Wildcats give one away

[wsu1964yall]

the rest of the games and we'll have the same record as Montana when we beat them on Haloween night.

First, based purely on "records", going into October 3 it's Weber: 3-2, U of M: 4-0. You're iffy with Eastern Washington this weekend and an unknown Sac State next. We face the same threats before Halloween and those will tell a lot. So far we have our 49-17 thumping of Portland State and your 36-29 squeaker, so you're basing your prediction on pretty thin ice.

Second, if you're waiting for "Haloween night", you're going to miss a great game.

Here's hoping no major injuries.

Sir, welcome to the site or maybe I just have never seen you before as I am new. Keep in mind though some of our games have been played on the road. Example: Wyo, CSU, PSU. Let us know when Montana plays a road game and how they fair.

 

[Wildcat 100]

the rest of the games and we'll have the same record as Montana when we beat them on Haloween night.

First, based purely on "records", going into October 3 it's Weber: 3-2, U of M: 4-0. You're iffy with Eastern Washington this weekend and an unknown Sac State next. We face the same threats before Halloween and those will tell a lot. So far we have our 49-17 thumping of Portland State and your 36-29 squeaker, so you're basing your prediction on pretty thin ice.

Second, if you're waiting for "Haloween night", you're going to miss a great game.

Here's hoping no major injuries.

All I can say is that Weber has played a tough schedule starting out with Wyoming and CSU; that's just a fact. Montana has a very soft schedule and will be waiting for WSU to arrive; no problem because WSU is like the Triple A Club, ANYBODY, ANYTIME and ANYWHERE.

Montana allowed PSU to take a 14-0 lead, and then 'stole' a victory in NAU....yeehaw, Haloween can't come soon enough......

 

[wordup]

WSU will rebound this week in Cheney, mark my words! Offense moved the ball in spite of poor play calling. Higgins actually checked out of many plays including the two touchdowns. Hammer is contrite vows a better play calling performance next week... if he is still calling the plays. Remember the (gulp) Grizzlies last year... The lost to Weber turned their entire season around and they wound up playing for a national championship. This Wildcat team is better than that grizzlies team. THEY WILL REBOUND!

 

[Da Griz]

Let us know when Montana plays a road game and how they fair.

At UC Davis: W
At Northern Arizona: W

WSU is ANYBODY, ANYTIME and ANYWHERE.

Wyoming: L
Colorado State: L
Montana State: L

The lost to Weber turned their entire season around and they wound up playing for a national championship. This Wildcat team is better than that grizzlies team.

As is this Griz team. When we lost to you in 08, we were 4-0... at the best you'll be 5-3 by Halloween.

In 08 we finished 14-2, which 5 games into your season is already impossible for you.

 

[Waldo2]

People need to step back from the ledge - this is no time to jump to your death. There is hope.

1. This team still has a legitimate chance to win the BSC and go the playoffs. They MUST run the table now. The #1 and 2 teams from the BSC will go the playoffs. If WSU wins out, they will be at the very worst BSC co-champs.
2. This team has serious talent and experience. They have had some bad luck and I think some inexperienced coaching. The MSU game should have been a 25 point blow out, but with some bad luck (fumbles, INT's, blocks) and some dumb coaching (sweep on 4 and goal, etc.) they lost.

Bottom line: The football gods will eventually smile again upon WSU and limit injuries and unlucky bounces. I believe things do eventually even out. Also, I think the new coaching staff will get it together make smarter calls in the future. I think they were trying to be too unpredictable against MSU while against PSU they were too predictable. Eventually, they will learn to balance things out.

Keep your heads up - you still control your own destiny and can go far!
Go Wildcats!

 

[weberwildcat]

Let us know when Montana plays a road game and how they fair.

At UC Davis: W
At Northern Arizona: W

WSU is ANYBODY, ANYTIME and ANYWHERE.

Wyoming: L
Colorado State: L
Montana State: L

The lost to Weber turned their entire season around and they wound up playing for a national championship. This Wildcat team is better than that grizzlies team.

As is this Griz team. When we lost to you in 08, we were 4-0... at the best you'll be 5-3 by Halloween.

In 08 we finished 14-2, which 5 games into your season is already impossible for you.

I agree with the griz in that playing 2 I-A's screws you over if you are a team with a shot at the playoffs. Your better off playing 3 NAIA's as far as the playoff committee is concerned as dumb as that sounds. Afterall, we did fall in the rankings for each of our FBS losses.

We can thank our AD for that one. That was out of Mac's hands, not his fault.

Also, last yr no one made the playoffs with a 7-4 record. Cal Poly had the least amount of wins that got in and they had 8.

(we just need to keep winning, gotta beat EWU!)

 

[SWeberCat02]

To me, two things are as clear as day.

This team wins when Cameron Higgins protects the ball, and loses when he turns the ball over.

Weber is 3-5 in its last 8 games, dating back to the last 3 games of 2008. In the three wins (@ Cal Poly, Idaho St, and @ Portland St), Higgins did not turn the ball over. In the five losses (E Wash, @ Montana, @ Wyoming, @ Colorado St, and Montana St), Higgins had 17 turnovers (4 against E Wash, 2 against Montana, 5 against Wyoming, 3 against Colorado St, and 3 against Montana St). Of these 17 turnovers, 15 were interceptions and 2 were fumbles. But Weber can usually survive 1 turnover by Higgins. If you look at all of last season and this season (19 games) Weber is 11-1 when Higgins has no more than 1 turnover, and 1-6 when he has 2 or more turnovers. The only exceptions to this was when Higgins had 4 turnovers (1 INT, 3 fumbles lost) in a 17-10 win vs. N Colorado, and had 1 turnover (1 fumble lost) in a 21-37 loss @ Utah. I think in these games Weber's talent was so much superior to N Colorado's that it was able to survive (although it made for a close game), and Utah's talent was so much superior to Weber's that it couldn't survive even 1 turnover. The fact is that the QB is by far the most important player on the field and Cameron Higgins is such a talented QB that the team cannot afford turnovers by such a talented player playing the most important position on the field. Other players can have bad games and it won't hurt the team anywhere close to when the QB has a bad game. Hate to put so much on one player, but that's just the way I see it. I'm just glad we have such a talented QB, or we wouldn't even be in the position we have been in the last two years.

If Weber wins out AND Montana St loses another conference game, we will get a playoff bid.

I'm convinced both of these things must happen to get to the post season. Weber will not get a bid with 4 losses. And if Montana St wins out, even if we win out as well, either Montana gets the second bid, or the Big Sky only gets one bid.

 

[Da Griz]

if Montana St wins out, even if we win out as well, either Montana gets the second bid, or the Big Sky only gets one bid.

God forbid, but it would help answer an age-old question: Would such a decision be at least partly based on having an always sold out 26,000 seat Wa-Griz have as many playoff games as possible?

 

[weberwildcat1]

When was the last year the Big Sky did not get 2 teams in the post season? A long time ago?

 

[Waldo2]

If WSU and MSU win out, then MSU finishes #1 in conference, WSU #2 in conference and um (lower case intentional) #3. I don't see how um (lower case intentional) gets the bid over WSU, even if you do sell some tickets as you would have 2 conference losses compared to only 1 each for the top two. WSU played a much tougher schedule as well and I think that will helps their chances.
Bottom line - if WSU has one more loss, they stay home in December. If they win out, they make it to the playoffs.

 

[Da Griz]

In 08 we finished 14-2, which 5 games into your season is already impossible for you.

Maybe a better observation would have been:

At the end of the regular season in 08 we were 11-1. The very best you could be is 8-3. At this point, the Griz, Eastern Washington, Montana State and Northern Arizona stand a chance at having better records than Weber.

If WSU win out, they make it to the playoffs.

Depends upon how those other teams play out.

 

[SWeberCat02]

If WSU and MSU win out, then MSU finishes #1 in conference, WSU #2 in conference and um (lower case intentional) #3. I don't see how um (lower case intentional) gets the bid over WSU, even if you do sell some tickets as you would have 2 conference losses compared to only 1 each for the top two. WSU played a much tougher schedule as well and I think that will helps their chances.
Bottom line - if WSU has one more loss, they stay home in December. If they win out, they make it to the playoffs.

I would bet the Sky only gets one team before Weber gets in over Montana, even if Weber has less conference losses. Not saying it would be fair, but then neither was Montana getting a seed over Weber last year. Da Griz is right. It's about more than wins and losses. It's also about tradition and money (but mostly money). And until Weber can claim a tradition and attendance like Montana's, they don't have the edge. Hell, we can't even get 10K to a game. And if money is the deciding factor, as it always is, it will go to UM every time. It's all about the Benjamins. $$$$$$$$$$$. Plus, if UM beats Cal Poly, they will have non conference wins over UC Davis and Cal Poly, two decent FCS programs. The committee will look at those two wins much more favorably than Weber's two losses to FBS schools.

 

[SWeberCat02]

When was the last year the Big Sky did not get 2 teams in the post season? A long time ago?

1998, I believe. But I think the parity in the conference this year, along with E Wash being banned from the postseason (at least for now), could hurt the conference's chances of getting 2 bids. But it all depends on how things shake out. At least next year, when the playoffs expand, getting at least 2 bids every year should be a given.

 

[n.ogdencat]

If Weber and MSU win out they both get bids. There is no way in HELL that um would get a bid over Weber in that scenario. Conference records: MSU 8-0, Weber 7-1, UM 6-2. The committee looks at conference wins first, then goes to the OCC schedule to decide seeding. I would't doubt if three Big Sky teams get in. The CAA does it every year.

 

[SWeberCat02]

If Weber and MSU win out they both get bids. There is no way in HELL that um would get a bid over Weber in that scenario. Conference records: MSU 8-0, Weber 7-1, UM 6-2. The committee looks at conference wins first, then goes to the OCC schedule to decide seeding. I would't doubt if three Big Sky teams get in. The CAA does it every year.

If this is true Weber could go 7-1 in conference play, lose to Cal Poly, and still get a bid with a 7-4 overall record. And Montana could go 6-2 in conference play, beat Cal Poly, and not get a bid with a 9-2 overall record (assuming the Sky gets the usual 2 bids). There is no way in HELL that a 7-4 Weber team gets in over a 9-2 Montana team. The committee would only give the conference one bid before they would allow that to happen. And they aren't going to shut a 9-2 Montana team out of the playoffs. Non conference games and overall record have to be a factor in giving bids, not just in deciding seeds. Else, why even play out of conference?

 

[Wildcat 100]

JUST WIN BABY, JUST WIN

 

[n.ogdencat]

If Weber and MSU win out they both get bids. There is no way in HELL that um would get a bid over Weber in that scenario. Conference records: MSU 8-0, Weber 7-1, UM 6-2. The committee looks at conference wins first, then goes to the OCC schedule to decide seeding. I would't doubt if three Big Sky teams get in. The CAA does it every year.

If this is true Weber could go 7-1 in conference play, lose to Cal Poly, and still get a bid with a 7-4 overall record. And Montana could go 6-2 in conference play, beat Cal Poly, and not get a bid with a 9-2 overall record (assuming the Sky gets the usual 2 bids). There is no way in HELL that a 7-4 Weber team gets in over a 9-2 Montana team. The committee would only give the conference one bid before they would allow that to happen. And they aren't going to shut a 9-2 Montana team out of the playoffs. Non conference games and overall record have to be a factor in giving bids, not just in deciding seeds. Else, why even play out of conference?

Agreed, I don't think a 7-4 Weber team gets into the playoffs over a 9-2 UM...but, in my scenario, I was assuming that Weber and UM would both beat Cal Poly. If Cal Poly gets beat by both teams and wins the Great West, then, I think, that greatly increases the chances of the Big Sky getting multiple teams into the Playoffs.


ALSO... I thoroughly support Wildcat 100's sentiments... JUST WIN BABY!!!

 

[SWeberCat02]

If Weber and MSU win out they both get bids. There is no way in HELL that um would get a bid over Weber in that scenario. Conference records: MSU 8-0, Weber 7-1, UM 6-2. The committee looks at conference wins first, then goes to the OCC schedule to decide seeding. I would't doubt if three Big Sky teams get in. The CAA does it every year.

If this is true Weber could go 7-1 in conference play, lose to Cal Poly, and still get a bid with a 7-4 overall record. And Montana could go 6-2 in conference play, beat Cal Poly, and not get a bid with a 9-2 overall record (assuming the Sky gets the usual 2 bids). There is no way in HELL that a 7-4 Weber team gets in over a 9-2 Montana team. The committee would only give the conference one bid before they would allow that to happen. And they aren't going to shut a 9-2 Montana team out of the playoffs. Non conference games and overall record have to be a factor in giving bids, not just in deciding seeds. Else, why even play out of conference?

Agreed, I don't think a 7-4 Weber team gets into the playoffs over a 9-2 UM...but, in my scenario, I was assuming that Weber and UM would both beat Cal Poly. If Cal Poly gets beat by both teams and wins the Great West, then, I think, that greatly increases the chances of the Big Sky getting multiple teams into the Playoffs.


ALSO... I thoroughly support Wildcat 100's sentiments... JUST WIN BABY!!!

While it's fun to speculate and analyze, it doesn't mean anything if Weber doesn't win. So, agreed, Just Win Baby!

 

[Da Griz]

While it's fun to speculate and analyze, it doesn't mean anything if Weber doesn't win. So, agreed, Just Win Baby!

Hay! That's OUR line! We've been playing "Bobbie Ball" for 7 years, and while it's boring as hell, the "play not to lose" offense has resulted in the NCAA announcing that over the past 10 years the Griz have won more games than any other Division I team - FCS or FBS.

 

[wsu1964yall]

Last baskeball season the Vikings of Portland dug themselves into a nice hole after expecting to host the conference tournament. We all knew they were great; beating No.7 Gonzaga in the non conference validated that.
In to conference play the Vikings started losing and even had a couple road trips where they lost both games. They ended up not hosting the tournament and as far as most were concerned there season was over.
They came to the tournament and won it all and went back to the "playoffs" for the 2nd year in a row to shock us all.
I like your statement Wilcat100: Just win baby!