Who Should Be UNC's QB The Rest of The Way?

[Beardown]

Orms? Baca? Lobato? Keep in mind our offensive line is horrible and can't protect the QB. I still like Orms because he is mobile and that's the kind of QB we need with such a weak line. He hasn't played as well since the first 3 games but I still like his game. Thoughts?

 

[jjjj]

Orms is the only QB I have seen in Downing's era who can make something good happen when a play breaks down or when UNC is looking at a third and long. I know he's been struggling but I still think he's a player. There's a lot of pressure on a QB who knows that he could be pulled if he makes one mistake. I think they need to start him this weekend and tell him that he will not be pulled no matter what happens and see how he responds. One thing we know for sure is that pulling him and expecting another QB to give the O a spark hasn't worked.

 

[budbear]

I also like to think Orms is our man. He has to get some help on the lilne and settle down with his throws. You have to remember they went up against and lost to two very good football teams and we should do better against some of the other teams we face in the coming weeks. I'm sure the players have more faith in their team than some of these guys on this board that have written them off for the rest of the season.

 

[BearsFan65]

Orms? Baca? Lobato? Keep in mind our offensive line is horrible and can't protect the QB. I still like Orms because he is mobile and that's the kind of QB we need with such a weak line. He hasn't played as well since the first 3 games but I still like his game. Thoughts?

You Keep say the o-line sucks when really it is only a couple of them that suck. 77 hasn't blocked a single person all season and Alex Shapiro played a terrible game against Montana. Tim McGraw and Lee Barbiasz have been the only solid linemen we have had this year. As for the quarterback situation, I think they should stick with Orms and if he doesnt get the job done then give it to Baca. Baca got the offense going and showed that he was not afraid to step up make a pass and take a big hit.

 

[#1bearsfan]

Orms? Baca? Lobato? Keep in mind our offensive line is horrible and can't protect the QB. I still like Orms because he is mobile and that's the kind of QB we need with such a weak line. He hasn't played as well since the first 3 games but I still like his game. Thoughts?

You Keep say the o-line sucks when really it is only a couple of them that suck. 77 hasn't blocked a single person all season and Alex Shapiro played a terrible game against Montana. Tim McGraw and Lee Barbiasz have been the only solid linemen we have had this year. As for the quarterback situation, I think they should stick with Orms and if he doesnt get the job done then give it to Baca. Baca got the offense going and showed that he was not afraid to step up make a pass and take a big hit.

Order of appearance: Orms, Labato, Baca.

Orms didn't seem to scramble and make things happen like he did in the first three games. Don't know if he was told not to or he made the decision not to.
The Bears had a pretty good drive going on either their first or second possession but when Orms threw the pick in Montana territory it changed the momentum of the game. Also missing a field goal on either the 3rd or 4th possession changed momentum too. And the running into the kicker penalty that gave Montana a first down really hurt as well.
I'm not going to make excuses for how the o-line played during the Montana game, but to say that a couple of them suck and one of them is Alex Shapiro is wrong. He's the only All Big Sky Conference offensive lineman on the o-line and it was his block down field that sprung Harris on the TD run that was called back because of a penalty on Walker. It's interesting to note that the same o-linemen you're disparaging didn't give up a sack against Michigan State but gave up 6 against Montana. Part of it is because receivers were well covered and, at least in the case of Baca, he waited too long to get rid of the ball.
Let's not put all the blame on the offense. The defense got burned in the first half on a couple of TD passes right down the middle of the field. Montana came out with a very effective no huddle, up tempo offense that caused problems for the Bear's defense. Montana was playing what seemed to be a triple option offense. Roper would either hand off to the back or keep the ball himself and as he was running toward the line of scrimmage, if he was going to be tackled, he would dump the ball off to one of his wide receivers. It seemed to me to be a very smart and effective game-plan that the defense just wasn't ready for.

 

[bearsradio]

I'm not making a pick, but just pointing up part of Monday's discussion on the Coaches Show...

Orms is fighting a sprained MCL that is limiting his ability to plant on passes, as well as scramble.

Shapiro, Barbiasz and Candler have all sprained ankles thus far this season. Take away Amal Gumbs and the only lineman who started the season as a #1 that hasn't gotten injured is McGraw.

 

[Beardown]

I'm not making a pick, but just pointing up part of Monday's discussion on the Coaches Show...

Orms is fighting a sprained MCL that is limiting his ability to plant on passes, as well as scramble.

Shapiro, Barbiasz and Candler have all sprained ankles thus far this season. Take away Amal Gumbs and the only lineman who started the season as a #1 that hasn't gotten injured is McGraw.

This would be another transition into why the hell do we NOT have a bye week?!!! We could use that week to get healed up.

 

[BearsFan65]

Orms? Baca? Lobato? Keep in mind our offensive line is horrible and can't protect the QB. I still like Orms because he is mobile and that's the kind of QB we need with such a weak line. He hasn't played as well since the first 3 games but I still like his game. Thoughts?

You Keep say the o-line sucks when really it is only a couple of them that suck. 77 hasn't blocked a single person all season and Alex Shapiro played a terrible game against Montana. Tim McGraw and Lee Barbiasz have been the only solid linemen we have had this year. As for the quarterback situation, I think they should stick with Orms and if he doesnt get the job done then give it to Baca. Baca got the offense going and showed that he was not afraid to step up make a pass and take a big hit.

Order of appearance: Orms, Labato, Baca.

Orms didn't seem to scramble and make things happen like he did in the first three games. Don't know if he was told not to or he made the decision not to.
The Bears had a pretty good drive going on either their first or second possession but when Orms threw the pick in Montana territory it changed the momentum of the game. Also missing a field goal on either the 3rd or 4th possession changed momentum too. And the running into the kicker penalty that gave Montana a first down really hurt as well.
I'm not going to make excuses for how the o-line played during the Montana game, but to say that a couple of them suck and one of them is Alex Shapiro is wrong. He's the only All Big Sky Conference offensive lineman on the o-line and it was his block down field that sprung Harris on the TD run that was called back because of a penalty on Walker. It's interesting to note that the same o-linemen you're disparaging didn't give up a sack against Michigan State but gave up 6 against Montana. Part of it is because receivers were well covered and, at least in the case of Baca, he waited too long to get rid of the ball.
Let's not put all the blame on the offense. The defense got burned in the first half on a couple of TD passes right down the middle of the field. Montana came out with a very effective no huddle, up tempo offense that caused problems for the Bear's defense. Montana was playing what seemed to be a triple option offense. Roper would either hand off to the back or keep the ball himself and as he was running toward the line of scrimmage, if he was going to be tackled, he would dump the ball off to one of his wide receivers. It seemed to me to be a very smart and effective game-plan that the defense just wasn't ready for.

I'm not saying Alex Shapiro sucks but he has been very disappointing this year. He gave up 3 sacks by himself last week. That is not what you would expect from him.

 

[Bearsfan24]

Sprained MCL or not, Orms just hasn't made good decisions of late. If he's that hurt to where it's affecting his play, then maybe he should consider taking a few weeks to heal up. Not like we're going to the play-offs or anything. Orms looked good at the first of the season, but hasn't looked good against better teams. I liked what Baca had to offer, I'm not saying he should get the starting job, but I would like to see more of him.

 

[beardevil39]

Yea Klawz I agree with you. I really liked Bacas play even if it was against 3rd team. Still having a hard time with this team after showing so much potential. Lets hope the offensive line shakes out and delivers,and actually all phases of this team gets with it and be respectable the rest of the season.

 

[#1bearsfan]

Yea Klawz I agree with you. I really liked Bacas play even if it was against 3rd team. Still having a hard time with this team after showing so much potential. Lets hope the offensive line shakes out and delivers,and actually all phases of this team gets with it and be respectable the rest of the season.

Montana had the majority of their first team defense (they mixed in a few 2s in the forth qtr.) until the end of the game. How do I know, I was watching their substitutions and which starters were in at the end of the game. So Baca wasn't going against their 3rd team.
I've heard that, and you all have probably heard too, it will be either Labato or Baca this weekend. Labato is more physical and runs pretty well. Baca is a pocket passer much like Wagner last year. It wouldn't surprise me to see both of them play. I'd like to see the Bears really open up the down field passing game at the beginning of the game and not wait until they've had several 3 and outs to start throwing. I believe our wide receivers are the better offense on this team and they need to start going to them early.
If you'll remember, this Sac St. team hung 31 points on the Bears before half-time last season however, the Bears came all the way back and almost won the game in the second half. I believe the final score was
(Sac. St. 38 / UNC 35). I have not seen Sac. St. play this year but they must have a very good offense and a somewhat average defense because they've allowed a lot of points against.

 

[mrlippy]

if orms comes out for 1 play this week, our coaching staff is completley out of control. the kid is hurt, been hurt since day 1! rest him, repair him, please dont play him. the coaching staff needs to get him healthy! mentally he may be the best, physically, no way!

and if labato is still our back up this week i will again state, our coaching staff is out of control with the choices they're making. labato was, and has been, horrible! he looks the part for sure, but come on! he has wasted more good oppurtunitys this season than i care to count! maybe CU moved him qb for a reason? UNC will get hammered if this kid plays the majority saturday.

baca looked good saturday, fiery and hungy. i like that. start him satuday night, he knows the offense, has 3 years in the system, he's UNC's best shot, this week. if he struggles, or there's a chance along the way saturday night, try deen......

c'mon coaching staff. your going to be in california saturday. playing sacremento state. your beyond the greeley city limits finally. you don't have to worry about the locals or alum telling you who to play this week. lets play our best players and play to win for 60 minutes! put he guys on the field that give UNC ther best chace to win! on both sides of the ball, at every position. please. scott, hello.......uh, greg, you there.......


my depth chart
baca
deen
labato
orms- injured

 

[Beardown]

It doesn't matter who the QB will be tomorrow if the OLine continues to be horrible.