Athletic Facilities

[FootballAlum84]

Wait, you seriously think that's "on par" with any future stadium you're about to build at the horse track, or wherever?

I didn’t say exact replica? Are you suggesting that whatever they choose to build won’t even be comparable? This is a pretty bare bones stadium. Straight vertical bleacher seating, a single press box, not completely surrounded with seating. Again I didn’t say this is our exact stadium but I think for cost purposes we’d have to expect a stadium that resembles something like this. Which could mean that it’s not as good also.

 

[HornetFootballFan]

Agree 110%. Why would CSU issue bonds against a property that is not CSU controlled? Wont happen.
I recall seeing the CSU BOT has funds earmarked for a stadium replacement in 27/28.

My gut is telling me Wood/Orr is entertaining/talking to Cal Expo so they can tell the media/public they are working with CE and get everyone off their back.

Drag this out until 2027 when BOT funds are available and then reveal CE didnt work out, so now they are back on campus. And btw, the track has to stay because of the T&F programs.

Why spend $3M on current Hornet Stadium to throw it away? That is foolish use of funds.

Signage, bleachers I’m sure can be re- purposed to other sports @ activities.

 

[BuckeyeHornetFan]

Wait, you seriously think that's "on par" with any future stadium you're about to build at the horse track, or wherever?

Why throw away 4 million dollars on upgrades.. if it's all getting torn down.. kind of pointless.

Where is all the money coming from for all this stuff? How much was Collegiate Consulting paid over 2.5 years working with you guys for their knowledge of joining the MAC?

How much more will annual football budget overhead be now to keep up with FBS competitive coaching costs? With no media money for 5 years.. I mean..

The Pac-12 donors are no longer on the hook for any pledges, because that's not what happened, so how much money really is in the bank? What is the actual money in the bank for NIL? Not just pledges..

It seems like you guys are just making excuses about California High speed rail being a rip-off to the taxpayer as a way to project your guilt for about going essentially insolvent soon and the bailout coming on the California taxpayer backs just for your vanity FBS move.

Remember when you said we weren't going to get an FBS invite? Lol, cry harder.

Why non-fans of this University/program continue to perform mental gymnastics in hating on this move and the decisions that have been made continues to astound.

Myself, I’ve got better things to do than visit forums of things I don’t like to waste time reading things about the thing I don’t like to then also spam negative messages about the thing I don’t like.

I guess not everyone can say the same.

 

[Pounder]

Why non-fans of this University/program continue to perform mental gymnastics in hating on this move and the decisions that have been made continues to astound.

Myself, I’ve got better things to do than visit forums of things I don’t like to waste time reading things about the thing I don’t like to then also spam negative messages about the thing I don’t like.

I guess not everyone can say the same.

Something about $18 million to buy in plus $5 million to move up plus forgoing all shared media revenue plus promising extra body bag games per year (so why bother with any home stadium renovations) doesn’t really add up.

There is also a bit of a fairness issue… NDSU, for all their limitations, has 10 national championships from 2011 on. Sac State has a pair of quarterfinal appearances. “Deserves” may not have anything to do with actually moving up, but in the realm of public perception, there’s an ocean of difference.

And did I really have to say that?

There is something of a mental exercise I’m playing with, a curious hypothetical. It can get distorted because social media can generate considerable attention that may not exist elsewhere. But my question: does any MAC school have a bigger football profile than North Dakota State right now?

 

[HeavyistheClown]

But my question: does any MAC school have a bigger football profile than North Dakota State right now?

All MAC schools have a higher profile simply because an FBS team can be scheduled as a home game. No more being top banana playing SE Missouri State or Ark-Pine Bluff.
Will be curious how the Bison do against good programs week after week.

More exposure nationally, ability to schedule home games against FBS programs and more money. No FBS will ever visit an FCS.

Fairness? Pfffttt. Tell that to Kennesaw, Missouri State and Texas State who had less success at JV ball than Sac.

 

[sacstateman]

Why non-fans of this University/program continue to perform mental gymnastics in hating on this move and the decisions that have been made continues to astound.

Myself, I’ve got better things to do than visit forums of things I don’t like to waste time reading things about the thing I don’t like to then also spam negative messages about the thing I don’t like.

I guess not everyone can say the same.

Guess you've changed your tune from Feb 6th.....Now you can't understand his caring so much about Sac St stuff....worm has turned...good for you...

 

[BuckeyeHornetFan]

Guess you've changed your tune from Feb 6th.....Now you can't understand his caring so much about Sac St stuff....worm has turned...good for you...

That’s what you think you got from my previous message?

I’ve been following this program and hoping for what’s going on now for roughly 40 years. My guess is that’s probably longer than you’ve been alive.

I’ve not changed any “tune”. I’ve been a member of this forum for over 16 years rooting the Hornets on.

I still see Luke Wood as a clown and I still think he hired the wrong coach for the wrong reasons. But I still root for the program and am happy to see the jump to FBS — finally. Not sure how that adds up to you as changing tune or the worm turning, but some things just defy explanation.

As you were.

 

[BuckeyeHornetFan]

Something about $18 million to buy in plus $5 million to move up plus forgoing all shared media revenue plus promising extra body bag games per year (so why bother with any home stadium renovations) doesn’t really add up.

There is also a bit of a fairness issue… NDSU, for all their limitations, has 10 national championships from 2011 on. Sac State has a pair of quarterfinal appearances. “Deserves” may not have anything to do with actually moving up, but in the realm of public perception, there’s an ocean of difference.

And did I really have to say that?

You didn’t have to say any of the above, as not one thing said in your response has anything to do with the things you quoted. NDST wasn’t even mentioned. They have zero relevance to the point being made. Way to veer off into left field. And assuming that you aren’t a Hornets fan, which is who was addressed in my prior post, I stand behind what I said.

It makes no sense why you guys care so much about a program you don’t like and why you waste time on a forum dedicated to that program. Again, anyone not a fan of the university or the football program should have better things to do with their time, but clearly they don’t.

You surely won’t find me on an NDST forum picking apart what that university/program is or isn’t doing. I’m not a fan, couldn’t care less, and they aren’t even a rival program providing the opportunity for friendly banter.

If you are a Hornets fan, the concern is understandable. But that’s not who was addressed in the quoted text.

 

[Kadeezy]

That’s what you think you got from my previous message?

I’ve been following this program and hoping for what’s going on now for roughly 40 years. My guess is that’s probably longer than you’ve been alive.

I’ve not changed any “tune”. I’ve been a member of this forum for over 16 years rooting the Hornets on.

I still see Luke Wood as a clown and I still think he hired the wrong coach for the wrong reasons. But I still root for the program and am happy to see the jump to FBS — finally. Not sure how that adds up to you as changing tune or the worm turning, but some things just defy explanation.

As you were.

16 years??? HA! Going back to 1.0 I'm at 23 years I think LOL

 

[SDHornet]

I'm curious where the tipping point is/was for all the people complaining about our decision to fund an FBS program. Where they hitting up all the other CSU FBS message boards, twitters, and local newspapers complaining about costs over the past decades or is our move the "final straw"? Are they complaining in other states that are funding their FBS programs with no different of a philosophy? Seems odd to single out our funding strategies when it's mimicking those already used elsewhere.

 

[sacstateman]

That’s what you think you got from my previous message?

I’ve been following this program and hoping for what’s going on now for roughly 40 years. My guess is that’s probably longer than you’ve been alive.

I’ve not changed any “tune”. I’ve been a member of this forum for over 16 years rooting the Hornets on.

I still see Luke Wood as a clown and I still think he hired the wrong coach for the wrong reasons. But I still root for the program and am happy to see the jump to FBS — finally. Not sure how that adds up to you as changing tune or the worm turning, but some things just defy explanation.

As you were.

I guess you got me...I've only been here 14 years but I was 61 when I joined sonny..I was talking about you jumping me about the comment I made to ES2X and I'll quote it again for you ..."I simply don't understand your obsession with a president of a school that you aren't connected to....Personally, I don't even know the name of any other schools president in the BSC....to each his own I suppose....Keep losing sleep over something that you can do NOTHING about..." then you popped in with a tirade about why I should care about ES2X's issues....Now you have come around and don't understand why these outsiders should care.....Try to stay up youngster....

 

[BuckeyeHornetFan]

16 years??? HA! Going back to 1.0 I'm at 23 years I think LOL

Yep. That’s apparently when I discovered this place, according to the membership records.

 

[StockonLB]

Cost cutting is reality that all of California needs to face in light of how rapidly our state government expanded the bureaucracy, including with temporary Covid funds. In this light, a football program might seem like a drop in bucket, but it is something. If students weren’t footing as much for education they might care less, but those costs have continued to rise as well.

Im not saying Sac FBS is wrong, just that I see their view, I just disagree. I think it can build the university more than the gloat of majors offered that are not applicable in today’s world, or at least have too many students in them than needed.

 

[StockonLB]

need for another $100+ million stadium in Sac once Republic is finalized seems a bit much. If FBS works out, 20k games at Railyards is probably just fine. Unless Cal Expo ponies up dough and needs a main tenant.

Some similar size protects:
-Boston Legacy $200mil renovation of art deco stadium:

Design: White Stadium – StadiumDB.com

stadiumdb.com

-Israel $100 million

Construction: Ashdod Stadium – StadiumDB.com

stadiumdb.com

Shekels seem to go further

 

[Green Cookie Monster]

If students weren’t footing as much for education they might care less, but those costs have continued to rise as well.

You do realize California college students pay the lowest tuition in the nation? With all the moaning and tantrums, these students are reaping a windfall/gift. Raising the IRA peanuts (what is it $80) is laughable when these same students are dropping $10 for a Starbucks everyday.

Yes, there maybe a small group of students who are truly indigent and are actually burdened by having to pay another $80 for 'sports' or something they dont care about. The beauty of the CSU is they can transfer to Stanislaus or East Bay and not pay the fees in Sacramento.

San Diego, SJSU and Fresno are magnet or semi flagship schools of the CSU, if you want to live in a better neighborhood there is a cost. Cal Poly, forever FCS, has a higher campus fee than any CSU and that corresponds to a campus that is perceived 'more academic' than other CSU's and that perception translates into higher applications in-state and nationally.

You pay to play.

 

[LoveSacState]

need for another $100+ million stadium in Sac once Republic is finalized seems a bit much. If FBS works out, 20k games at Railyards is probably just fine. Unless Cal Expo ponies up dough and needs a main tenant.

Some similar size protects:
-Boston Legacy $200mil renovation of art deco stadium:

Design: White Stadium – StadiumDB.com

stadiumdb.com

-Israel $100 million

Construction: Ashdod Stadium – StadiumDB.com

stadiumdb.com

Shekels seem to go further

Sac State will have their own yard from what I'm hearing at Cal Expo and the Railyards are not being talked about at the moment at least. People were complaining about a Cal Expo Stadium 1-3 miles away when they started discussing it. Now we are talking about the Railyards further away from campus doesn't make a lot of sense to me anyway. They need their own thing close to campus or if they pivot to on campus.