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Big Sky Tournament - Boise

I was looking in the trophy case and I noticed that Weber has won the regular season around twice as many times as the conference tourney. It feels like it’s our turn to win the conference without a top seed. I know some fans are not impressed with this years results but this team is very capable of beating anyone in the Big Sky. If we have a big and loud crowd in Boise, I like our chances!
 
WEberNation said:
I was looking in the trophy case and I noticed that Weber has won the regular season around twice as many times as the conference tourney. It feels like it’s our turn to win the conference without a top seed. I know some fans are not impressed with this years results but this team is very capable of beating anyone in the Big Sky. If we have a big and loud crowd in Boise, I like our chances!

Good on you for believing and staying positive.

I don’t see it. Weber State doesn’t play a full 40 minutes, so I don’t see them winning 3 straight games, especially vs Portland State, most likely Montana, and then Northern Colorado or EWU. They went 6-4 in conference at home, and pretty much lost every close game. They are soft inside on rebounding and defense. The play calls and coaching in close games are bad. There’s no cohesion or team play...just players trying to pad their stats. These are just the major problems I’m listing. I keep hearing they have a lot of talent. I don’t see that at all. No toughness or pride. They let the clown coach of EWU show them up and did nothing about it on their home finale.

I don’t see them beating Portland State. I think they play close, but fall apart in the last few minutes.

Plus, you better believe the officiating is going to try and influence the results to get Montana or Northern Colorado in...all the other teams have lousy records.

Show me a miracle Wildcats!
 
WEberNation said:
I was looking in the trophy case and I noticed that Weber has won the regular season around twice as many times as the conference tourney. It feels like it’s our turn to win the conference without a top seed. I know some fans are not impressed with this years results but this team is very capable of beating anyone in the Big Sky. If we have a big and loud crowd in Boise, I like our chances!

Did we fire Rahe? Because he can't coach this team to a Big Sky Tournament championship. The talent is there. The effort, focus, and coaching is not championship caliber.
 
I will admit this team has lost more than it’s share of close games. If Weber had won their games within 4 pts, they would have won the regular season title. Sometimes the ball does not bounce your way and you lose close games. It does not mean the team is bad or we need a new coach. As long as the team is competing and within striking distance of a title, coach has my support. I predict a solid win vs PSU and that the follow game or two will come right down to the end.
 
WEberNation said:
I will admit this team has lost more than it’s share of close games. If Weber had won their games within 4 pts, they would have won the regular season title. Sometimes the ball does not bounce your way and you lose close games. It does not mean the team is bad or we need a new coach. As long as the team is competing and within striking distance of a title, coach has my support. I predict a solid win vs PSU and that the follow game or two will come right down to the end.

You know the old saying, “If ifs and buts, were candy and nuts, we’d all have a wonderful Christmas,” or in this case if ifs and buts were good defense and made shots in the clutch, the Wildcats would have won the Big Sky.

I know some times the ball doesn’t bounce your way, but Weber State has pretty much lost almost every close game. That goes down to confidence, coaching, and execution, and it means the team does have issues.

I wouldn’t call 11-9 conference record competing or within striking distance. Most times that won’t get you a 4th seed. 7-5 at home is pathetic. I’m not counting the preseason fillers.

With Weber State’s history and facilities, there is no reason they can’t be expected to win the title every year or be right at the top. I think settling for trying to win it every four years and be okay with mediocrity other years is not acceptable and sells the program short.

I think Rahe is a good guy, and honestly, I pull for him and hope he can change things, but he has a long history of having teams that crumble down the stretch or any close games (Montana championship game of blowing a 20 point lead springs to mind), he has an apathy for instate games, and he kind of just brushes off fans or just throws up excuses all the time instead of taking accountability or firing up the team. I think every team the Wildcats play is a veteran team to him.

Last time they won the tourney, I think Montana just choked worse than Weber State did.

No way they soundly beat Portland State. That team runs full court presses and the Wildcats turnover the ball plenty anyway.

Close game until the final 3 minutes and then the team fades away as usual.

Hoping you have me eating crow. Doubt it very much. Not spending money on going to Boise, and less likely going to as many home games as I do now until some energy and emotion come back to the Wildcats games at the Purple Palace.
 
Was reading the Hein on twitter and only could shake my head. He is hoping for Idaho and Idaho State to have good teams so that fans actually show up? Are you kidding me? Weber State fans are probably the most likely to travel, along with Montana, and the place will be empty. Only way the arena will look somewhat decent will be if Idaho or Idaho State make it to the final. But, is that fair? To me, it isn't fair that the tournament is in Boise where Idaho and Idaho State could get a huge advantage over all the other schools in attendance because the tournament is in their backyard. Remember 1994??? Weber was the top seed and had to play at 6th seed Boise State and lost in the first round. That Weber State team would go on to beat Michigan State and lose a heart breaker to Georgetown the next season. Imagine if they would have hosted the tournament and gone to the dance in 94?

FACT: We are a 1 seed conference. The best team should have the easiest and most advantageous route to the Big Dance, if we have to have a post season tournament. Montana should be hosting.

FACT: The regular season is worthless right now. What is the purpose? Everyone gets a participation ribbon and the last Saturday doesn't really matter since everyone gets to go anyway. UNCO would have played with a little more passion and their place would have been full if it meant the difference between hosting this week, and being #1, or having to go to Montana.

FACT: Everyone goes and so why compete every week, since you are guaranteed a berth in the tournament on a neutral court. Idaho, the worst team, could get hot, behind a partisan fan base and win the entire tournament this week. Their record doesn't matter. Only thing that matters is this week. The season doesn't matter. Fans know it. Why support and get excited when the only thing that matters is a week in Boise, and by this point. Nobody cares anyway. The tournament is in Boise.

Hein used the 2009 tournament as an example of an empty place. I'd argue there were as many people at that game as there were at the last three championships. However, Hein were you in Missoula in 13? Did you go to the 2003 Championship where there was 11K fans? How about the game UNCO hosted with Beitzel in 11? I was in Portland for the 08 Championship and saw PSU fans fill up the Rose Garden. Oh, that 94 championship was between two Idaho Schools at ones home court and ended up getting over 12K. Only way that happens? Is if Boise kept winning and another Idaho School joined them in the final.

FACT: MORE PEOPLE will go to the tournament when it is hosted on the regular season champs home court. If they can't win...then they don't deserve to go dancing. But, the best team should have the right to the easiest path, especially after playing two and a half months of basketball. Getting away from the neutral court tournament would instantly make basketball more relevant and important for Big Sky fans. I would have watched more games if it really matter, like I would in the past. In 13, I watched Montana vs. SUU hoping for a T-Bird victory. NOW...why would I. I just don't care. Everybody goes and the season doesn't matter.
 
As for the tournament...

Can Weber win three straight and capture the tournament championship? YES. We are due and this team has been under-performing for the last month. If they play to their potential, nobody can beat them. Time to man up and play as a team.

Lets go WILDCATS!! Bring home some hardware!
 
talhadfoursteals said:
Was reading the Hein on twitter and only could shake my head. He is hoping for Idaho and Idaho State to have good teams so that fans actually show up? Are you kidding me? Weber State fans are probably the most likely to travel, along with Montana, and the place will be empty. Only way the arena will look somewhat decent will be if Idaho or Idaho State make it to the final. But, is that fair? To me, it isn't fair that the tournament is in Boise where Idaho and Idaho State could get a huge advantage over all the other schools in attendance because the tournament is in their backyard. Remember 1994??? Weber was the top seed and had to play at 6th seed Boise State and lost in the first round. That Weber State team would go on to beat Michigan State and lose a heart breaker to Georgetown the next season. Imagine if they would have hosted the tournament and gone to the dance in 94?

FACT: We are a 1 seed conference. The best team should have the easiest and most advantageous route to the Big Dance, if we have to have a post season tournament. Montana should be hosting.

FACT: The regular season is worthless right now. What is the purpose? Everyone gets a participation ribbon and the last Saturday doesn't really matter since everyone gets to go anyway. UNCO would have played with a little more passion and their place would have been full if it meant the difference between hosting this week, and being #1, or having to go to Montana.

FACT: Everyone goes and so why compete every week, since you are guaranteed a berth in the tournament on a neutral court. Idaho, the worst team, could get hot, behind a partisan fan base and win the entire tournament this week. Their record doesn't matter. Only thing that matters is this week. The season doesn't matter. Fans know it. Why support and get excited when the only thing that matters is a week in Boise, and by this point. Nobody cares anyway. The tournament is in Boise.

Hein used the 2009 tournament as an example of an empty place. I'd argue there were as many people at that game as there were at the last three championships. However, Hein were you in Missoula in 13? Did you go to the 2003 Championship where there was 11K fans? How about the game UNCO hosted with Beitzel in 11? I was in Portland for the 08 Championship and saw PSU fans fill up the Rose Garden. Oh, that 94 championship was between two Idaho Schools at ones home court and ended up getting over 12K. Only way that happens? Is if Boise kept winning and another Idaho School joined them in the final.

FACT: MORE PEOPLE will go to the tournament when it is hosted on the regular season champs home court. If they can't win...then they don't deserve to go dancing. But, the best team should have the right to the easiest path, especially after playing two and a half months of basketball. Getting away from the neutral court tournament would instantly make basketball more relevant and important for Big Sky fans. I would have watched more games if it really matter, like I would in the past. In 13, I watched Montana vs. SUU hoping for a T-Bird victory. NOW...why would I. I just don't care. Everybody goes and the season doesn't matter.

Everything here is pretty much my feelings toward WSU bball right now. I have been critical of Rahe, and that is well documented. Maybe college bball is just never going to be the same that I once knew and loved. Games literally are pointless unless they are played in Boise. I just cant get over the fact that Rahe gets away will so much crap, and there are no consequences. He just keeps getting extensions and we have to endure this nonsense. Look, it would be interesting to see how many of our losses came agains first time head coaches with less than 5 years of head coaching experience. I think Rahe has lost the passion and drive. He knows that he can make a stable income of $500k a year by scraping and doing the bare minimum. He probably knows that the conference games are pointless, just like you and I. I just cant see us getting any better than we have been in the past, and thats not okay. I want new blood and a change of direction. Back in 14' when the "Fire Rahe" thread began, only a few of us agreed. Now, it seems the large majority agree.
 
talhadfoursteals said:
As for the tournament...

Can Weber win three straight and capture the tournament championship? YES. We are due and this team has been under-performing for the last month. If they play to their potential, nobody can beat them. Time to man up and play as a team.

Lets go WILDCATS!! Bring home some hardware!

I will cheer for the players, and regardless of the coach, I want to see WSU do well and go dancing. I remember many times a lower seed playing spoiler and going dancing. I hope we can get to the dance, and get the play-in-game. Do I see this happening? It is possible, but I would say the chances are like 1/20. I hope I am wrong though.
 
It is the 20 year anniversary of the magical game in Seattle. Maybe some of that magic rubs off and we pull it out. But the 99 team was clutch, tough and we'll coached. We are none of those things.
 
I could have maybe seen the Wildcats winning the tourney if they won the EWU game. They would have gone in the tourney with momentum and having won a close game. They would have been on the favorable side of the bracket.

Now they have a solid three teams they have to beat. They are 1-3 vs Portland State and Montana. They were pretty fortunate to have won in OT in Portland. They were all close games, but they don’t match up as well.

Portland State plays full court pressure. The Wildcats make several unforced turnovers. I can see them giving up 10-15 more possessions. That is really tough to win doing that.

I think Montana would rather face Weber State than Portland State this year.

We’ll see. It’s a big toss up this year. I’ll be watching the game Thursday hoping beyond hope like the kid on the movie Tiger Town they can win. I just don’t seem to have the same luck as that kid, :lol: then again the Cubs did win it all in 2016...so anything is possible! :-D
 
talhadfoursteals said:
FACT: The regular season is worthless right now. What is the purpose? Everyone gets a participation ribbon and the last Saturday doesn't really matter since everyone gets to go anyway. UNCO would have played with a little more passion and their place would have been full if it meant the difference between hosting this week, and being #1, or having to go to Montana.

FACT: Everyone goes and so why compete every week, since you are guaranteed a berth in the tournament on a neutral court. Idaho, the worst team, could get hot, behind a partisan fan base and win the entire tournament this week. Their record doesn't matter. Only thing that matters is this week. The season doesn't matter. Fans know it. Why support and get excited when the only thing that matters is a week in Boise, and by this point. Nobody cares anyway. The tournament is in Boise.

I've argued before that as long as the scheduling is uneven - not playing every team the same number of times as everybody else - then the tournament should include all teams. But.......

Now that the conference season is equal, it's time to reward the top teams. Take the top 6 teams to the tournament, and the top 2 are automatically in the semi-finals. Make it 3 days instead of stretching it to 6 (which includes the women's tournament).

I don't mind a neutral court if the right fit is found. That also makes it so that every team can make reservations for travel to that city - no excuses on last minute price hikes - and can cancel if they don't qualify for the tournament.
 
The Unknown Fan said:
talhadfoursteals said:
FACT: The regular season is worthless right now. What is the purpose? Everyone gets a participation ribbon and the last Saturday doesn't really matter since everyone gets to go anyway. UNCO would have played with a little more passion and their place would have been full if it meant the difference between hosting this week, and being #1, or having to go to Montana.

FACT: Everyone goes and so why compete every week, since you are guaranteed a berth in the tournament on a neutral court. Idaho, the worst team, could get hot, behind a partisan fan base and win the entire tournament this week. Their record doesn't matter. Only thing that matters is this week. The season doesn't matter. Fans know it. Why support and get excited when the only thing that matters is a week in Boise, and by this point. Nobody cares anyway. The tournament is in Boise.

I've argued before that as long as the scheduling is uneven - not playing every team the same number of times as everybody else - then the tournament should include all teams. But.......

Now that the conference season is equal, it's time to reward the top teams. Take the top 6 teams to the tournament, and the top 2 are automatically in the semi-finals. Make it 3 days instead of stretching it to 6 (which includes the women's tournament).

I don't mind a neutral court if the right fit is found. That also makes it so that every team can make reservations for travel to that city - no excuses on last minute price hikes - and can cancel if they don't qualify for the tournament.

I dont think people HATE neutral court. The logistical nightmare of last minute flights and hotels was solved by a predetermined site. But taking all teams is worthless. I agree with your tournament breakdown. Gives the regular season meaning again.

That being said as a fan, I want the regular season to host, and limit the number of teams. Watch the games on ESPN this weekend, stadiums were packed.
Maybe the home teams pay for all travel and lodging for the visiting teams. Then all revenue from ticket sales food and merch goes back to the hostings school. Just want some life back into our conference
 
I dont think people HATE neutral court.

I'm a very small part of "people" and I HATE neutral court! I could give a crap less if there is some difficulties with last minute scheduling, how many decades was this a workable problem? They felt like the best setup was to take the college venue out of the college playoffs and I have zero interest in that strategy. If they cared about having fans at the tournament or any associated revenue, then they wouldn't move it away from the fan base; they don't! Neither do I.
 
SWWeatherCat said:
I dont think people HATE neutral court.

I'm a very small part of "people" and I HATE neutral court! I could give a crap less if there is some difficulties with last minute scheduling, how many decades was this a workable problem? They felt like the best setup was to take the college venue out of the college playoffs and I have zero interest in that strategy. If they cared about having fans at the tournament or any associated revenue, then they wouldn't move it away from the fan base; they don't! Neither do I.

This.
 
SWWeatherCat said:
I dont think people HATE neutral court.

I'm a very small part of "people" and I HATE neutral court! I could give a crap less if there is some difficulties with last minute scheduling, how many decades was this a workable problem? They felt like the best setup was to take the college venue out of the college playoffs and I have zero interest in that strategy. If they cared about having fans at the tournament or any associated revenue, then they wouldn't move it away from the fan base; they don't! Neither do I.

Spot on!

I even wish the regional NCAA games would go back to campuses. It was fun going to the Dee Events and the U of U. Couple hundred dollar tickets to sit up in the nose bleed at Vivint? No thanks.
 
Chex said:
SWWeatherCat said:
I dont think people HATE neutral court.

I'm a very small part of "people" and I HATE neutral court! I could give a crap less if there is some difficulties with last minute scheduling, how many decades was this a workable problem? They felt like the best setup was to take the college venue out of the college playoffs and I have zero interest in that strategy. If they cared about having fans at the tournament or any associated revenue, then they wouldn't move it away from the fan base; they don't! Neither do I.

Spot on!

I even wish the regional NCAA games would go back to campuses. It was fun going to the Dee Events and the U of U. Couple hundred dollar tickets to sit up in the nose bleed at Vivint? No thanks.

Yes! I've been to the Huntsman Center several times for the NCAA's despite disliking nearly everything "U" and have unbelievable and very fond memories of games at the DEC and players like John Wallace, Lamond Murray, Jason Kidd, Ralph Sampson, Kenny Smith, and Big T Bailey and teams like North Carolina, Louisville, Syracuse, Cal, Mizzou, and that amazing NC State story. I agree-- the arena formally known as the Delta Center? Not interested; not the same feel or excitement, it's just business. I can't believe how much I miss basketball in general and especially WSU of old and look forward to and can't wait for WSU Football to begin-- oh how the tables have turned.
 
SWWeatherCat said:
I can't believe how much I miss basketball in general and especially WSU of old and look forward to and can't wait for WSU Football to begin-- oh how the tables have turned.

For me it's the baseball season to start. The Jazz rule this state when it comes to basketball. I can't have a college basketball conversation with anybody I work with. They don't know, they don't care.

The Dance starts next week, so the office pool will happen and people will be excited for a week or two. But that's the mindshare college basketball gets from sports fans today. At least the 30-somethings I'm around. I'm not sure most Millennials know what a ball of any shape is ... they do know their video games though. Opps, sorry if I hurt anyone's feelings. If I did, I suggest you transfer to the U, they're more sensitive there.

Fire Rahe, fire Rose and fire Coach K campaigns well underway.
 
UtahPirate said:
SWWeatherCat said:
I can't believe how much I miss basketball in general and especially WSU of old and look forward to and can't wait for WSU Football to begin-- oh how the tables have turned.

For me it's the baseball season to start. The Jazz rule this state when it comes to basketball. I can't have a college basketball conversation with anybody I work with. They don't know, they don't care.

The Dance starts next week, so the office pool will happen and people will be excited for a week or two. But that's the mindshare college basketball gets from sports fans today. At least the 30-somethings I'm around. I'm not sure most Millennials know what a ball of any shape is ... they do know their video games though. Opps, sorry if I hurt anyone's feelings. If I did, I suggest you transfer to the U, they're more sensitive there.

Fire Rahe, fire Rose and fire Coach K campaigns well underway.

It really is weird. Growing up basketball was king. The Jazz were important, but so were the college teams. Now, well, basketball has lost its luster. There are a number of factors that have been out of the control of the sport and colleges, but also, they've shot themselves in the feet too.

1. University's have taken "college" out of college basketball. Post-season tournaments are in neutral, empty, locations, which kills excitement and enthusiasm. Hosting a post season tournament isn't just a reward for the athletes, coaches, and department, but also, for the school, students, alumni, and community. What once was something to be fought for, and ultimately savored, has been lost. Worst of all, the reward is a neutral court in the middle of nowhere where you only end up with a small percentage of your fan base being allowed to participate. I watched Northern Kentucky vs. Wright State play in an empty NBA stadium yesterday afternoon. It made them both look pathetic and the Horizon League very LOL. The Big Sky will look even worse on Saturday. Other issues, look at Weber, no band, little to none student participation, and a lame attempt at being "professional" in outlook and game atmosphere.
2. Too many other options to watch. Why go to a game when you can watch 50 other games and even, depending on the night watch "your" team on TV or the internet. Yes it is hard, but you've got to make the game the place to be. Right now, the Dee just isn't. Everything is bad about the game day experience. From Jake to the crap music played during timeouts. Against Eastern, we lost the crowd when the crew played some weird synthesizer number. Uh, know your crowd and keep the atmosphere pumping. You have to know your audience and keep them involved if you want to make the game the "place to be."
3. Lack of focus on student attendance and support, Weber isn't the only school that lacks support. But, if you go down to the U, not a fan, they at least get the MUSS (something associated with the school and mascot) to the games. It is a well oiled machine. Same as the HURD. Weber gets something going and then does nothing to keep it going. You have to do more than putting the random sigh up on campus to get students involved and frankly their involvement means everything to the stadium environment. Once they are there you need a little organization and initiative to get everyone involved.
4. Too many other sports. 20 years ago, Basketball was one of the main options. Now, there are sooo many other options and kids just don't get as stocked as they once did. BUT, that doesn't mean they arent supporting teams. Every high school, at the state games, had quite the cheering section and if you go to USU, BYU, or Utah...the students show up. Hell, when Weber played SUU their student section was full.

I could go on and on and on. At the end of the day, Weber hurts themselves more than anything else. THey just don't do anything to improve their situation.
 

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