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2013 Recruiting

BuckeyeHornetFan

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I thought I'd start a thread regarding recruiting as news should start heating up soon.

According to Joe Davidson and a few other twitter sources, Sperbeck traveled up to Grass Valley this week to offer Cole Hannum a scholarship. Hannum is the Marysville HS 2-way star player (RB/LB) that transferred to Nevada Union this Summer only to have the CIF disqualify him for the entire season. While he never had an opportunity to play this Fall, he's supposed to be a damn good player. I'm assuming Sperbeck is recruiting him as a LB. So far, Cole has been offered by Army and Sac State.

The only verbal commit I've heard about thus far is 6'4", 222lb DE, Stone Sander from Placer High: http://www.auburnjournal.com/article/placers-stone-sander-gives-verbal-commitment-sacramento-state" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
A little early for solid offers from 1AA schools...the problem is if they offer a 2 or 3 star guy now, then many times the bigger schools will swoop in on them at the last minute and steal them away. Most of the action will start heating up in Jan when the 1AA schools start tripping their kids. Now with the WAC disolving I see Sac State and the Big Sky (in general) getting even more higher level recruits then before. Many times the WAC and Big Sky were competing for the same level of players.

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Yeah but all those programs just moved to the MWC. I don’t think the WAC going away opens up more recruits for 1AA.
 
On the Cal Poly Board there is some discussion about Dano Graves leaving Air Force to be closer to home.
If this was to happen we should have a good shot at him since he was verbaled to Sac State before signing with Air Force at the last minute.
 
So would he dump the Air Force altogether or do AFROTC at Sac? There IS precedent for that. Gymnast Jolane Parr left the Academy to enter AFROTC at Sac, while competing for our awesome gymnastics team.
 
Super Hornet said:
So would he dump the Air Force altogether or do AFROTC at Sac? There IS precedent for that. Gymnast Jolane Parr left the Academy to enter AFROTC at Sac, while competing for our awesome gymnastics team.

Makes sense with Sac having that AFROTC program. That was mentioned before he he signed with Air Force.
His favorite target at Folsom, Tyler Trosin has apparently left Oregon State and played this year for ARC. Tyler also had a Sac State offer before he opted for Oregon State. It would be nice to have both of them back at Sac State!
 
Trosin's dad was a great guy to coach with that one year I coached at Capital Christian. Too bad we had to have the star of the team break his arm. That sort of killed our season.

Of course, we had to hear about that from the pulpit the next day. The kid's dad was (still is) the senior pastor at Capital, and he was upset about the HMO. Understandably so, as the injury happened at the stroke of 2 PM on a Saturday (no lights at the stadium), and NO plan doctors wanted to work on a weekend. It took until 9 PM to secure permission for non-plan doctors to do the work. How stupid is THAT?!?

Anyways, despite making dumb coaching decisions myself (that'll happen the first year) like trying to install a nose-and-tackle cross with freshmen and sophomores AT HALFTIME (the other team ran right behind the stunt for a 50-yard TD), I had a really good time that year.
 
BuckeyeHornetFan said:
I thought I'd start a thread regarding recruiting as news should start heating up soon.

According to Joe Davidson and a few other twitter sources, Sperbeck traveled up to Grass Valley this week to offer Cole Hannum a scholarship. Hannum is the Marysville HS 2-way star player (RB/LB) that transferred to Nevada Union this Summer only to have the CIF disqualify him for the entire season. While he never had an opportunity to play this Fall, he's supposed to be a d@mn good player. I'm assuming Sperbeck is recruiting him as a LB. So far, Cole has been offered by Army and Sac State.
Does anybody know more about how this Hannum kid got disqualified? It seems like somebody screwed up.
 
just a sac state fan said:
Does anybody know more about how this Hannum kid got disqualified? It seems like somebody screwed up.

Here's the long and short of it: http://www.theunion.com/news/sports/2482677-113/sparks-section-coach-hannum

IMO, the CIF mishandled the situation and made a bad decision that cost the kid his Senior year. He never even played for the coach in question and his family legitimately moved to Penn Valley, which resides within NU's boundaries. Even worse, why was the coaches son ruled ineligible? The kid's dad relocated for a new job .. Does the CIF really not expect him to follow? Makes zero sense.
 
There is specific paperwork that's supposed to be filed with the section when a family moves. If said paperwork is NOT filed, the kid is ineligible, PERIOD. The whole idea is to prevent transfers that are solely sports-related, such as when Olympic water polo player Chris Humbert transferred from Lodi to Tokay during the '80s or the mass exodus of football players from Stockton-St. Mary's to Stockton-Franklin during the late '90s. Of course, with that last one, there were rumors of cash payments from the then-Franklin HC; MAJOR scandal. It was those transfers (not to mention the illegal recruiting Franklin was doing in Samoa) that actually made the inner-city HS good; as soon as the transfer factory got shut down, they immediately started sucking again, as they always have.

That's not to say that this applies to THIS kid. The sad thing is that to prevent these scandals, you have to have a filing rule that is applied across the board, and often the parents are unaware of the rule. Naturally, the school losing the kid is loathe to inform the parents, because if they don't know about it, they can file a protest with the section for illegal recruiting. Sounds like something that MIGHT have happened in THIS case.
 
Super Hornet said:
There is specific paperwork that's supposed to be filed with the section when a family moves. If said paperwork is NOT filed, the kid is ineligible, PERIOD. The whole idea is to prevent transfers that are solely sports-related, such as when Olympic water polo player Chris Humbert transferred from Lodi to Tokay during the '80s or the mass exodus of football players from Stockton-St. Mary's to Stockton-Franklin during the late '90s. Of course, with that last one, there were rumors of cash payments from the then-Franklin HC; MAJOR scandal. It was those transfers (not to mention the illegal recruiting Franklin was doing in Samoa) that actually made the inner-city HS good; as soon as the transfer factory got shut down, they immediately started sucking again, as they always have.

That's not to say that this applies to THIS kid. The sad thing is that to prevent these scandals, you have to have a filing rule that is applied across the board, and often the parents are unaware of the rule. Naturally, the school losing the kid is loathe to inform the parents, because if they don't know about it, they can file a protest with the section for illegal recruiting. Sounds like something that MIGHT have happened in THIS case.

SH,

The kid was not at all declared ineligible for the reasons you're speculating. In fact, the CIF transfer rules were changed this past Spring. Under the previous rules, a student athlete was allowed one transfer, even to an out of boundary school, prior to their Sophomore year. If a student athlete requested a transfer AFTER their Sophomore year had begun, then they had to file paperwork and reasoning why. If the transfer was deemed appropriate due to legitimate relocation or because the current school doesn't offer a desired academic program, then student athlete's request would likely be granted and he/she would not have to endure any type of lengthy sit out period (usually around 2 games).

Under the rules implemented this new school year, a student athlete can transfer at any time for essentially any reason. However, they may be subjected to a "sit out" period of up to 35 days for whatever athletic sports they participated in previously. For example, if a student athlete lives in Citrus Heights, doesn't relocate, but transfers to Folsom High School before the first day of the school year AND played football for his previous school, he would be ineligible until October 1st (basically the first 5 games). The same 35-day sit out period would apply for each and every other sport that student athlete also participated in previously.

In the case of Cole Hannum, since his transfer request included an actual relocation, he could have avoided the up to 35-day sit out period by submitting a hardship waiver and proving relocation. Apparently, he did all that and would have encountered no problems on that front.

In the end, the reason he was ruled ineligible had nothing to do with paperwork not being filed or that they felt his desire to transfer was possibly motivated by athletics. Under the new rules, the latter really doesn't even matter anymore.

He was ruled ineligible on the basis of "undue influence" as Pete Saco (who overturned his appeal) believes that he followed the Marysville coach over to Nevada Union. If not for the coincidence of the Marysville JV coach (for whom the kid had never played) accepting a job at the same school to which he applied to transfer, Hannum would have been ruled eligible to play for the Miners. At worst, he would have had to sit out 5 games if his hardship on the basis of relocation was denied. But he wouldn't have missed the entire season.
 
Thanks for the explanation, Buckeye. You're right; I WAS speculating, based off of what I've seen in my area.

I'm going to step out of the conversation at this point. I'm a big fan of Coach Saco, given that he was our girls hoops coach and AD before he became section commish. Therefore, any of my comments MIGHT be seen as in conflict of interest. You, SD, and GCM can take the ball from here; you're more likely to have better defended opinions, anyway.
 
Super Hornet said:
Thanks for the explanation, Buckeye. You're right; I WAS speculating, based off of what I've seen in my area.

I'm going to step out of the conversation at this point. I'm a big fan of Coach Saco, given that he was our girls hoops coach and AD before he became section commish. Therefore, any of my comments MIGHT be seen as in conflict of interest. You, SD, and GCM can take the ball from here; you're more likely to have better defended opinions, anyway.

No worries, SH. I hope it didn't come across like I was breaking balls or anything. Admittedly, I'm not at all an expert on the situation. I do not know any of the parties involved nor do I have any affiliation with Marysville or Nevada Union High School's.

I am slightly educated on the HS transfer rules, as I've been a coach for many years, and have been reading about and discussing the Cole Hannum situation on a different message board since the ordeal first began during the Summer. I'm just sharing info I've read in local newspaper reports and from sources I trust that are relatively close to the situation.

In regards to Pete Saco, I understand your position. And I'm not going to say that he is wrong because I don't have any idea what he knows and what info he has. But I do think it is a sad situation for everybody involved and I'm just sympathetic toward a kid that lost his Senior season over something political. Oddly enough, kids transfer schools in SoCal all the damn time, often for athletic motivated reasons, and rarely does anything like what's happened to Cole ever occur. It's kind of a running joke on the high school boards.

Anyway, I didn't mean to hi-jack my own thread and take it off-topic. I just wanted to provide an answer to the question that was asked.
 
Rivals is reporting that Salesian QB Jihad Vercher has verbally committed to Sacramento State. He is listed as a 3 star recruit who runs a 4.6 40 and is 6'0" and 202 lbs. Nice start to the recruiting year...
 
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Intriguing. Kid has to be tough with that name growing up too!
 
There's a few youtube videos of this kid. He looks like an exciting player with a lot of potential.

BTW, when was the last time the Hornets landed a 3 star recruit that didn't transfer in from an FBS school? I sure hope the kid isn't wooed away before signing day.
 
I think there were a couple in the class that WR Brandyn Reed came in on but they might have been JC transfers. I'm not sure though.
 
BuckeyeHornetFan said:
There's a few youtube videos of this kid. He looks like an exciting player with a lot of potential.

BTW, when was the last time the Hornets landed a 3 star recruit that didn't transfer in from an FBS school? I sure hope the kid isn't wooed away before signing day.


Great pick up. Those receivers look pretty good too!
 
BuckeyeHornetFan said:
There's a few youtube videos of this kid. He looks like an exciting player with a lot of potential.

BTW, when was the last time the Hornets landed a 3 star recruit that didn't transfer in from an FBS school? I sure hope the kid isn't wooed away before signing day.
Would it be a bad comparison to compare this guy to Vernon Adams? That is just who he kind of reminded me of watching those videos.
 

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