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The Future

Post by Alan » December 14th, 2019, 8:20 am

The Vikings, in this decade, have won more conference games in a season than they have lost exactly twice. Two out of ten. Under Barnum they are 14 and 28 in conference games with one winning season.

In Hillsboro our 2019 attendance was again the worst in the Big Sky and it seems to me that each with each passing year Viking football is a little more diminished; a little more off the community's radar.

Canzano predicted we would be 9 and 3 in 2019 and @bigskyconf predicted 7 and 5. Not to be. For the second year in a row we were 3 and 5 in conference. in 2019 we had two non-conference loses to FBS teams and non-conference wins over a NAIA team and a D2 team.

Next season? If our last 10 years is any example, I'd say we have a 1 in 5 chance at a winning conference record in 2020. If we look at just the last 5 years under Barnum, again I'd say we have a 1 in 5 chance.

What about attendance at Hillsboro Stadium? In a recent article David Carter, a USC marketing professor and sports-marketing specialist, commenting on building football attendance, said if he were consulting with a university on how to bring fans to the stadium, he’d tell them a vibrant, energetic game-day experience is essential: from the football team’s on-field performance, to the tailgate, to the in-stadium experience.

Making the resources available to improve the game-day experience in Hillsboro will be difficult if not impossible. In fy 2019 the Athletic Department experienced a cash loss of approximately $4.2 million with the problem expected to continue in fy 2020.

The future? More of the same.

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Re: The Future

Post by bigskyconf » December 14th, 2019, 1:37 pm

Alan wrote:
December 14th, 2019, 8:20 am
The Vikings, in this decade, have won more conference games in a season than they have lost exactly twice. Two out of ten. Under Barnum they are 14 and 28 in conference games with one winning season.

In Hillsboro our 2019 attendance was again the worst in the Big Sky and it seems to me that each with each passing year Viking football is a little more diminished; a little more off the community's radar.

Canzano predicted we would be 9 and 3 in 2019 and @bigskyconf predicted 7 and 5. Not to be. For the second year in a row we were 3 and 5 in conference. in 2019 we had two non-conference loses to FBS teams and non-conference wins over a NAIA team and a D2 team.

Next season? If our last 10 years is any example, I'd say we have a 1 in 5 chance at a winning conference record in 2020. If we look at just the last 5 years under Barnum, again I'd say we have a 1 in 5 chance.

What about attendance at Hillsboro Stadium? In a recent article David Carter, a USC marketing professor and sports-marketing specialist, commenting on building football attendance, said if he were consulting with a university on how to bring fans to the stadium, he’d tell them a vibrant, energetic game-day experience is essential: from the football team’s on-field performance, to the tailgate, to the in-stadium experience.

Making the resources available to improve the game-day experience in Hillsboro will be difficult if not impossible. In fy 2019 the Athletic Department experienced a cash loss of approximately $4.2 million with the problem expected to continue in fy 2020.

The future? More of the same.
Sometime in the future I predict that Alan will attend a PSU football game, other than when we play against WOU. :D

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Re: The Future

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Re: The Future

Post by bigskyconf » January 12th, 2020, 11:32 am

Alan wrote:
January 12th, 2020, 8:14 am
From Oregon Live: https://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/2020 ... tball.html
Do you really want a response to this? :rofl:

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Post by Pounder » January 12th, 2020, 1:05 pm

Ken Goe follows up the Edward Hershey opinion piece with his own few hundred words.

https://trib.al/cboXkGF

While I might be suffering confirmation bias visa vie his mention of No Football, No Big Sky, it is noticed that he pretty much whispered GNAC.

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Re: The Future

Post by bigskyconf » January 12th, 2020, 7:06 pm

Pounder wrote:
January 12th, 2020, 1:05 pm
Ken Goe follows up the Edward Hershey opinion piece with his own few hundred words.

https://trib.al/cboXkGF

While I might be suffering confirmation bias visa vie his mention of No Football, No Big Sky, it is noticed that he pretty much whispered GNAC.
I must have missed something.

"The best solution would be for PSU to stay in the Big Sky, play football games in a venue close to campus and the center of town, field a competitive team and hope that would lead to more fan appeal."

I don't see the GNAC reference. I also don't see Goe advocating for PSU to leave DI or the Big Sky. Four items listed and all four make sense. Being competitive in the Big Sky is a must, and most of the DI football talent in the metro area is at the FCS level. We have four more years of trying to figure out the venue situation. As far as more fan appeal, we saw in 2015 (and Sac State realized this past year) that you win and people will come out and watch you play. Everybody loves a winner, while losing puts a strain on even the most die-hard fan out there.

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Re: The Future

Post by Pounder » January 12th, 2020, 7:51 pm

What you missed, part 1:
The best solution would be for PSU to stay in the Big Sky, play football games in a venue close to campus and the center of town, field a competitive team and hope that would lead to more fan appeal. But if you take Providence Park out of the equation, there isn’t such a venue.
If you understand Merritt Paulson as being a guy who likes money (which is more true than what he thinks of soccer), then I present you with the chicken-and-egg issue. The coach says other coaches are using Hillsboro to recruit against Portland State. Is the program going to get better that way, thus making it more appealing for the bigger stadium to bring back Portland State? Try having any sort of sense of realism about this, please. The program was supposed to be a beneficiary of the 2011 renovation and have nothing to show for it.

Now, part 2 requires a “reading between the lines” understanding.
One reason PSU joined the Big Sky was because scheduling at the Division II level had become difficult and expensive due to the dearth of Division II programs on the West Coast. How happy would the Division II Great Northwest Athletic Conference, which includes Concordia and Western Oregon, be to include PSU and its approximately 21,000 students?
The inference isn’t that this is where PSU is headed. The inference, as I read it, if you add it to when John Canzano made a big splash about the drop count (actual attendance instead of announced) for a conference football game a handful of years ago, is that what little media exists in town leaves clues to lead people to think that the GNAC may be PSU’s proper operating level.

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Re: The Future

Post by bigskyconf » January 13th, 2020, 8:44 am

Pounder wrote:
January 12th, 2020, 7:51 pm
What you missed, part 1:
The best solution would be for PSU to stay in the Big Sky, play football games in a venue close to campus and the center of town, field a competitive team and hope that would lead to more fan appeal. But if you take Providence Park out of the equation, there isn’t such a venue.
If you understand Merritt Paulson as being a guy who likes money (which is more true than what he thinks of soccer), then I present you with the chicken-and-egg issue. The coach says other coaches are using Hillsboro to recruit against Portland State. Is the program going to get better that way, thus making it more appealing for the bigger stadium to bring back Portland State? Try having any sort of sense of realism about this, please. The program was supposed to be a beneficiary of the 2011 renovation and have nothing to show for it.

Now, part 2 requires a “reading between the lines” understanding.
One reason PSU joined the Big Sky was because scheduling at the Division II level had become difficult and expensive due to the dearth of Division II programs on the West Coast. How happy would the Division II Great Northwest Athletic Conference, which includes Concordia and Western Oregon, be to include PSU and its approximately 21,000 students?
The inference isn’t that this is where PSU is headed. The inference, as I read it, if you add it to when John Canzano made a big splash about the drop count (actual attendance instead of announced) for a conference football game a handful of years ago, is that what little media exists in town leaves clues to lead people to think that the GNAC may be PSU’s proper operating level.
I was being realistic. I did not include the statement about Providence Park because I felt that was understood. But let me spell it out. Unless something unforeseen happens within the next four years, Providence Park is not an option for American football.

Also, a given that the GNAC would be "happy" if PSU dropped (excuse the pun) in their lap. It is a sure bet that the GNAC would be "happy" with any increase in membership. But the scheduling problem still exists out here in DII. How many times did WOU have to go to Texas this year? Also, WOU had a great season this year, but did they get any reward with a playoff berth? And while it is true that PSU went to Arkansas, it is my understanding that we got paid handsomely for it. Would that happen to PSU making these trips to Texas and such?

Ultimately, the best option would be creating our own DII conference with WOU, CWU, Simon Fraser, and bring along SOU and EOU from the Frontier, possibly adding College of Idaho and Azusa, but I don't see that happening.

We've got four years to figure out what direction we are heading. Until then. I'm going to sit back and enjoy PSU football. In Hillsboro.

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Re: The Future

Post by Pounder » January 13th, 2020, 12:22 pm

After sifting through all the options, I'll say this: the only thing that ends in four years is the lease in Hillsboro. That's the one thing that's easy to renew.

I can't see PSU committing to anything else.

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Re: The Future

Post by bigskyconf » January 13th, 2020, 1:29 pm

Pounder wrote:
January 13th, 2020, 12:22 pm
After sifting through all the options, I'll say this: the only thing that ends in four years is the lease in Hillsboro. That's the one thing that's easy to renew.

I can't see PSU committing to anything else.
It is easy to renew, but is playing the games in Hillsboro truly the best option? These next four years are probably the most important time in PSU football history as we will all have a better understanding of where the program is heading after that, good or bad.

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Re: The Future

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Re: The Future

Post by bigskyconf » January 15th, 2020, 11:14 pm

Anyone know who the head of Duke University's well-known medical center is? Hello? Hello? Anyone?

Now, does anyone know the head of Duke's much renown basketball team? Anyone?

Sports can put your school in front of others who would not otherwise know who you are.

Maybe I'll write a letter to the editor. Makes sense now that OLive removed the comments section.

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Re: The Future

Post by golfer » January 16th, 2020, 7:33 am

I know the writer of that letter. He probably wants another fountain where he can skinny dip with some chick.

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Re: The Future

Post by Alan » January 16th, 2020, 7:36 am

bigskyconf wrote:
January 15th, 2020, 11:14 pm
Anyone know who the head of Duke University's well-known medical center is? Hello? Hello? Anyone?

Now, does anyone know the head of Duke's much renown basketball team? Anyone?

Sports can put your school in front of others who would not otherwise know who you are.

Maybe I'll write a letter to the editor. Makes sense now that OLive removed the comments section.
And, do you know the head of Georgetown University's football team? How about the University of Chicago's? Have you heard the news? Seattle University, the University of Portland, Gonzaga, San Francisco State, UC Santa Barbara, Long Beach State, and many other schools nation-wide are closing their doors for the lack of a football team!

Do write that letter to the editor.

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Re: The Future

Post by bigskyconf » January 16th, 2020, 9:37 am

golfer wrote:
January 16th, 2020, 7:33 am
I know the writer of that letter. He probably wants another fountain where he can skinny dip with some chick.
Now that's funny. :rofl:

But maybe true. :roll:

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