Best Team in State.. 2012-2013 Season

[GeorgeHayduke]

The JC kid will be the starting PG? Either way, between him or Davis learning Stew's system, for that matter, Rahe's system is extremely tough too, I think neither will be that comfortable. Granted, Wheels has a year in his respective program, but isn't 100% comfortable running they system. He was pretty much the backup SG last year. Yes, we have Richardson and Bamforth that can both run the team too. So no matter, I still say the PG spot is in favor of Weber.

Berry, and I know the arguments, is probably the 2nd best player in the state and will make a really good run at being the best by the end of the season. He is going to eat up most of the SF mins and same thing at the PG, USU doesn't have a SF that really knows the system, except Burger and he isnt on the same level athletically as Berry. I still USU the overall advantage because the game will be in Logan. The bench's are pretty close to being a draw; yet Weber might have a slight advantage. I think the factor might be Bolomboy. If USU had Harris it would be virtually even, but without him, not so much. Don't count on Lopez doing anything special. How's it been George?

Been going ok.

I think we have you this year. The simple reason being that Lillard isn't around any more, and, of course, we're playing in the Spectrum. Yeah, I think Roland, the JC transfer, will start at point, and Berger will start at SF. Berger's put on 30 lbs since last year. I'm not sure if Lopez will be eligible by our game. He may not be eligible until January, or whenever 2nd semester starts.

 

[WeberSki]

Re: Best Team In The State, 2012-13?
by weberwildcat » Today, 3:10 pm

I am thinking byu will be about the same, weber can't possibly be as good with lillard gone and we won 25 games. evn if we have a great year and win the big sky we still wont be as good as last yr. usu had a down year but had lots of post season wins so usu will improve for sure. utes are supposed to be garbage again, suu will be pretty bad

Flawed Logic, it's not that simple catcat

 

[weberwildcat]

Re: Best Team In The State, 2012-13?
by weberwildcat » Today, 3:10 pm

I am thinking byu will be about the same, weber can't possibly be as good with lillard gone and we won 25 games. evn if we have a great year and win the big sky we still wont be as good as last yr. usu had a down year but had lots of post season wins so usu will improve for sure. utes are supposed to be garbage again, suu will be pretty bad

Flawed Logic, it's not that simple catcat

you do not agree? ill expand.

byu - good again

usu - almost no way they could be worse, only way is up for a stew team, it was a rare down yr, ended up with over 20 wins because of all those cbi games.

weber - 25 wins very hard to top, no lillard - we could win the sky and have 20 wins, a great season, its not a dis to be down from last yr. though one could argue being conf champ automatically trumps as the better team. if this yr's team can out do last yr's it would be pretty remarkable. im always an optimistic fan so ill be hopeful. i really only care about winning the big sky title.

utes - will suck

suu - wont be very good

 

[oldrunner]

I would agree that BYU probably has an edge. It's clear that the top three will remain the same as last year. All three teams lost significant players and have capable replacements ready to fill in. There are always some unknowns who become well knowns as the season progresses. For Weber to claim the throne, we will need to win in Logan and beat BYU at home. For USU, it is a simmilar situation. For BYU to claim it, they must beat us at our place.

UU will never again be in the conversation, except when we consider UVU and SUU.

 

[WILDCAT]

Re: Best Team In The State, 2012-13?
by weberwildcat » Today, 3:10 pm

I am thinking byu will be about the same, weber can't possibly be as good with lillard gone and we won 25 games. evn if we have a great year and win the big sky we still wont be as good as last yr. usu had a down year but had lots of post season wins so usu will improve for sure. utes are supposed to be garbage again, suu will be pretty bad

Flawed Logic, it's not that simple catcat

you do not agree? ill expand.

byu - good again

usu - almost no way they could be worse, only way is up for a stew team, it was a rare down yr, ended up with over 20 wins because of all those HOME cbi games.

weber - 25 wins very hard to top, no lillard - we could win the sky and have 20 wins, a great season, its not a dis to be down from last yr. though one could argue being conf champ automatically trumps as the better team. if this yr's team can out do last yr's it would be pretty remarkable. im always an optimistic fan so ill be hopeful. i really only care about winning the big sky title.

utes - will suck

suu - wont be very good

Fixed it for you :thumb:

 

[MJA]

I wrote about this at the first of the summer and frankly, I don't think anything significant has changed which could change the pre-season order.

BYU - Haws is the best player in the state, I hate to say it, but he is.
Weber/USU (this is a wash, but due to the fact that USU is hosting the Cats, Weber probably should be third. Winning in the Spectrum is never easy, but gratefully we get them on a holiday weekend when the school will be empty).
UU
UVU
SUU

Weber vs. USU lineup
PG: Wheelwright vs. Davis Advantage: Weber (Davis will be good, but he is only a Fresh and Wheels has solid DI experience)
SG: Bam vs. Medlin Advantage: Draw (Bam looked a lot better in last years game than Medlin, but Preston figured things out pretty quick and is the team leader in Logan, but Bam is the team leader in Ogden so...)
SF: Barry vs. Butterfield Advantage: Weber
PF: Mook vs. Reed Advantage: USU (I love Mook, but Reed doesn't have to worry about bad knees)
C: Tresnak vs. Shaw Advantage: USU (this is a slight advantage, but I think Shaw is going to be really good for the Aggies, besides, Stew does a far better job of coaching bigs...look at his gut, thats why).

PG: Wheelwright vs. Roland Advantage: USU Roland was a Juco All-American and averaged 21 ppg and 4 apg last year, looked comfortable running the point in the exhib. Wheelwright has tons of potential and will likely be good, but not quite as polished as Roland. I also like Davis better than any backup PG on Weber.

SG: Bamforth vs. Medlin Advantage: USU It's laughable to watch Weber fans insist that since Bamforth outplayed Medlin in the game last year, that he is the better player or just as good as Medlin. Medlin was playing in the 2nd game of his Sophomore season...go check the season statistics and tell me with a straight face that Bamforth is the better player. Medlin averaged 17 ppg, 4.4 rpg, and 3.4 apg, he shot 50% from the field and 43% from 3. Bamforth averaged 14.5 ppg, 3.6 rpg, and 2.4 apg, shot 44% from the field and 40% from 3. The Medlin you saw last year was an early season Sophomore still finding his stroke. Bamforth is a very solid player for you guys, but isn't as well rounded as Medlin and I think Medlin takes a bigger step forward in his 2nd year as a starter than Bamforth does this year.

SF: Berry vs. Berger Advantage: Weber Berry sounds like an impressive scorer and I won't be surprised to see him put up Medlin-esque numbers this year for you guys. Berger reportedly is much improved this year, put on 30 pounds of muscle, and won't have his "mission legs" from last season. I think Berger will take a huge step forward, but Berry sounds like a legit scoring threat. However I like USU's depth more than Webers, making this a close one. Butterfield was the California Juco player of the year, and averaged 17 ppg and 9 rpg, he is a tough nosed player who will do all the dirty work. He will be a big asset off the bench for us this season.

PF: Otis vs. Reed Advantage: USU Not much of an argument needed here. Reed will be even better this year with a season under his belt, look for him to improve his 10 and 5 line from last season. Otis' knees will keep him from ever being a consistent force for you guys.

C: Tresnak vs. Shaw Advantage: USU All the reports on Shaw since he transferred from Oklahoma St and joined the program have been glowing about his potential and athleticism. Big, long, and being coached by some of the best in the business when it comes to post players...Shaw is going to be huge for us the next 2 seasons, he showed off his ability with his 15 and 8 line in our first exhib game. Tresnak is a more proven, keeping this pretty close, and showed solid scoring ability last season. However his toughness/rebounding needs to improve, but at 6'10 that can happen fairly easily.

Overall I think we are a better team this season. We are much improved from last year, and you guys are trying to replace a lottery pick. I think the game in Logan will be close, but with us eventually coming out on top something like 76-68

 

[wazzuwildcat03]

Here is my head to head comparison with Weber and USU.
PG. Wheelright and RIchardshon vs JC guy and true freshman. Advantage WEBER. Just becasue he was a JC all american doens't mean much. I checked and he was like a low level JC all american. He might be good, but our guys have acutally played D1 basketball and have done well.

SG Bam vs Medlin. Advangate USU. I love Bamforth and I think its close, but Medlin is better. Not tons though.

SF Berry vs. Berger. Advantage WEBER. Berry is going to be in the running for MVP in the Sky. Berger is solid, but not anywhere near Berry. I do worry about our depth here. USU is supposed to have a couple pretty good JC's at this spot, but Im not worried.

PF Otis and Fulton vs Reed and Clifford. Call me a homer, but advantage WEBER. Im sorry, but Reed is a good leaper and great athlete, but he cant shoot worth crap and he is not very big. He is 6'6 if that. If Reed had and jump shot he should play the SF, but he cant. If you add Bolomboy in there and our depth is better than theirs too. Otis is great on D and will smother him. I do worry about his knees, but he seemed fine in the scrimage. Fulton is a third year JR. He is not a bad on D and his ability to shoot form outside is huge for us. Sorry aggies.

Center. Tres and Hajek vs Shaw and Stone. I want to say we have the edge, but Im saying DRAW. I like our guys and I have heard Shaw is good. Stone is big, but has no offensive skills. I think he should be playing football instead of hoop. He would be a great offensive takle on the O line. ha ha.

Having said that because the game is in Logan the bad guys will probably win. I dream of the day where we win up there, but dang its so hard to win in the Spectrum. Monday night is first game. Cant wait. Go cats.

 

[weberwildcat]

i liked MJA and wazzu's grading of the two teams, for me it is hard to judge/predict players we have never seen play DI or very little experience. also, at the 4, both teams have no proven experience so who knows.

i like that this game is always played early so its anyones win and somewhat unpredictable but of course winning in logan is near impossible for any teams from the state of utah.

 

[UtahPirate]

Since you seem to have the USU/WSU matchups figured out MJA, do you think the Aggies can improve on their 4-11 road record last year, or are you guys just trying to figure out how to play more that 22 games at home again this year to make sure you get your 20 wins? Inquiring minds want to know....

 

[MJA]

Here is my head to head comparison with Weber and USU.
PG. Wheelright and RIchardshon vs JC guy and true freshman. Advantage WEBER. Just becasue he was a JC all american doens't mean much. I checked and he was like a low level JC all american. He might be good, but our guys have acutally played D1 basketball and have done well.

SG Bam vs Medlin. Advangate USU. I love Bamforth and I think its close, but Medlin is better. Not tons though.

SF Berry vs. Berger. Advantage WEBER. Berry is going to be in the running for MVP in the Sky. Berger is solid, but not anywhere near Berry. I do worry about our depth here. USU is supposed to have a couple pretty good JC's at this spot, but Im not worried.

PF Otis and Fulton vs Reed and Clifford. Call me a homer, but advantage WEBER. Im sorry, but Reed is a good leaper and great athlete, but he cant shoot worth crap and he is not very big. He is 6'6 if that. If Reed had and jump shot he should play the SF, but he cant. If you add Bolomboy in there and our depth is better than theirs too. Otis is great on D and will smother him. I do worry about his knees, but he seemed fine in the scrimage. Fulton is a third year JR. He is not a bad on D and his ability to shoot form outside is huge for us. Sorry aggies.

Center. Tres and Hajek vs Shaw and Stone. I want to say we have the edge, but Im saying DRAW. I like our guys and I have heard Shaw is good. Stone is big, but has no offensive skills. I think he should be playing football instead of hoop. He would be a great offensive takle on the O line. ha ha.

Having said that because the game is in Logan the bad guys will probably win. I dream of the day where we win up there, but dang its so hard to win in the Spectrum. Monday night is first game. Cant wait. Go cats.

2 problems. What is a low level JC All American? There is only 1 level of JC All American, that are picked from all Jucos in the country. He was picked as one of those...2nd team I believe. I will agree that it's a question mark for us because Roland and Davis are both new, but I think Roland is a much more polished player as a Junior out of Juco than Wheelwright or Richardson are as Sophs. I guess we'll see, as of now it's very close but I give a slight edge to USU.

The other issue is your analysis at PF...Reed started off slow last season but was still able to average 10 ppg and 5.1 rpg as well as 1.1 bpg, he also shot 61% from the field...so I'm not sure why you say he can't shoot? I guess he doesn't have too much range, but he has a decent mid range shot. We don't need our PF shooting 3s, we want him down low getting boards and dunking, which Reed has shown he is quite proficient at. Fulton is a decent player but not quite as talented as Reed, and Otis' knees just won't let him play starters minutes for a full season. I like Clifford as a backup also, he has a great motor and is scrappy, can shoot the 3, and was only a Frosh last year.

Good luck to you guys until the 24th!

 

[MJA]

Since you seem to have the USU/WSU matchups figured out MJA, do you think the Aggies can improve on their 4-11 road record last year, or are you guys just trying to figure out how to play more that 22 games at home again this year to make sure you get your 20 wins? Inquiring minds want to know....

You do realize we had 1 player on last years team that played more than 9 minutes the previous season...right? 1 player. If Weber lost every player who played more than 9 minutes per game the previous year in one off season, they would probably do quite a bit worse than USU fared last year...I guarantee that.

 

[wazzuwildcat03]

There are actually different levels of JC's I cant rember where I saw it, but your guy was like the lowest. He might be awesome, but since he has never played a single minute of D1, Im going with experience. Richardson is a JR too and not too shabby. He and wheels had to play behind the best player in Weber State history, and now they get to run the show. Wheelright was very highly recruited. He had offers from San Diego State and USC and has added about 15 pounds of muscle since last year . Reed shot 61% becasue the majority of his shorts are dunks and layups. I remember wathing him almost break the backboard last year when he shot a couple shots. It was UGLY!!!! Otis's knees are fine. I think he shuts down Reed. He is just as quick, taller and has at least 30 pounds on him. But you guys will win becasue its in Logan. :evil:

 

[MJA]

There are actually different levels of JC's I cant rember where I saw it, but your guy was like the lowest. He might be awesome, but since he has never played a single minute of D1, Im going with experience. Richardson is a JR too and not too shabby. He and wheels had to play behind the best player in Weber State history, and now they get to run the show. Wheelright was very highly recruited. He had offers from San Diego State and USC and has added about 15 pounds of muscle since last year . Reed shot 61% becasue the majority of his shorts are dunks and layups. I remember wathing him almost break the backboard last year when he shot a couple shots. It was UGLY!!!! Otis's knees are fine. I think he shuts down Reed. He is just as quick, taller and has at least 30 pounds on him. But you guys will win becasue its in Logan. :evil:

Actually you're right, Roland was a D2 JC All American, I stand corrected. However I've read that the team he played for played mostly D1 Jucos and had all the top Juco teams on their schedule, so averaging 21 PPG is still pretty impressive.

I haven't seen enough of Wheelwright or Richardson to say how good they will be, I just would take Roland's experience and polish. Who knows. Otis didn't impress me all that much last season against USU...he had like 2 points and 2 rebounds I think. He is not taller than Reed either and they're listed as 5 pounds different.

 

[Weber Pirate]

He is not taller than Reed either and they're listed as 5 pounds different.

:rofl: :rofl:
We all know that how a player is listed is not quite accurate. Both height and weight are "close" but not very. Kind of like the difference between using a gun and a hand gernade. One requires precision the other is just close. Besides that who knows when the measurements were taken???

 

[weberwildcat]

otis is about 6-5 maybe 6-6 i think. i dont know about reed, i did see him play at san jose last yr and he was taller than that. i have noticed over the years all the guys on our roster that are 6-2 to 6-4 range are usually not taller than me in person yet if i was a player i would be listed as what? 6-5? ha ha where as i am closer to 5-11

2009 fan of the year bengalhater was 6-5 in the purple pak program. but we all know he is 5-10.

 

[MJA]

otis is about 6-5 maybe 6-6 i think. i dont know about reed, i did see him play at san jose last yr and he was taller than that. i have noticed over the years all the guys on our roster that are 6-2 to 6-4 range are usually not taller than me in person yet if i was a player i would be listed as what? 6-5? ha ha where as i am closer to 5-11

2009 fan of the year bengalhater was 6-5 in the purple pak program. but we all know he is 5-10.

Reed is 6-6

 

[ajwildcat]

opcorn:

 

[MJA]

Bamforth sucks... :lol: