS Marshall level---given Eastside Grandstands. /users/31/07/37/smiles/880372.gif

9. 28,633 D-IA/FBS New Mexico level---given Eastside Grandstands.
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10. 30,453 D-IA/FBS Boise State level---given Eastside Grandstands.
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Heck if 12K can got to a lacrosse game I would imagine the same could go to PSU fb games.

I say between #2 and #3 is a realistic average this year.
 
Current capacity... 19,980. Of course, nobody says if that includes the beer garden or party deck, and how many more they can squeeze in to those areas.

Pertinent question... if a game otherwise sold out, how much advance notice would the school need to request eastside bleachers be put up? Would PGE Park management allow that?

Comparison: Winter Hawks hockey, for the games they play in the Rose Garden, usually curtains off the 300 level. If they are reasonably close to lower bowl capacity 96 hours before faceoff, they will call in people to work (ushers, security, concessions) and open up 300-level seats.

OTOH, if plans are to maintain the kids area on the field, I doubt bleachers will even be considered. Walking before running, you know... and one or three sellouts will do wonders for putting the thought in peoples' minds that season tickets will become a necessity the next season. Pack mentality, ya know...
 
Pounder said:
Current capacity... 19,980. Of course, nobody says if that includes the beer garden or party deck, and how many more they can squeeze in to those areas.

Pertinent question... if a game otherwise sold out, how much advance notice would the school need to request eastside bleachers be put up? Would PGE Park management allow that?

Comparison: Winter Hawks hockey, for the games they play in the Rose Garden, usually curtains off the 300 level. If they are reasonably close to lower bowl capacity 96 hours before faceoff, they will call in people to work (ushers, security, concessions) and open up 300-level seats.

OTOH, if plans are to maintain the kids area on the field, I doubt bleachers will even be considered. Walking before running, you know... and one or three sellouts will do wonders for putting the thought in peoples' minds that season tickets will become a necessity the next season. Pack mentality, ya know...
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I think that kids area needs to be eliminated.
 
I don't think that it would necessarily need to be eliminated all together, just maybe downsized and put back up on the family deck where it used to be.
 
Best way to put it, IMO:

Sell out a game first, then deal with the kids' area. Until the reality is such that PSU can start talking about justifying renting the bleachers for the east side, it's not worth too much of a fight.

Of course, if PSU starts getting to that point, the question that perhaps should be posed is a new stadium. PGE Park might seat 20,000, but it's fitted with amenities to serve 11,000.
 
I think that to be considered a success, they need to average 15k. For the MSU game, I'd like to see a sellout. I think those are reasonable goals.
 
Can anyone tell us the 10 biggest home crowds in PSU football history? I'd like to know and then shoot for taking a couple of spots in the top 10 this year. Overall, I'd be happy with averaging 15,000 per game this season.
 
martymoose said:
Pounder said:
Current capacity... 19,980. Of course, nobody says if that includes the beer garden or party deck, and how many more they can squeeze in to those areas.

Pertinent question... if a game otherwise sold out, how much advance notice would the school need to request eastside bleachers be put up? Would PGE Park management allow that?

Comparison: Winter Hawks hockey, for the games they play in the Rose Garden, usually curtains off the 300 level. If they are reasonably close to lower bowl capacity 96 hours before faceoff, they will call in people to work (ushers, security, concessions) and open up 300-level seats.

OTOH, if plans are to maintain the kids area on the field, I doubt bleachers will even be considered. Walking before running, you know... and one or three sellouts will do wonders for putting the thought in peoples' minds that season tickets will become a necessity the next season. Pack mentality, ya know...
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I think that kids area needs to be eliminated.
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I'm with you. The kids area should be removed entirely or relocated away from the field level.
 
ManOfVision said:
martymoose said:
Pounder said:
Current capacity... 19,980. Of course, nobody says if that includes the beer garden or party deck, and how many more they can squeeze in to those areas.

Pertinent question... if a game otherwise sold out, how much advance notice would the school need to request eastside bleachers be put up? Would PGE Park management allow that?

Comparison: Winter Hawks hockey, for the games they play in the Rose Garden, usually curtains off the 300 level. If they are reasonably close to lower bowl capacity 96 hours before faceoff, they will call in people to work (ushers, security, concessions) and open up 300-level seats.

OTOH, if plans are to maintain the kids area on the field, I doubt bleachers will even be considered. Walking before running, you know... and one or three sellouts will do wonders for putting the thought in peoples' minds that season tickets will become a necessity the next season. Pack mentality, ya know...
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I think that kids area needs to be eliminated.
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I'm with you. The kids area should be removed entirely or relocated away from the field level.
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I disagree, the kids area is awesome, I don't have to pull teeth to get my young kids to go to games in fact they want to bring all of their friends, The kids area creates fun and since we have no band or other avenue for excitement family oriented action. Having said that if we do start pulling in 19K plus then get rid of the kids area and put in temp bleachers.
 
A realistic estimate would be 10,000 butts in the seats this year. The MSU game will probably not be a big attraction because of the problems they are having. The Davis game is a big game but comes too early, before the excitement can build. (Have classes started by that time?) The weather seems to be getting back to normal, meaning rain in the Fall. An average of ten thousand would probably pay the bills but would not leave much if any left over. Once we have reached the playoffs and won a game or two there, expectations should go to 15 to 20 thousand.
 
I feel a realistic goal for this year should be 10k. If we do well, make the playoffs and add in the boost we get when Montana comes then bump that up to 15k next year.

The foundation has been set, but the one thing that will effect attendance long term is winning. when we start making the playoffs on a consistent basis, the seats will really start filling up. Then we can start talking realistically about more seating or even a change of venue/new stadium.

I agree with what pounder said earlier, when attendance goes above 10k, PGE park can become an uncomfortable place to be. the Mariners exhibition game really showed that PGE park is not able to hold 20k on a regular basis.
 
Vikmania said:
I feel a realistic goal for this year should be 10k. If we do well, make the playoffs and add in the boost we get when Montana comes then bump that up to 15k next year.

The foundation has been set, but the one thing that will effect attendance long term is winning. when we start making the playoffs on a consistent basis, the seats will really start filling up. Then we can start talking realistically about more seating or even a change of venue/new stadium.

I agree with what pounder said earlier, when attendance goes above 10k, PGE park can become an uncomfortable place to be. the Mariners exhibition game really showed that PGE park is not able to hold 20k on a regular basis.
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I wasn't there what do you mean by the last part about the Mariners game, just the concessions and amenities?
 
The number of season tickets has more than doubled from that of last year. Would it not be reasonably safe to assume that curiosity about the Jerry and Mouse Athletic Showcase would naturally lead to a doubling of the walk-up ticket sales as well?

If so, I would expect the average game day attendance to more than double itself as well from that of last year (i.e. 2 x 7,296 = 14,592). So, my guess is an optimistic 15,000 per game---with a 5,000 attendance bonus for the first-round of the championship play-off series. It would garner a full house.

Then the real possibility of temporary eastside bleachers comes into play for play-off games two and three; the championship game being played deep in the heart of Dixie's Chattanooga, TN. I'm glad JG knows the South and would know how to prepare our team for the cultural shift as otherwise there would be a built-in advantage for contending southern teams like Appalachian State.

PSU lost to Troy State in the D-II Championship game played in Florence, AL. Troy State was located a mere 255 miles away from the game site while Portland State traveled nearly 10 times the distance (2417 miles). Arriving there, our players were hit with quite a culture shock, I'm sure. Not so for Troy State, the southern team on the marquee.

The South has sweet weather during that championship game time of the year, but I gotta think that when and if we, in fact, do go, we best keep our game faces on until after we have claimed our championship victory. Then---and only then---can we turn to enjoy the beauty and grace of southern hospitality. Not beforehand. Before the game, it acts on cultural non-natives as a seductive siren from to drain away athletic focus from the task at hand---it rewards prematurely. Cultural non-native preference then turns prematurely to the enjoyment of pleasure and grandeuristic expectation of continued pleasure from an assumed victory. Not the best mental attitude to carry into battle a priori. Meanwhile, the native southerner are delaying gratification until after they have claimed rights to it through victory. We have to match their strategy in order to have a game that is unadulterated and not weakened in will.
 
bigvik said:
Vikmania said:
I feel a realistic goal for this year should be 10k. If we do well, make the playoffs and add in the boost we get when Montana comes then bump that up to 15k next year.

The foundation has been set, but the one thing that will effect attendance long term is winning. when we start making the playoffs on a consistent basis, the seats will really start filling up. Then we can start talking realistically about more seating or even a change of venue/new stadium.

I agree with what pounder said earlier, when attendance goes above 10k, PGE park can become an uncomfortable place to be. the Mariners exhibition game really showed that PGE park is not able to hold 20k on a regular basis.
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I wasn't there what do you mean by the last part about the Mariners game, just the concessions and amenities?
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I'm pretty sure he means concessions and amenities. Even at 15k, the lines for the restrooms and concessions start to grow. The renovation of PGE Park did add some neat things like suites, but restrooms are still an issue...
 
An average of 10,000 would tell me the Glanvile and Davis hires were a success. Anything less would be a disappointment, anything more than 15,000 amazing.
 
my worry is that people are going to expect our attendance to rise too high too fast....hiring glanville represents a serious turnaround in PSU football but it is in no way an immediate change as far as attendance goes, i fully expect our attendance to rise, but for it to DOUBLE to 15,000 would be nice but certainly not realistic at all....i expect PGE attendance to go to around 10 thousand and I would be fully happy with that.....glanville is a great hire, but hes not a miracle man, he will get the attendance up from last year and in a few years we will be back near the top of the big sky attendance wise but I would hope that PSU fans will be patient with this
 
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