1-19

[KlondikeBear]

Any takers on the over/under?

 

[Beardown]

1-19 looks about right. I've noticed there is very little accountability and leadership on this team. This includes players and by players I mean team captains (probably not all of the captains, but some) and coaches. I've been following some on twitter and there is a couple things I've noticed. One is that these players love to party. We've got guys who are making references to weed. Some guys twitting about how much pussy they're getting while they're drunk off their asses. The other thing is that the players really do hate this coaching staff. I'm not sure how you're going to play your ass off for someone who have no respect for. There just seems to be a lack of effort on most players and coaches to get better. I'm not saying they shouldn't have fun but it seems like that's most of their priorities. I'm also sure there's some players who do want to get better as well. It just seems there should be an urgency to not let a season like last year to happen again. I don't see this from a lot of players and it's too bad.

I also check out tweets from other players from other teams. Seems like Montana State is really aiming high for the conference title. I see tweets from their players that mention how hard their working out and watching game film, etc. Must be nice! I would love to have those type of players and coaches at UNC. Maybe some day that will happen but I think it will be when Collins is gone, (which will probably be at years end). Meanwhile the true bluers will have to suck it out for our 9th straight losing season. Isn't life great in UNC land!

 

[vetteman]

Why is there talk of letting Collins go after 2 seasons when they gave Scott Downing 5 seasons before pulling the rug out. I say let Collins get his players in the system and judge him after 4-5 years. It didnt turn sour at UNC overnight and you will not turn it around in a season or two.

After witnessing this program first hand and also the 2010 FCS National Champs(Eastern Washington) this progam now has good coaching on board and some good solid players in the system. What I see is the major difference is the support system. You just dont hear the whining from the fans up in Washington and all the negativity that surrounds this team.

With fans like Beardown who needs enemies. Every team in the FCS is 0-0 right now and you would think that you would be more supportative, after coming off a 0-11 season. Talking about how much the players hate their coaching staff really is not what I consider a true fan. But again this is UNC and maybe I should not expect more from the fans.

Here's hoping that the team finishes in the top half of the conference, and watch you fair weather fans attempt to explain that away. GO BEARS

 

[Beardown]

Why is there talk of letting Collins go after 2 seasons when they gave Scott Downing 5 seasons before pulling the rug out. I say let Collins get his players in the system and judge him after 4-5 years. It didnt turn sour at UNC overnight and you will not turn it around in a season or two.

After witnessing this program first hand and also the 2010 FCS National Champs(Eastern Washington) this progam now has good coaching on board and some good solid players in the system. What I see is the major difference is the support system. You just dont hear the whining from the fans up in Washington and all the negativity that surrounds this team.

With fans like Beardown who needs enemies. Every team in the FCS is 0-0 right now and you would think that you would be more supportative, after coming off a 0-11 season. Talking about how much the players hate their coaching staff really is not what I consider a true fan. But again this is UNC and maybe I should not expect more from the fans.

Here's hoping that the team finishes in the top half of the conference, and watch you fair weather fans attempt to explain that away. GO BEARS

Eastern fans don't have a reason to be pissed off. They win! We've had 8 seasons without a winning record.

UNC needs to get kids like Denerious McGhee and Zach Minter from Montana State. They're locked in and focused on winning games. Our players probably look forward to Wednesday nights at the Whiskey River more than they do for games on Saturday. :evil: :evil:

The players don't respect these coaches. Those aren't my words, just ask 2 out of 3 players and they'll tell you.

 

[KlondikeBear]

My goof- it was 0-11 not 0 and 10. I'll say 1-20. I have a soft spot for horrible teams like Colorado Mesa but then again so does UNC for Colorado Mesa coaches. Didn't we beat a Adams state team 60-0 a few years back that beat Mesa the same year? If we can't obliterate Mesa it's gonna be a lonnnng season. As far as the comment about Collins job, who knows maybe it'll take 5 years and multiple coordinators to turn things around. All signs do point to a bad fcs staff and team. Idaho state and Mesa will be the telling tales of overall potential both players and coaches.

 

[scatterometry]

Why is there talk of letting Collins go after 2 seasons when they gave Scott Downing 5 seasons before pulling the rug out. I say let Collins get his players in the system and judge him after 4-5 years. It didnt turn sour at UNC overnight and you will not turn it around in a season or two.

After witnessing this program first hand and also the 2010 FCS National Champs(Eastern Washington) this progam now has good coaching on board and some good solid players in the system. What I see is the major difference is the support system. You just dont hear the whining from the fans up in Washington and all the negativity that surrounds this team.

With fans like Beardown who needs enemies. Every team in the FCS is 0-0 right now and you would think that you would be more supportative, after coming off a 0-11 season. Talking about how much the players hate their coaching staff really is not what I consider a true fan. But again this is UNC and maybe I should not expect more from the fans.

Here's hoping that the team finishes in the top half of the conference, and watch you fair weather fans attempt to explain that away. GO BEARS

Eastern fans don't have a reason to be pissed off. They win! We've had 8 seasons without a winning record.

UNC needs to get kids like Denerious McGhee and Zach Minter from Montana State. They're locked in and focused on winning games. Our players probably look forward to Wednesday nights at the Whiskey River more than they do for games on Saturday. :evil: :evil:

The players don't respect these coaches. Those aren't my words, just ask 2 out of 3 players and they'll tell you.

Sadly, what Beardown says is very true. It wouldn't take very many player conversations to figure that out.

The one that REALLY got me was a walk-on player that played a fair amount last year with the 2's
He got tired of the whole "constant negativity in coaching" situation and left before this Spring's practices & game (you could argue he should have told someone, I suppose...). NOT ONE COACH CALLED him to ask "what happened" or "why didn't you come back".
IMHO, such behavior from a supposed D1 coaching staff is completely INEXCUSABLE at this level of play!! Very telling as to how this staff regards and treats team players who bust their a**es and work hard to receive only "dressing down" and constant criticism as a reward.

 

[Bearsfan24]

Why is there talk of letting Collins go after 2 seasons when they gave Scott Downing 5 seasons before pulling the rug out. I say let Collins get his players in the system and judge him after 4-5 years. It didnt turn sour at UNC overnight and you will not turn it around in a season or two.

After witnessing this program first hand and also the 2010 FCS National Champs(Eastern Washington) this progam now has good coaching on board and some good solid players in the system. What I see is the major difference is the support system. You just dont hear the whining from the fans up in Washington and all the negativity that surrounds this team.

With fans like Beardown who needs enemies. Every team in the FCS is 0-0 right now and you would think that you would be more supportative, after coming off a 0-11 season. Talking about how much the players hate their coaching staff really is not what I consider a true fan. But again this is UNC and maybe I should not expect more from the fans.

Here's hoping that the team finishes in the top half of the conference, and watch you fair weather fans attempt to explain that away. GO BEARS

Eastern fans don't have a reason to be pissed off. They win! We've had 8 seasons without a winning record.

UNC needs to get kids like Denerious McGhee and Zach Minter from Montana State. They're locked in and focused on winning games. Our players probably look forward to Wednesday nights at the Whiskey River more than they do for games on Saturday. :evil: :evil:

The players don't respect these coaches. Those aren't my words, just ask 2 out of 3 players and they'll tell you.

Sadly, what Beardown says is very true. It wouldn't take very many player conversations to figure that out.

The one that REALLY got me was a walk-on player that played a fair amount last year with the 2's
He got tired of the whole "constant negativity in coaching" situation and left before this Spring's practices & game (you could argue he should have told someone, I suppose...). NOT ONE COACH CALLED him to ask "what happened" or "why didn't you come back".
IMHO, such behavior from a supposed D1 coaching staff is completely INEXCUSABLE at this level of play!! Very telling as to how this staff regards and treats team players who bust their a**es and work hard to receive only "dressing down" and constant criticism as a reward.

Since the coaching staff didn't ask the player why he left or what happen that makes them a bad coaching staff?? I don't get it. Players leave all the time, if this certain player left because he didn't like the new staff or whatever, then that's his choice. And that's fine. You know why they didn't ask, BECAUSE THAT'S THE CHOICE HE MADE.

Since when do we start babying college athletes to much? I didn't know they needed to be coddled, and for the coaches to hold their hands. When you sign and receive a scholarship, you're expected to do one thing, and that's perform. If you don't, you get called out or your ass chewed. I can't remember how many times I got my ass chewed, called out or whatever. That was back in high school!! Yeah Collins brings a different attitude to the program, and it can rub some people the wrong way.

I'm not defending this coaching staff, I just think some of thing that are being talk about are little picky. Oh no they didn't ask why a kid left, worst coaching staff ever, and they criticize the kids too much and hurt their feelers oh no. We should bring back Downing and his geee golly attitude along with his 9-100 record. :roll: :roll:

Oh and klondikebear, learn to do math dipshit. You got it wrong twice, if they won one game this year they'd be 1-10 add 0-11 would be 1-21.

 

[Beardown]

Scatt has a kid on the team so take that for what it's worth. I don't care if they don't like Collins and the staff but I wish they would respect the staff. There's a big difference. Anyone who's played any sports has probably had coaches they didn't like at all, but they respected. Visa/versa. It doesn't seem they respect anyone on that staff.

If we don't come close to a winning record, I don't think he and staff should be renewed. If he's given 3-5 years, that's too long to go without a winning season. That would be 10 years. No way.

 

[beardevil39]

You know all this bullshit will go away with a winning record !! Somebody help us !!

 

[budbear]

I don't think we could possibly be as bad as we were last year. If Coach Dalton is having any say in the offense and we fix the nonexistent defense, we should be able to win at least half of our games this year. We have some decent new players and with a year to fix all the problems we had last year we will be able to look at a much better team than we saw last year. Do any of you locals see how much input Coach Dalton is given in the program? If it were up to me I would have him run the whole thing.

 

[beardevil39]

I don't think we could possibly be as bad as we were last year. If Coach Dalton is having any say in the offense and we fix the nonexistent defense, we should be able to win at least half of our games this year. We have some decent new players and with a year to fix all the problems we had last year we will be able to look at a much better team than we saw last year. Do any of you locals see how much input Coach Dalton is given in the program? If it were up to me I would have him run the whole thing.

I was at the spring game and in my opinion Coach Daltons influence was all over the offense

 

[KlondikeBear]

Why is there talk of letting Collins go after 2 seasons when they gave Scott Downing 5 seasons before pulling the rug out. I say let Collins get his players in the system and judge him after 4-5 years. It didnt turn sour at UNC overnight and you will not turn it around in a season or two.

After witnessing this program first hand and also the 2010 FCS National Champs(Eastern Washington) this progam now has good coaching on board and some good solid players in the system. What I see is the major difference is the support system. You just dont hear the whining from the fans up in Washington and all the negativity that surrounds this team.

With fans like Beardown who needs enemies. Every team in the FCS is 0-0 right now and you would think that you would be more supportative, after coming off a 0-11 season. Talking about how much the players hate their coaching staff really is not what I consider a true fan. But again this is UNC and maybe I should not expect more from the fans.

Here's hoping that the team finishes in the top half of the conference, and watch you fair weather fans attempt to explain that away. GO BEARS

Eastern fans don't have a reason to be pissed off. They win! We've had 8 seasons without a winning record.

UNC needs to get kids like Denerious McGhee and Zach Minter from Montana State. They're locked in and focused on winning games. Our players probably look forward to Wednesday nights at the Whiskey River more than they do for games on Saturday. :evil: :evil:

The players don't respect these coaches. Those aren't my words, just ask 2 out of 3 players and they'll tell you.

Sadly, what Beardown says is very true. It wouldn't take very many player conversations to figure that out.

The one that REALLY got me was a walk-on player that played a fair amount last year with the 2's
He got tired of the whole "constant negativity in coaching" situation and left before this Spring's practices & game (you could argue he should have told someone, I suppose...). NOT ONE COACH CALLED him to ask "what happened" or "why didn't you come back".
IMHO, such behavior from a supposed D1 coaching staff is completely INEXCUSABLE at this level of play!! Very telling as to how this staff regards and treats team players who bust their a**es and work hard to receive only "dressing down" and constant criticism as a reward.

Since the coaching staff didn't ask the player why he left or what happen that makes them a bad coaching staff?? I don't get it. Players leave all the time, if this certain player left because he didn't like the new staff or whatever, then that's his choice. And that's fine. You know why they didn't ask, BECAUSE THAT'S THE CHOICE HE MADE.

Since when do we start babying college athletes to much? I didn't know they needed to be coddled, and for the coaches to hold their hands. When you sign and receive a scholarship, you're expected to do one thing, and that's perform. If you don't, you get called out or your ass chewed. I can't remember how many times I got my ass chewed, called out or whatever. That was back in high school!! Yeah Collins brings a different attitude to the program, and it can rub some people the wrong way.

I'm not defending this coaching staff, I just think some of thing that are being talk about are little picky. Oh no they didn't ask why a kid left, worst coaching staff ever, and they criticize the kids too much and hurt their feelers oh no. We should bring back Downing and his geee golly attitude along with his 9-100 record. :roll: :roll:

Oh and klondikebear, learn to do math dipshit. You got it wrong twice, if they won one game this year they'd be 1-10 add 0-11 would be 1-21.

Very true!!! But I'll be honest, after so many losses it really just becomes a moot point. Before this staff draws any comparisons to previous staffsI believe they ought to win at least 1 first and no that Mesa state school is a high school program so no that does not count. But anyway yes I do agree with you, 1-21 is worth defending. :clap:

 

[scatterometry]

Scatt has a kid on the team so take that for what it's worth.

Actually, my kid quit; he had an offer at CSU-Pueblo, but chose preferred walk-on at CSU .

I don't care if they don't like Collins and the staff but I wish they would respect the staff. There's a big difference. Anyone who's played any sports has probably had coaches they didn't like at all, but they respected. Visa/versa. It doesn't seem they respect anyone on that staff.

Interesting, but when we went on our Pueblo visit, there are 3 other players who had also quit UNC and went to CSU-Pueblo, some in the same class as my kid. It seems they're all looking for a more positive environment than appears to be currently available. The walk-on kid I spoke previously is a friend of the family. No, I don't think coaches are baby-sitters, but to let a kid, whom you played 40% of the time last year, walk with no explanation what-so-ever ...??? seems wrong to me...I wouldn't do it were I in their shoes...maybe I'm a babysitter ;-)

If we don't come close to a winning record, I don't think he and staff should be renewed. If he's given 3-5 years, that's too long to go without a winning season. That would be 10 years. No way.

talk to Hinrichs...

 

[Beardown]

Scatt has a kid on the team so take that for what it's worth.

Actually, my kid quit; he had an offer at CSU-Pueblo, but chose preferred walk-on at CSU .

I don't care if they don't like Collins and the staff but I wish they would respect the staff. There's a big difference. Anyone who's played any sports has probably had coaches they didn't like at all, but they respected. Visa/versa. It doesn't seem they respect anyone on that staff.

Interesting, but when we went on our Pueblo visit, there are 3 other players who had also quit UNC and went to CSU-Pueblo, some in the same class as my kid. It seems they're all looking for a more positive environment than appears to be currently available. The walk-on kid I spoke previously is a friend of the family. No, I don't think coaches are baby-sitters, but to let a kid, whom you played 40% of the time last year, walk with no explanation what-so-ever ...??? seems wrong to me...I wouldn't do it were I in their shoes...maybe I'm a babysitter ;-)

If we don't come close to a winning record, I don't think he and staff should be renewed. If he's given 3-5 years, that's too long to go without a winning season. That would be 10 years. No way.

talk to Hinrichs...

Who's your kid? Was it because of Collins or his position coach?

 

[mountainbear]

It has been interesting viewing the various perspectives on this thread. Beardown, I would respectfully disagree with you on some points, and strongly agree with you on others.
I have stated in past posts that I don't believe that players play "for " a coach, or staff. I believe that players accept the demands of their sport because a) love of the sport, or b) they need the financial assistance that scholarships bring. I also believe that these kids (young men) are competitors by nature and don't enjoy the humiliation of getting their asses kicked on a regular basis. I believe that for college athletes, there are no moral victories, only w's and l's. I don't know what "tweets" have been saying, so If I am off on this point, please accept my apologies.
I also believe that UNC wanted these kids to attend, and actively recruited most of them. I strongly agree with you on your statement that the players do not respect the coaching staff.......at all! While I am only back in Greeley for a few weeks throughout the year, I am amazed at the open resentment that is obvious when the players discuss this staff. Downing may have been perceived as too soft and protective of his players. These guys are often talked about with disdain, disrespect, fear, and hate. I do not believe for a minute that players have to love their coaches, but this borders on ridiculous, and will certainly not result in building our program.
From what I have seen and read, many high school programs are better managed than our DI program.

 

[mountainbear]

I would also add that Coach Dalton's input, expertise, and leadership is more that welcome!

 

[mountainbear]

After realizing that my comments have killed yet another thread, and reading and rereading other comments and observations I need to add a couple of thoughts.
I firmly stand by the observations/comments that I made earlier. I also realize that I have consistently posted comments relating to the need to support the coaches and program. This may sound weird, but i really do not think that the staff is intentionally creating the situation that they find themselves in.They were thrown into a last minute situation and attempted to hit the ground running, and like all collegiate level coaches are working to keep a job and further their career(s). I don't think that we will "turn the corner" doing business as we are. HOWEVER, if the staff is able to foster an "us" attitude we've got a chance. That is not to imply that players aren't challenged or pushed, rather that they believe the staff is working to make them their best as individuals and therefore as a team. Other posters have referenced coaches belittling players, and we have seen it (at games and on podcasts), as well as heard it in coaches interviews. I hope the new season brings new perspective, attitude, and results. Despite much of what I have seen and heard myself, i intend to continue to support this school and this program regardless where my work takes me.

 

[bearcrawls]

After realizing that my comments have killed yet another thread, and reading and rereading other comments and observations I need to add a couple of thoughts.
I firmly stand by the observations/comments that I made earlier. I also realize that I have consistently posted comments relating to the need to support the coaches and program. This may sound weird, but i really do not think that the staff is intentionally creating the situation that they find themselves in.They were thrown into a last minute situation and attempted to hit the ground running, and like all collegiate level coaches are working to keep a job and further their career(s). I don't think that we will "turn the corner" doing business as we are. HOWEVER, if the staff is able to foster an "us" attitude we've got a chance. That is not to imply that players aren't challenged or pushed, rather that they believe the staff is working to make them their best as individuals and therefore as a team. Other posters have referenced coaches belittling players, and we have seen it (at games and on podcasts), as well as heard it in coaches interviews. I hope the new season brings new perspective, attitude, and results. Despite much of what I have seen and heard myself, i intend to continue to support this school and this program regardless where my work takes me.

It will be interesting to see how the team reacts this year. However, I agree with Beardown in the fact that there appears to be a lack of respect towards the coaching staff because I felt last year there was a lack of respect from the coaches to the players. In turn, the coaching staff used motivational tools to rectify the issue. The t-shirts, the youtube videos and any other motivational tools being used won't win ball games. Talent wins balls games. I just don't believe the coaching staff has the knowledge or tools to make these kids BETTER football players. Hey it's just my opinion. But the 2 things that continue to stick out in my mind right now is the change in the new offense and Dalton coming in as an advisor. That tells me that the coaching staff has no confidence in themselves and is seeking desperate help.

 

[Beardown]

I think we can take some things away from what this staff has done and be somewhat optimistic.

First, we were able to hire two new assistants. Yes, very inexperienced assistants, but that doesn't mean it won't make a difference. Coach Smith MUST improve that offensive line if we're going to be a good team. The other pieces have fallen into place and this is my one big concern.

Second, coach Dalton is back. Don't need to explain much further.

Third, several of the transfers and freshmen will also make a difference. Leilon Willingham was considered the best defensive prospect to come out of the state two years ago. We'll have the best LB corps in the FCS.

Looking at this schedule though, it's going to be difficult to start out of the gate. We've got Utah, Mesa, MSU, Sac State and then Montana. That's looking like 1-4 to me. Then our schedule lightens up a bit. I'm hoping for wins against ISU and NAU.

 

[McCandyman]

I visited the campus last weekend with my son. I was surprised to see how many players were hanging out at the athletic facility. The players had organized a 7 on 7 game with CSU-Pueblo. This was done by the players, for the players. Anyone who says that this team doesn't have players who care about winning knows absolutely nothing about football. These players gave up time on their Saturday to make themselves better. Just a few days before they have to report to camp, they were out there in the heat competing and working as a team.

Anytime there is a coaching change in a program, there are always going to be kids on the team who don't relate to or respect the new coaching staff. Chances are there are players on the team that the coaching staff has no use for either. That is because coaches recruit players who have the attributes that they look for in an athlete. At every program, FCS, FBS, and Div II, players leave or are encouraged to leave, because they are not a good fit for the program anymore. Charlie Wies kicked the starting quarterback off the team at Kansas when he took over this year. Why? Because he did not think he was a good fit for HIS program. Coach Collins deserves a chance to recruit and build a group of players into a winning team. He can't be expected to step into Downing's mess and win with the players that he did not recruit. Downing's players may not like Collins, but what about the players that he and his staff recruited. Obviously someone is getting the message or their wouldn't have been 30+ players on the practice field last Saturday.

Support your team and your coaching staff, or find a new team. That goes for players and fans!!!