Big T, I am confused by your frustration with BigWaldO. To me it seems like you two have to be right. If the purpose is to talk about what the team needs to be successful, then why dwell on the past. The past is past and if you have time to go back and watch all the games to count how many times someone hit a winning shot then you must be one of those people in Utah who have been diagnosed with COVID-19. So what if he made shots or not and don’t waste your time watching past games just so you can win a bet. BigWaldO is not going to leave the site even if you were correct. In fact right now your weakness is his strength. He knows he can get on your nerves and you are letting it happen. Sure he may be wrong but what will that do for you. Move on. Let it be.
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2020-21 WSU Wildcats
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MPWildcat - Let me ask you one honest question? If I were to call you out, with no facts and nothing to back up my claims would you be cool with it? If you say yes. Your spewing BS. Go back, and read what I wrote and what Waldo has written and then tell me why I shouldn’t give the facts! Are you buddies? I’ll say it how it is and if you give me any good reason and statistics to prove me wrong I will deal with it! But I’m not going to spout off about something I know nothing about. This conversation had nothing to do with the current team and what they need to do! I was asked by 2 individuals on this site to give me opinion of whether I thought Harding left a Weber better than how he found it. I gave an answer and it has morphed into this. So with that being said; I will give my final point about Harding, and hopefully Waldo will give it a rest! I doubt it, but if wants to keep spewing utter garbage I won’t reply for your sake mpwildcat! By the way! I own my own company and I am following the social distancing guidelines set by those in the know! I’m sorry if that offends you. I can also assure you that it doesn’t take long to get this info! One text works.
Now for the stats!
1 - 2/6/20 - Sac State - game tied 66-66 1:22 remaining. Harding runner in the lane 68-66 Weber. Weber wins 70-66!
2 - 2/8/20 - NAU Weber up double digits, NAU makes run cuts lead to 6 @ 66-61. 1:07 remaining. Harding drives, scores closes game out.
3- 1/23/20 - MSU leads 60-55, 34 seconds remaining. Kozak hits 3. 60-58 24 seconds. Harding layup and fouled with 15 seconds! Hits free throw Weber 61-60 MSU scores and wins 62-61.
4 - 1/25/20 -Montana. Weber down 2 with 7 seconds. Harding scores layup to tie game. Overtime - Harding 2 free throws 1:55 remaining. 81-80 Weber. Miss by Kozak and Davis. kozak two free throws with 24 seconds Weber by 3 83-80. Montana scores 83-82 Cody John 2 free throws 85-82. Harding 2 free throws with 1 second! Montana hits 3! Game 87-85 Weber.
These are the facts!! Hmmmm How could a dummy, who according to Waldo, who has never even played basketball come up with such information? There is more where that came from and I didn’t even look through half the game feeds for last year. Should we go back and go through the last 3 years?
Now for the stats!
1 - 2/6/20 - Sac State - game tied 66-66 1:22 remaining. Harding runner in the lane 68-66 Weber. Weber wins 70-66!
2 - 2/8/20 - NAU Weber up double digits, NAU makes run cuts lead to 6 @ 66-61. 1:07 remaining. Harding drives, scores closes game out.
3- 1/23/20 - MSU leads 60-55, 34 seconds remaining. Kozak hits 3. 60-58 24 seconds. Harding layup and fouled with 15 seconds! Hits free throw Weber 61-60 MSU scores and wins 62-61.
4 - 1/25/20 -Montana. Weber down 2 with 7 seconds. Harding scores layup to tie game. Overtime - Harding 2 free throws 1:55 remaining. 81-80 Weber. Miss by Kozak and Davis. kozak two free throws with 24 seconds Weber by 3 83-80. Montana scores 83-82 Cody John 2 free throws 85-82. Harding 2 free throws with 1 second! Montana hits 3! Game 87-85 Weber.
These are the facts!! Hmmmm How could a dummy, who according to Waldo, who has never even played basketball come up with such information? There is more where that came from and I didn’t even look through half the game feeds for last year. Should we go back and go through the last 3 years?
You did a job well done. You are a master. I am totally proud of you. You are awesome. Way to go. Let me know your business name and I will send you a cookie for all your knowledge and determination to prove everyone wrong. Keep up the good work. I would love to challenge you but according to your resume you have shared you are one of the elites. Good luck to you. Keep working hard on your business and stats
Big T, I am not one to argue with you. I said what I said because you know that everyone has their opinions. He had his and you had yours. You both could argue tons about the subject. You made great points about Harding. I also have to say that I have agreed with many of your posts in the past. I have been one to stand up for you in other posts. I too have been watching and cheering for Weber State basketball for years. I remember watching Bruce Collins, Aaron McCarthy, Tom Haywood, and many many more. I have seen local players come in and not play that maybe should have played for Weber. But one of the many posts that I liked from you is where you stuck up for one of the locals who I feel should have played because he worked hard and that was Morris. I am not saying he should have played a lot but you stuck up for him and I was happy to see others do it as well. I know that BigWaldO has his opinions and your question at the beginning of the post asking if I would take it, I would because these are opinions of others. I too have been caught up and responded fiercely as well and I realized it got me no where. I respect what you say about the team and your knowledge of the game. Keep those comments up. You have a lot of good things to say.
MPWildcat - I’m glad that I didn’t respond to your post at 11:52! I probably would have said some things I would regret. I will admit that I have some strong opinions, but I won’t post them unless I have backing about what I’m claiming. After all, this is a sports forum and sports involve analytics. One thing I won’t do is purposely make fun of others. I will however state the facts and if they don’t like it then so be it. I believe that Waldo has some good points, but if he calls me out I will give him the facts. If I’m wrong, then I will eat it! If Harding becomes a dud and amounts to nothing after college I will admit I was wrong. It’s part of the game. You call it how you see it and when you are wrong you swallow your pride and take it. So we will see.
I hear you though, sometimes it isn’t worth it! Sometimes it falls on deaf ears. It’s like coaching, You teach them how to break a press or run a play and then they get in the game and completely lose it and forget everything you taught them in the heat of the moment. Usually I don’t beat things into the ground this much, but I feel it’s completely disrespectful to fault a guy like Harding who did the best he could, laid it out there every night and was not only injured, but was out of shape and started playing to help the team, when he wasn’t really ready. And still was the leading scorer in wildcat history. I’m sorry but I’m going to give the guy his do, and defend it if I’m questioned.
Just let me say, I appreciate your response. I feel as though I understand you better, and I’m glad that there are other passionate Wildcat fans out there. We need more. Have a good one!
I hear you though, sometimes it isn’t worth it! Sometimes it falls on deaf ears. It’s like coaching, You teach them how to break a press or run a play and then they get in the game and completely lose it and forget everything you taught them in the heat of the moment. Usually I don’t beat things into the ground this much, but I feel it’s completely disrespectful to fault a guy like Harding who did the best he could, laid it out there every night and was not only injured, but was out of shape and started playing to help the team, when he wasn’t really ready. And still was the leading scorer in wildcat history. I’m sorry but I’m going to give the guy his do, and defend it if I’m questioned.
Just let me say, I appreciate your response. I feel as though I understand you better, and I’m glad that there are other passionate Wildcat fans out there. We need more. Have a good one!
I apréciate what you said. I too think that Harding did his best for all that he went through. He did not have a lot of help. I think that deep down BigWaldO feels the same despite what he is saying. He too had some good points about it. I like your passion for the game and Weber State. Keep it up
BigT said:
I lived your dream I’m satisfied with how my career played out because at some point you probably cheered for me. Who knows I may have been your favorite player at one point. you misinterpreted what I said I don’t care about clutch shots in the last two minutes of a game I am talking about last possession 10 seconds on the clock make or break game winning shots when the play was called for him either when the game was tied or we were down. The only buzzer beater I remember in the last two years Harding wasn’t even a part of. Credit to Barnes and John for the assist. Of course you are going to find more than 2 shots in a two minute span. There is a lot more to basketball than stats my friend. I don’t expect someone who is more afraid to get a players autograph than he is to get to know the player on personal level to know anything other than “stats” and olds is the same way. I remember olds sitting at our practices back in the day and only gettting his insight from coach Rahe himself and never talking to an actual player.
I really don’t see a point in arguing this with you anymore. Its obviously not going to change your skewed position. Last bit of insight for you. Basketball players, people that played at high levels don’t care to argue stats because they can be misleading at times, wins and championships are all that matter to a basketball player. Stats don’t always reveal chemistry problems or how much heart a player has because they can be skewed by several different variables. I applaud you for having an opinion to argue cause that’s what this forum is about. Im just an old player that wants people to know the perspective of a player. Hot takes are what make this thing fun. I’m not going to change my opinion cause I have witnessed it and investigated it just like you aren’t going to change yours cause you feel that the stats show. One thing we can agree on is Harding is a good player and he will no doubt have success overseas cause of his ability to score.
BigWaldo - With all do respect, The whole conversation started with what I thought of Harding. And at the end of your last post, you come out and say Harding is a good player and will be successful! Make up your mind. So why did we beat this into the ground? I respect that you played Ball at a high level! But you should respect that you aren’t the only one who has played at a high level. I understand chemistry, I understand team play. I agree with you.
What you fail to acknowledge is that it takes more than the team and it’s players. When you say things like “ fans haven’t played at a high level, so they don’t know” Those are the things that alienate all those fans who made it possible for anyone to play ball at any level. Donors who pay large sums of money to support the athletes who come through the program. Facilities improved and buildings built by those donors. Coaches salaries supplemented by those fans who have no clue what’s going on. There just the dummies in the seats!
Some of the best coaches in the world never competed at the highest level. Not even junior college.
We will agree to disagree! And as you say, your opinion isn’t going to change because you played at a high level. And mine isn’t going to change either! Huge difference between being a player at a high level and actually fully understanding what works! So God Rest Rick Majerus’s sole, because he never played at a high level! Just took the Utes to the championship, which has never happened in Weber State history, after all stats don’t matter, just championships!
What you fail to acknowledge is that it takes more than the team and it’s players. When you say things like “ fans haven’t played at a high level, so they don’t know” Those are the things that alienate all those fans who made it possible for anyone to play ball at any level. Donors who pay large sums of money to support the athletes who come through the program. Facilities improved and buildings built by those donors. Coaches salaries supplemented by those fans who have no clue what’s going on. There just the dummies in the seats!
Some of the best coaches in the world never competed at the highest level. Not even junior college.
We will agree to disagree! And as you say, your opinion isn’t going to change because you played at a high level. And mine isn’t going to change either! Huge difference between being a player at a high level and actually fully understanding what works! So God Rest Rick Majerus’s sole, because he never played at a high level! Just took the Utes to the championship, which has never happened in Weber State history, after all stats don’t matter, just championships!
BigT said:
My mind has been made up, I never once said Harding wasn’t good my point was that his play may have negatively effected this program more than people think. I respect the contribution donors make but that is also there choice to be donors and as an athlete fans are awesome but it seems that the fans who only pay to see games get more credit than donors. I don’t mean to sound rude but not once while I played did I think or care about who or what was donated as that is how most athletes think. Unless you are a donor that constantly spends time with us or a fellow basketball alum we don’t really know who you are, and its a sad truth. You are right about a lot of good coaches never playing but if they didn’t play they studied the game more than the average person. I still think the greatest coaches were the ones that played because they know how to relate to their players better but there are a few that didn’t. Whether the arguing gets out of hand or not it’s good to have people to debate something with during this crazy time.
BigWaldO said:
This. Not a single player cares about donations, donors, etc. they just care about what’s in it for them. I wish I knew who you guys were though. Maybe tell us which year was your senior or last years playing? I cheer for all wildcats, not necessarily all coaches. I know 100% I cheered my heart out for you guys. Thank you! I’m secreting hoping you guys are someone like Johnny Hamilton, Nic Sparrow, Dan Henry, Andy Jenson, or Eddie Gill. Some of my all-time favorites.
Rahe never played basketball more than high school. And it shows. Apparently he was an okay baseball player at a CC. He’s not an athlete, and never was (not that baseball players aren’t, just him). I think we see too many mind games or mental struggles with our teams, rather than the emotion needed to coach. I’d 100% prefer a coach who has played at the college level of the sport that are coaching.
All things considered, we might be average to freaky good next year. But it might be a one time thing. I agree, that these signees sound off the alarm of panic and distress. Nothing in the pipeline coming up. Next year or bust for Randy. I don’t think Compton is one to fire a coach, as he should’ve been fired himself. I hope the team gels and gets to the dance, but I’m highly skeptical. Also, I think this recruit that’s going to announce in the morning, is 100% drama with some sort of political motive to holding out his public announcement. I could be looking into things too much though.
Also, Olds, you still spout off way too much. You’re Bball IQ in like 10. You are wrong nearly 99% of the time on things. Please quite speculative talk. I’m expecting some comment soon of, “have you seen the new recruits play yet, I have, you should go watch them play....” All the while we are on lock down.
And @ Brett Hein. Please start using a new word other than “ostensibly” in every article. Please use it occasionally, and not every article from the past month. And I still don’t read the SE simply because I hate the signing up stuff. I simply think it’s stupid when the bottom of the food chain is requiring a “free” subscription.
BigWaldO said:
This. Not a single player cares about donations, donors, etc. they just care about what’s in it for them. I wish I knew who you guys were though. Maybe tell us which year was your senior or last years playing? I cheer for all wildcats, not necessarily all coaches. I know 100% I cheered my heart out for you guys. Thank you! I’m secreting hoping you guys are someone like Johnny Hamilton, Nic Sparrow, Dan Henry, Andy Jenson, or Eddie Gill. Some of my all-time favorites.
Rahe never played basketball more than high school. And it shows. Apparently he was an okay baseball player at a CC. He’s not an athlete, and never was (not that baseball players aren’t, just him). I think we see too many mind games or mental struggles with our teams, rather than the emotion needed to coach. I’d 100% prefer a coach who has played at the college level of the sport that are coaching.
All things considered, we might be average to freaky good next year. But it might be a one time thing. I agree, that these signees sound off the alarm of panic and distress. Nothing in the pipeline coming up. Next year or bust for Randy. I don’t think Compton is one to fire a coach, as he should’ve been fired himself. I hope the team gels and gets to the dance, but I’m highly skeptical. Also, I think this recruit that’s going to announce in the morning, is 100% drama with some sort of political motive to holding out his public announcement. I could be looking into things too much though.
Also, Olds, you still spout off way too much. You’re Bball IQ in like 10. You are wrong nearly 99% of the time on things. Please quite speculative talk. I’m expecting some comment soon of, “have you seen the new recruits play yet, I have, you should go watch them play....” All the while we are on lock down.
And @ Brett Hein. Please start using a new word other than “ostensibly” in every article. Please use it occasionally, and not every article from the past month. And I still don’t read the SE simply because I hate the signing up stuff. I simply think it’s stupid when the bottom of the food chain is requiring a “free” subscription.
Chex
Active member
Hi all,
Anyone who posts on this site and is a Weber State fan is a winner in my book...even with varying opinions.
I love the passion! Don’t get too caught up into stats because as Homer Simpson said, “You can make up stats to prove anything, 80% of people know that.” I try to be respectful and don’t wear my heart on my sleeve.
I like Harding, but I think he didn’t hit a lot of game winners. I think coaching has a lot to do with the poor style of play...which made it look selfish shot selection. I hate that weave.
I also hate the trend chasing in sports: baseball’s spin rate, launch angle, now it seems basketball is making a heavy 3 point trend everyone is following.
I say get great players and then game plan to them. Maybe with this heavy transfer squad, that is what is being attempted. I guess we will see..but if that crappy weave is run, it won’t matter how good these players are.
Anyone who posts on this site and is a Weber State fan is a winner in my book...even with varying opinions.
I love the passion! Don’t get too caught up into stats because as Homer Simpson said, “You can make up stats to prove anything, 80% of people know that.” I try to be respectful and don’t wear my heart on my sleeve.
I like Harding, but I think he didn’t hit a lot of game winners. I think coaching has a lot to do with the poor style of play...which made it look selfish shot selection. I hate that weave.
I also hate the trend chasing in sports: baseball’s spin rate, launch angle, now it seems basketball is making a heavy 3 point trend everyone is following.
I say get great players and then game plan to them. Maybe with this heavy transfer squad, that is what is being attempted. I guess we will see..but if that crappy weave is run, it won’t matter how good these players are.
oldrunner said:
Great addition. I’ve really liked the spring additions. Now we need a good big to sign and Randy will be done. No random dudes from Myerscough please!!
oldrunner
Active member
VC doesn't show it, but Dillon was rated a 3 star by at least one rating service. He is a more consistent 3 point shot away from being a 4 star. If he works hard on his outside shooting he can be really, really good. He seems to have a great attitude to work hard and get better. My feelings are that he is going to be a great future player for us. He averaged point guard numbers for assists and post player numbers for rebounds. He has a really big wingspan and plays much bigger than his 6'6'' frame. He has played everything from PG to PF and does it all well. He is a highly skilled and motivated player. I don't know if he is an immediate game changer for this coming year, but he is definitely in the future. I see nothing but good for him.
sacstateman
Active member
Come on, give Olds a break....if the kid is as good as he claims, RR will bench him next year and he will transfer out after that....or maybe RR will counsel him out cuz he's not as good as Cody John....what ever happens, he won't be a Wildcat for long unless Cody John gives him a copy of that photo that he held over RR's head the last 3 years.....
