Phantom Hornet
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Wood giving off strong Vivek Ranadive vibes....
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Bring Back Troy
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BuckeyeHornetFan
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And some of us chuckle when you post rebuttal stuff such as this. Are you a mouthpiece for the university and Wood or an invested and concerned fan like the rest of us? It gets confusing sometimes.
I’m not sure who has stated that Wood should be fired, because that’s likely not realistic. He’s not particularly good at the job (more specifically the athletics part of it), as the results thus far confirm, but his removal is a pipe dream for the time being due to politics.
I’m also fairly confident that a fair share of the student body would also argue that he’s not particularly good at other aspects of the job, too, but I disgress.
This is a rather silly take. Why hire, pay, and retain an AD position if the President is going to do the job himself? Shouldn’t the guy have enough responsibility already?
The amount of time he invests in performing the tasks of those beneath him suggests that he really doesn’t do much of anything else.
It’s one thing to be in the loop and involved in decision making of various departments under his watch, and even to rarely pull rank when necessary, but an altogether different thing to be involved at the level that he involves himself. He’s not a Billionaire owner of a professional sports franchise.
And even in those instances, the very best and most successful Billionaire owners hire people with a lot more expertise in the field (than them) then trust those people to run the operations. They are typically only involved with the financial and budgeting aspects of the decisions their AD or GM seek approval to make.
As @Green Laser alluded, how many university presidents are following the same blueprint i.e. overriding their AD/GM’s and involving themselves in nearly every process to the same degree? How many University Presidents speak and behave as Wood does?
You’re positioning as if what he’s doing is common place. It isn’t.
If Wood doesn’t trust Mark Orr’s expertise and/or ability to perform the tasks within the purview of his job title then he should cut ties with him and hire someone else OR just cut the position altogether, save the university some money, and perform the job duties himself — in an official capacity.
There’s no need for subterfuge or maintaining the false appearance that Mark Orr is in charge of these decisions.
What do you mean “we” can discount? You mean you. Nobody is bound by the subjective rules you’ve set forth.
I’ve bought tickets and attended many games over the decades and in recent years. But if others haven’t — so what?
If they invest themselves in any way, shape, or form as a fan — whether that be watching on TV, buying merchandise, or whatever — they have just as much right as you and I do to vent, complain, and criticize.
As for your lame email requirement — it is and was a complete waste of time. Nobody involved in the decision making process was ever going to pay it any mind. You of all people should understand that.
Any voice that Wood deems valuable enough to consider — if Wood is listening to anyone at all — has already been considered. At most that short list would be comprised of select alumni and deep pocketed donors — the latter of which is in short supply at Sac State. Hence why this university and its football program has been mired in the same situation for seemingly ever.
Fair points. Regarding Dr. Wood's involvement, I'll just say look at the recent LSU handling of their situation and lack of involvement of their AD in landing Kiffin. Yes I get that LSU is a top coaching spot in all of college football but I doubt the AD holds the leash on any of the top programs in college football. Having admin "go over the head" of the AD wrt a head coaching hire isn't something unprecedented.
Troy proved and disproved a lot during his tenure wrt the narratives floating around Hornet football. One of the biggest that was disproven was the "win and they'll show up" narrative. The 2025 season just averaged 15,468 per game in a 7 win, no home Causeway, non-playoff season with a flashy head coach hire coupled with a Presidential hype machine and post-game concerts. In 2022 Troy pulled 15,502 per game with undoubtedly the best team and season performance in Hornet D1 history with a packed out Causeway to bolster the average attendance.
The table below shows the 2022 and 2025 attendance head to head. I didn't include the laughable playoff attendance in the 2022 average stated above for obvious reasons^. These numbers are even more damning when you take into consideration that the 2022 season culminated in our BSC threepeat and the 2025 season was on the heels of an abysmal 3 win 2024 campaign. The Montana numbers are interesting considering both were on ESPN 2 but only one of them was bolstered by Panda-gate.
Bottom line is miss me with the "Wood needs to consider what sells tickets" narrative because it doesn't favor the argument to hire Troy. Hate Dr. Wood all you want but his antics sells tickets, gets clicks and eyeballs, and gets headlines. I don't want Dr. Wood to go with a gimmick hire for the purposes of ticket sales and clicks but rather the proven candidate for competitive reasons.
| Home Game | 2022 Week - Opponent | 2022 Attendance | 2022 Week - Opponent | 2025 Attendance |
| 1 | Week 1 - Utah Tech | 10,257 | Week 3 - Mercyhurst | 12,231 |
| 2 | Week 6 - Northern Colorado | 11,013 | Week 4 - Central Arkansas | 13,253 |
| 3 | Week 8 - Montana | 15,927 | Week 5 - Cal Poly | 15,016 |
| 4 | Week 9 - Idaho* | 17,241 | Week 8 - Northern Colorado* | 20,022 |
| 5 | Week 12 - Causeway | 23,073 | Week 9 - Montana | 16,816 |
| 6 | Playoffs Round 2 - Richmond | 9,136 | Week 12 - Idaho | 15,467 |
| 7 | Quarterfinals - Incarnate Word | 13,722 |
*Homecoming
^IMO our poor playoff attendance shows the lack of interest in FCS from regional college football fans and is a big driver for the "FBS or bust" push from Dr. Wood. The FCS truly is considered a "JV" league by college football fans in this region.
BHF, to put it succinctly, I'm an alum so I'll always have a vested interest in the well being of Sac State. And yes, it's put up or shut up time for Hornet fans that want to see Troy back as HC. If encouraging folks to send in an email in support of hiring Troy draws your ire then so be it.
BuckeyeHornetFan
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Exactly right. Except that Vivek is an actual wealthy owner of a professional sports franchise. Wood is not thus has no excuse to be meddling as much as he does.
If Vivek was smart, he’d emulate what the owners of successful franchises do. And perhaps he’ll get there one day like Mark Cuban did before he sold the Mavs.
But, unlike Wood, Vivek’s desire to be involved in all aspects of the business can at least be understood and justified (even though he’s unqualified as a basketball mind). He owns the franchise. Wood does not own Sac State.
Former Stanford Coach a Candidate for the Sacramento State Job
While the College Football Playoffs are set to begin for the 12 teams selected, the offseason is in full effect for a majority of college football. In recent we
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Only asking a question, so don't come for me. Are we sure that the reasons behind Taylor's firing isn't playing a legitimate factor in this? Or even the lawsuit against ESPN.
BuckeyeHornetFan
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Former Stanford Coach a Candidate for the Sacramento State Job
While the College Football Playoffs are set to begin for the 12 teams selected, the offseason is in full effect for a majority of college football. In recent we
Only asking a question, so don't come for me. Are we sure that the reasons behind Taylor's firing isn't playing a legitimate factor in this? Or even the lawsuit against ESPN.
I don’t think there’s much doubt that they factor in — especially if needed to justify not hiring the most successful football HC this program has ever had.
HornetFootballFan
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If Wood doesn’t hire Troy Taylor and chooses anybody else. If it turns into another 1 and done or total shit show of a season. I will have lost a ton of confidence in his decision making.
The only way he (WOOD) would be able to redeem himself to me if he gets us into FBS w New or Renovated Home side of Hornet Stadium.
My intuition though thinks somehow our downtown campus extension and the Skyriver development of a NEW Soccer stadium might be another conversation to explore if the Cal Expo deal falters? Maybe we get big FB upgrades to seating capacity etc in exchange for a 25 year lease? It would be then campus adjacent if it’s near the new campus? Speculating
With the delicate fair weather fans of Sacto, I am quite pleased at the 9,136 fans for the Richmond game. It was pouring literal buckets of the pineapple express monsoon before, during and after the game.
I read the bio for this Zo Asst coach guy. He is a walking Black Lives Matter mouthpiece. Wood is trying to create CSU-HBCU here in Sac, so I think the TT rehire will not happen. Using the bogus Stanford crap will be the hill he dies on. Politics should not be involved in this decision, but it will be the only decision.
Would TT really want to work for Malcolm X Jr?
Would TT really want to work for Malcolm X Jr?
Kadeezy
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Martin Luther Sting, Jr.*
Its about as long as he will be there. Two mediocre years can change your life!
HornetHope
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I don’t think we are pulling the trigger on Troy. I think we are trying to hit a home run ball with maybe a coach who has not been interviewed yet who is in post season grind right now.
Green Laser
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The only known candidate in the post season is Alonzo Carter with Arizona who will play in the Holiday Bowl Jan 2nd. No reason if interested he couldn't fly up for the day or they couldn't fly down for a interview. Time is crucial, without a coach named no telling how how much of the roster we will lose when the portal opens on Jan 2nd.
the Rat
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I don't think being the assistant head coach/running back coach would merit holding off an announcement so late. It were to be Taylor, you would think it would be already signed, sealed, and delivered. The fog continues.
Kadeezy
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The line between incompetence and strategy is definitely blurred. I mean, no real leaks is good, no? But man, GIVE US SOMETHING POSITIVE. About a coach, about a stadium, about a conference. Something real.
If it isn't TT and it's Zo-Zo Sacramento - let's at least build some momentum for next season trying to keep guys and attract guys from the portal.
OldSchoolHornet
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Kadeezy
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Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck
