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At least they are polite.
- Thread starter cecesdada
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You know, for Bradley to see that, Katz is really turning this program around. The wins will come down the road. Now is the time to finish out the season strong, finish out the semester hard with the books, start working hard in the weight room as well as the gym on fundamentals, and come out firing when practice starts again in October.
luvthegame
Member
That is AWESOME!!!
Goes back to that old saying
Competition doesn't build character....it reveals it!
Good for those young men and that coach! Character is going to get these boys a lot farther then wins!!
Goes back to that old saying
Competition doesn't build character....it reveals it!
Good for those young men and that coach! Character is going to get these boys a lot farther then wins!!
ICanGrabRim
Member
Curious as to why nobody is wondering why Loren Leath didn't play this past weekend...
I heard from a source on the bus that they were just starting to pull away from the curb and Loren was running behind the bus with his things trying to get them to stop so he could get on. Multiple players told Katz that he was trying to catch the bus and Katz told the driver to keep going. The bus still had not left campus when Loren called Katz on his cell and explained why he was late, but Katz didn't care. That's why we didn't have our top scorer last weekend...
I heard from a source on the bus that they were just starting to pull away from the curb and Loren was running behind the bus with his things trying to get them to stop so he could get on. Multiple players told Katz that he was trying to catch the bus and Katz told the driver to keep going. The bus still had not left campus when Loren called Katz on his cell and explained why he was late, but Katz didn't care. That's why we didn't have our top scorer last weekend...
If you're late, you're late. Sorry Leath had to learn this, but in the real world, if you are late, it may cost you your job, your business money, etc. Katz was teaching him a lesson. Leath should have known. And he should have called him earlier to say he was going to be late. Besides, airplanes don't wait for folks. They have to maintain a schedule too.
ICanGrabRim
Member
SactoHornetAlum said:
I was thinking along these lines too, but his excuse IMO was legit. I won't go into details here, but if I was the coach, I would have let him on after talking to him...
ICanGrabRim said:
His excuse may have been legit, but it sounds like if he may have had a better chance if he had called Coach before he was actually late to let him know. If I am the Coach and the player calls me before he is actually late and gives me a legit excuse, I would probably wait. With the technology out there these days, there is not excuse to not give advanced warning.
It is a bummer that it happened, but I am glad Katz stuck to his guns.
williestarbuck
Active member
I'm going to assume it wasn't Leath's first time and Katz decided that enough is enough (for those of you who think I hate Katz, see there. I can give him the benefit of the doubt). Personally, I expect that from Katz. Why humiliate a young man like that. Especially someone who's remained eligible, worked hard for him, fit into his system and bought into his BS all year. I wouldn't teach that 'lesson' to a freshman. I don't see the lesson in it. I do see the negative message it sends to the rest of the team, though. You don't leave a man behind. Soldiers don't do it, firemen don't do it, cops don't do it and coaches shouldn't do it either. Let him on the bus and don't play him for a half, or maybe even the whole game. But you don't leave him behind, running after the bus. It's humiliating. It's the same arrogance that pushed McGhee out. Katz: Leadership at it's worse.
By the way, I've been late a few times and never lost my job because of it.
By the way, I've been late a few times and never lost my job because of it.
EarleHornet
Active member
williestarbuck said:
We're not talking about soldiers, firemen or cops. We're talking about college kids that will learn: to do, what you are supposed to do. Be, where you are supposed to be, not on time but, early. These kids just learned a valuable lesson that will help them in life. This also sets an important precedent for the program going forward. This is not a "negative" message. It is a positive one for the future.
The Green Hornet
Active member
I agree with Williestarbuck. These guys AREN'T in the military, law enforcement or firemen so why such a drastic action. It's not like they were boarding the plane. I think Leath and the others would have gotten the message if Katz just had the bus drive down the road a little way and then stopped. Most coaches are autocratic anyway, with big egos. When Katz is a few years older and retired, he'll regret his actions.
williestarbuck said:
Willie, I don't think that you can say you don't hate Katz then say everything you just said about his "BS", arrogance, and his "Leadership at it's worst." Like others have said, maybe Leath's excuse was legit, however most of us will never know, but obviously Katz didn't think it was and whether you're a coach or a professor or a boss, being late is seen as disrespect for those involved. Maybe he could have just benched him, however what's done is done. Katz is a hardass, but he isn't unfair or intentionally a jerk.
On another note, that little article was an interesting read. It's good to see some positive talk out there about the school, players, and coaches where more people can see it and maybe start to believe good things will come.
Actually in the real world you ask the fed for a multi-billion dollar bailout.
With the story relating to Katz leaving Leath (ignoring any reasons why he was late): Way to show some respect for a player that has stuck with this program/school and is one of the leading scorers in Sac State bball history. This sends a good message to those who are even (if any at all) considering going to Sac State to play for this guy. Look on the bright side, at least Katz didn't push him under the bus :lol:
Kadeezy said:
I agree with Loren sticking through the tough times, but come on, Leath is not in charge of the program. He is on scholarship to go to school and play basketball and live by a set of rules set by the coaching staff and the Athletic Dept. If you do not follow them, you risk losing your scholarship and your place on the team roster. Pure and simple. Bottom line, he should have called before instead of after. There is no gray area in this matter.
We should have 15 scholarships to give next year, right?
williestarbuck
Active member
It doesn't matter what anyone says in defense of the man, I'm just not impressed with him. I don't know him and if he'd done some things different to show he might be a good coach, I'd sing his praises. I don't think it's unfair to compair Katz to Robinson at Oregon State. They came into the same situation, but handled their situations totally different. I can only wonder if Robinson would have had his team leader and most productive player chasing after a bus like a dog. And if the bus is still there, what's the reason to call? You guys go ahead and defend him if you want. I choose to call it like I see it.
Funny the one bright spot in a tanked season was lost when Leath fell 11 points shy of becoming the 29th player in Big Sky history to amass 1,500 career points...If only he was fast enough to out run that bus.
Funny the one bright spot in a tanked season was lost when Leath fell 11 points shy of becoming the 29th player in Big Sky history to amass 1,500 career points...If only he was fast enough to out run that bus.
I hope that giving your opinion is "calling it like you see it".
I agree that I have a lot of respect for Loren for sticking with the program, but being late is being late. I also don't have all of the information; was this the first time he was late for anything or is there a pattern of him being? The thing that gets me about this story is that he called the coach to tell him he was late as he was chasing the bus. If you need to be on the bus at 11:00am for instance, and at 10:30, you realize that you are going to be late, call. There should be no instances where you realize you are going to be late at the time you are supposed to be there. I have no problem with Katz teaching him this lesson. Team rules are team rules regardless of who you are (star, bench warmer, etc.).
I, for one, am willing to give Coach Katz a chance to recruit and develop some players before I judge his performance as a coach.
I agree that I have a lot of respect for Loren for sticking with the program, but being late is being late. I also don't have all of the information; was this the first time he was late for anything or is there a pattern of him being? The thing that gets me about this story is that he called the coach to tell him he was late as he was chasing the bus. If you need to be on the bus at 11:00am for instance, and at 10:30, you realize that you are going to be late, call. There should be no instances where you realize you are going to be late at the time you are supposed to be there. I have no problem with Katz teaching him this lesson. Team rules are team rules regardless of who you are (star, bench warmer, etc.).
I, for one, am willing to give Coach Katz a chance to recruit and develop some players before I judge his performance as a coach.
williestarbuck said:
Unfair to compare Katz to Robinson at OSU? Are you serious? There is no comparison: Pac 10, millions upon millions of dollars in the program through ticket and TV revenue, same thing from football revenue, etc. Bad comparison. Try with a new coach in somewhere like the Big West or something like that.
