2015 schedule and reasonable expectations

[Obzerver]

Yep...it's all about the money. Teams from the east travel much less for either OOC or conf. games. Much easier to schedule games OOC due to close proximity/expenses. While we on the western side have so few options. Personally I hate our schedule (and most years as we seem to always have our backs to the wall having to win out) knowing we need to have a record good enough for home playoff games. Big time programs schedule FCS games all the time to bolster their records despite fans not liking them. Love the fact we play big time programs (players love it, great money for program and great recruiting tool). I'm not sure there's a solution simply based on our location and we don't generate enough gate (yet) to bring in teams and pay them on top of their travel expenses. Our conference is plenty tough to prepare us for playoff runs...this year 8-3 would make me a happy camper given the strength of schedule and challenge of the QB position.

 

[EWURanger]

Yep...it's all about the money. Teams from the east travel much less for either OOC or conf. games. Much easier to schedule games OOC due to close proximity/expenses. While we on the western side have so few options. Personally I hate our schedule (and most years as we seem to always have our backs to the wall having to win out) knowing we need to have a record good enough for home playoff games. Big time programs schedule FCS games all the time to bolster their records despite fans not liking them. Love the fact we play big time programs (players love it, great money for program and great recruiting tool). I'm not sure there's a solution simply based on our location and we don't generate enough gate (yet) to bring in teams and pay them on top of their travel expenses. Our conference is plenty tough to prepare us for playoff runs...this year 8-3 would make me a happy camper given the strength of schedule and challenge of the QB position.

Boom. My thoughts exactly.

 

[clawman1]

Yep...it's all about the money. Teams from the east travel much less for either OOC or conf. games. Much easier to schedule games OOC due to close proximity/expenses. While we on the western side have so few options. Personally I hate our schedule (and most years as we seem to always have our backs to the wall having to win out) knowing we need to have a record good enough for home playoff games. Big time programs schedule FCS games all the time to bolster their records despite fans not liking them. Love the fact we play big time programs (players love it, great money for program and great recruiting tool). I'm not sure there's a solution simply based on our location and we don't generate enough gate (yet) to bring in teams and pay them on top of their travel expenses. Our conference is plenty tough to prepare us for playoff runs...this year 8-3 would make me a happy camper given the strength of schedule and challenge of the QB position.

Obzerver, you are correct it is about the money. It is a business and needs to be treated as such.
Anybody KNOW what a charter cost? I'm not interested in guesses, hearsay or speculation.
Anybody watch the Bison nation blog?
Do their fans continually whine about their schedule?
Or do the Bison just go out and WIN?

 

[Vic E. Wallace]

clawman,
Renovation of the PUB could be on its way next Spring. It is in the Cheney Free Press. Students voted to increase their tuition $65.00 per qtr, starting in 2015. I remembered when the new portion of the PUB. I didn't read to much of the information, just what I wanted. Nice the Students are willing to tax themselves to help increase the space, etc for the PUB/themselves. Vic Wallace

 

[clawman1]

clawman,
Renovation of the PUB could be on its way next Spring. It is in the Cheney Free Press. Students voted to increase their tuition $65.00 per qtr, starting in 2015. I remembered when the new portion of the PUB. I didn't read to much of the information, just what I wanted. Nice the Students are willing to tax themselves to help increase the space, etc for the PUB/themselves. Vic Wallace

Hey Vic, good to hear from you. That is nice that students want to make their environment better and willing to pay for it.
I read over on e-Griz fans on that board have pledged over 200,000 to improve athletic facilities.

 

[LDopaPDX]

Yep...it's all about the money. Teams from the east travel much less for either OOC or conf. games. Much easier to schedule games OOC due to close proximity/expenses. While we on the western side have so few options. Personally I hate our schedule (and most years as we seem to always have our backs to the wall having to win out) knowing we need to have a record good enough for home playoff games. Big time programs schedule FCS games all the time to bolster their records despite fans not liking them. Love the fact we play big time programs (players love it, great money for program and great recruiting tool). I'm not sure there's a solution simply based on our location and we don't generate enough gate (yet) to bring in teams and pay them on top of their travel expenses. Our conference is plenty tough to prepare us for playoff runs...this year 8-3 would make me a happy camper given the strength of schedule and challenge of the QB position.

Obzerver, you are correct it is about the money. It is a business and needs to be treated as such.
Anybody KNOW what a charter cost? I'm not interested in guesses, hearsay or speculation.
Anybody watch the Bison nation blog?
Do their fans continually whine about their schedule?
Or do the Bison just go out and WIN?

A charter depends on what type of plane you are flying, mostly, and to a lesser degree the cost of fuel. The number of times you use the charter also factors in, as you usually pay hourly + a fuel surcharge. The more hours you buy, the cheaper the cost per hour. Therefore, purchasing several charters at once significantly reduces your cost.

For Eastern to take a 737 or comparable into Waterloo to play UNI, I'd very confident would be in the $35-$45k range depending on the discount amount.

Here's the thing that is important to note; Cheney is about 12 miles from an international airport. Any team near a major city is within two flight legs of being in Cheney. It is comparably very cheap for a team to get to Cheney versus many other Big Sky schools or FCS schools serviced only by small, regional airports. It would be substantially less cost for us to travel to Staten Island to play Wagner Unversity than it will be to fly to Waterloo and take a bus into Cedar Falls.

 

[clawman1]

Yep...it's all about the money. Teams from the east travel much less for either OOC or conf. games. Much easier to schedule games OOC due to close proximity/expenses. While we on the western side have so few options. Personally I hate our schedule (and most years as we seem to always have our backs to the wall having to win out) knowing we need to have a record good enough for home playoff games. Big time programs schedule FCS games all the time to bolster their records despite fans not liking them. Love the fact we play big time programs (players love it, great money for program and great recruiting tool). I'm not sure there's a solution simply based on our location and we don't generate enough gate (yet) to bring in teams and pay them on top of their travel expenses. Our conference is plenty tough to prepare us for playoff runs...this year 8-3 would make me a happy camper given the strength of schedule and challenge of the QB position.

Obzerver, you are correct it is about the money. It is a business and needs to be treated as such.
Anybody KNOW what a charter cost? I'm not interested in guesses, hearsay or speculation.
Anybody watch the Bison nation blog?
Do their fans continually whine about their schedule?
Or do the Bison just go out and WIN?

A charter depends on what type of plane you are flying, mostly, and to a lesser degree the cost of fuel. The number of times you use the charter also factors in, as you usually pay hourly + a fuel surcharge. The more hours you buy, the cheaper the cost per hour. Therefore, purchasing several charters at once significantly reduces your cost.

For Eastern to take a 737 or comparable into Waterloo to play UNI, I'd very confident would be in the $35-$45k range depending on the discount amount.

Here's the thing that is important to note; Cheney is about 12 miles from an international airport. Any team near a major city is within two flight legs of being in Cheney. It is comparably very cheap for a team to get to Cheney versus many other Big Sky schools or FCS schools serviced only by small, regional airports. It would be substantially less cost for us to travel to Staten Island to play Wagner Unversity than it will be to fly to Waterloo and take a bus into Cedar Falls.

I've been told the charter to Eugene is 60k and the Cedar Falls charter is 100k

 

[luckyintheorder]

230 dollars a head on alaska airlines.... truck the equipment. Well under 30K. Not plausible maybe, but gives a sense of cost. How many travel? I had it around 125 head.

http://www.usskylink.com/users/quot...ret=Depart&hourret=8:00+PM&dateret=08/29/2015

This link gives an estimate between 37K and 57K. this is round trip.

 

[clawman1]

It is my understanding that Beau wants to get the team home from Oregon ASAP to prepare for N Iowa. I have to wonder if image has a little to do with it as well, it looks a lot better to put your team on a charter flight rather than multiple buses.
The charter to Cedar is obvious, limited flights and bus rides. They will want to get back to Cheney sooner than later to prepare for the Bobcats.

 

[LDopaPDX]

DOUBLE POSTEE

 

[LDopaPDX]

Yep...it's all about the money. Teams from the east travel much less for either OOC or conf. games. Much easier to schedule games OOC due to close proximity/expenses. While we on the western side have so few options. Personally I hate our schedule (and most years as we seem to always have our backs to the wall having to win out) knowing we need to have a record good enough for home playoff games. Big time programs schedule FCS games all the time to bolster their records despite fans not liking them. Love the fact we play big time programs (players love it, great money for program and great recruiting tool). I'm not sure there's a solution simply based on our location and we don't generate enough gate (yet) to bring in teams and pay them on top of their travel expenses. Our conference is plenty tough to prepare us for playoff runs...this year 8-3 would make me a happy camper given the strength of schedule and challenge of the QB position.

Obzerver, you are correct it is about the money. It is a business and needs to be treated as such.
Anybody KNOW what a charter cost? I'm not interested in guesses, hearsay or speculation.
Anybody watch the Bison nation blog?
Do their fans continually whine about their schedule?
Or do the Bison just go out and WIN?

A charter depends on what type of plane you are flying, mostly, and to a lesser degree the cost of fuel. The number of times you use the charter also factors in, as you usually pay hourly + a fuel surcharge. The more hours you buy, the cheaper the cost per hour. Therefore, purchasing several charters at once significantly reduces your cost.

For Eastern to take a 737 or comparable into Waterloo to play UNI, I'd very confident would be in the $35-$45k range depending on the discount amount.

Here's the thing that is important to note; Cheney is about 12 miles from an international airport. Any team near a major city is within two flight legs of being in Cheney. It is comparably very cheap for a team to get to Cheney versus many other Big Sky schools or FCS schools serviced only by small, regional airports. It would be substantially less cost for us to travel to Staten Island to play Wagner Unversity than it will be to fly to Waterloo and take a bus into Cedar Falls.

I've been told the charter to Eugene is 60k and the Cedar Falls charter is 100k

I looked into this and your numbers are closer to accurate than mine. To get 25 hours on larger aircraft with Netjets would be about $200k including fuel but not fuel surcharge. Fuel surcharge is defined as cost above the fixed purchase price of fuel as laid out in the contract. Hours are defined as when the crew boards the aircraft to when they leave it.

Trips to Waterloo and Eugene would likely equate to about 15 hours of time. Therefore, let's call it $210k total, and you'd get those two trip plus one more to the edge of the Midwest or Texas, or maybe a couple to places like Missoula for $210k. The numbers you quoted might be a little high, but probably pretty close.

For comparison, you could fly the entire team and staff to NYC to meet the Wagner University game I laid out as an example for about $30k on commercial airlines. The gulf between private and commercial is pretty damn big, which makes having a local international airport all the more appealing as a destination.