BYU

[STGWildcat]

another year another loss, status quo continues.

I'm usually upset after these in-state losses, but I think Weber played their hearts out today, so I can't fault them this time. It's the huge leads they lose against Utah State that are infuriating, to me at least.

Perhaps it's a bad sign that I'm just content Weber State didn't get blown out. Either way, BYU has a ton more resources than Weber State (money, notoriety for recruiting, etc), despite Weber State's successful basketball history, so to be within striking distance at the end says some good things.

Having said all that, it'd be nice if Weber State could become a Gonzaga or even a Wichita State. There's no reason they shouldn't be able to do so. It starts with beating the hell out of the Big Sky Conference. If they can't do that...

 

[Back2WSU]

another year another loss, status quo continues.

Well that's a pretty negative way of looking at things

 

[RunnerJoe]

Even in the loss I saw some things that I really liked.
1. Bolomboy was giving it all the whole game. Last year I felt when he got off to a bad start or wasn't playing well that he wouldn't play up to his potential. He was battling with Kyle Davis all game and was rewarded with yet another double-double.
2. Senglin is going to be hard to stop in Big Sky play. I have a feeling the the may have one or two 40+ point games during conference play.
3. Gittens and Baker. Both of them played well and its was nice to see Baker taking some shots. Gittens always seems to play well on the big stage and I expect him to continue this type of play.

A loss is a loss but we should get back to winning ways against UVU.

 

[UtahPirate]

A little weird, I spent the game in the BYU administration loge as the lone Weber fan (dressed in purple) sitting quietly in a corner seat. Don't ask me how I got there as I really didn't belong.

Just a quick observation, and this is not a rant about refs because all in all it was good. They really let them play for the most part. But there was a sequence of calls at about the 8-10 minute mark in second half that really cost us. The first was a charging call on Gittens. The defensive slide into position was easily questionable if position had actually been established, and the floater Gittens put up went in and he could have been given the bucket and the offense foul as it was even more questionable what came first the foul or the shot. So two points there. The next time down Bolomboy drew a rebound foul that in one motion he had quickly put back in. It definitely looked like a 2 and 1, but the ref called the foul prior to the shot. We were 10 points down before the sequence and that was two baskets that went in and were taken away plus the chance at a FT and perhaps 5 points. Honestly, it was a huge sequence. Rahe was livid at the Bolomboy call, btw.

I told the fellow sitting next to me that Weber would either stay in the game or lose it in the first 5 minutes of the second half. I knew they would need to be good at the start, and they weren't.

I did think it was a good effort. I hate losing to the Y, but it's been a long time since I saw us win. I don't think this is a great Y team. Collingsworth is a match-up nightmare and when Fischer goes off, he makes things difficult. But their bench is really thin and without Kyle Davis from USU, I think this would be a really bad team. I don't think they make the NCAAs, and right now I'm thinking that we might. Bolomboy and Senglin were superb!

 

[oldrunner]

I was on the third row, amongst a mix of YBU and WSU fans. Even the YBU fans couldn't believe the non shooting foul against Bolomboy. If we had anything but WCC refs we win that game. Even with those refs, on our home floor, we win that game. It was not a neutral site game by any means. They had it on their season ticket package. I will only support doing this again if it is on ours. Still, I love the fight in this team. We are only going to get better by BSC play. :thumb: :thumb:

 

[wsucatfan]

another year another loss, status quo continues.

Well that's a pretty negative way of looking at things

Negative would be to say we suck, I'd say more like apathy... just used to it, 13 years in a row, no moral victories, sure it was close but it's still a loss.

 

[SWeberCat02]

I was on the third row, amongst a mix of YBU and WSU fans. Even the YBU fans couldn't believe the non shooting foul against Bolomboy. If we had anything but WCC refs we win that game. Even with those refs, on our home floor, we win that game. It was not a neutral site game by any means. They had it on their season ticket package. I will only support doing this again if it is on ours. Still, I love the fight in this team. We are only going to get better by BSC play. :thumb: :thumb:

Was watching the game on TV. Replay clearly showed Bolomboy got fouled on the rebound, before he went back up with the ball. He was probably fouled on the shot as well, but they correctly called the foul on the rebound, which occurred first. The officiating was fair (15 fouls called on Weber, 17 on BYU) and actually pretty good. Refs weren't why Weber lost. Going 6-11 from the foul line didn't help at all. Weber lost, and will continue to lose year after year, because BYU is just much more talented. Even in a down year and missing a starter and key reserve BYU has much more talent. Only players Weber has that would make the team at BYU is Bolomboy and Senglin. I never really felt like Weber was going to win this game. To tell you the truth, I'm not sure why they continue to play us.

 

[WeberSki]

I was on the third row, amongst a mix of YBU and WSU fans. Even the YBU fans couldn't believe the non shooting foul against Bolomboy. If we had anything but WCC refs we win that game. Even with those refs, on our home floor, we win that game. It was not a neutral site game by any means. They had it on their season ticket package. I will only support doing this again if it is on ours. Still, I love the fight in this team. We are only going to get better by BSC play. :thumb: :thumb:

Was watching the game on TV. Replay clearly showed Bolomboy got fouled on the rebound, before he went back up with the ball. He was probably fouled on the shot as well, but they correctly called the foul on the rebound, which occurred first. The officiating was fair (15 fouls called on Weber, 17 on BYU) and actually pretty good. Refs weren't why Weber lost. Going 6-11 from the foul line didn't help at all. Weber lost, and will continue to lose year after year, because BYU is just much more talented. Even in a down year and missing a starter and key reserve BYU has much more talent. Only players Weber has that would make the team at BYU is Bolomboy and Senglin. I never really felt like Weber was going to win this game. To tell you the truth, I'm not sure why they continue to play us.

Was at the game. You're completely off with the talent argument. We win this game with Cannon on the floor. Emery is a lot of Utah county hype, happens a lot down there. Worse than Carlino, probably a 2.0. I think it boils down to coaching & strategies, Byu has the coaching edge. Rahe is 0-10 against Rose. They pay for it too (compared to the Big Sky). Weber can't afford it. Hey Waldo won the dance off against Cosmo or whatever he's called. :dunce: :dunce: Don't you get it, Weber won the dance off
:dunce: :dunce:

 

[SWeberCat02]

I was on the third row, amongst a mix of YBU and WSU fans. Even the YBU fans couldn't believe the non shooting foul against Bolomboy. If we had anything but WCC refs we win that game. Even with those refs, on our home floor, we win that game. It was not a neutral site game by any means. They had it on their season ticket package. I will only support doing this again if it is on ours. Still, I love the fight in this team. We are only going to get better by BSC play. :thumb: :thumb:

Was watching the game on TV. Replay clearly showed Bolomboy got fouled on the rebound, before he went back up with the ball. He was probably fouled on the shot as well, but they correctly called the foul on the rebound, which occurred first. The officiating was fair (15 fouls called on Weber, 17 on BYU) and actually pretty good. Refs weren't why Weber lost. Going 6-11 from the foul line didn't help at all. Weber lost, and will continue to lose year after year, because BYU is just much more talented. Even in a down year and missing a starter and key reserve BYU has much more talent. Only players Weber has that would make the team at BYU is Bolomboy and Senglin. I never really felt like Weber was going to win this game. To tell you the truth, I'm not sure why they continue to play us.

Was at the game. You're completely off with the talent argument. We win this game with Cannon on the floor. Emery is a lot of Utah county hype, worse than Carlino, probably a 2.0. I think it boils down to coaching & strategies, Byu has the coaching edge. Rahe is 0-10 against Rose. They pay for it too (compared to the Big Sky). Weber can't afford it.

Agree on the coaching, but IMO you don't lose to someone 13 straight times, and 16 of 17 times (by an average of 11 pts), unless there's a clear difference in talent (mainly in the bigs). This is a down year for BYU and a pretty good Weber team and they still lose.

 

[WeberSki]

I was on the third row, amongst a mix of YBU and WSU fans. Even the YBU fans couldn't believe the non shooting foul against Bolomboy. If we had anything but WCC refs we win that game. Even with those refs, on our home floor, we win that game. It was not a neutral site game by any means. They had it on their season ticket package. I will only support doing this again if it is on ours. Still, I love the fight in this team. We are only going to get better by BSC play. :thumb: :thumb:

Was watching the game on TV. Replay clearly showed Bolomboy got fouled on the rebound, before he went back up with the ball. He was probably fouled on the shot as well, but they correctly called the foul on the rebound, which occurred first. The officiating was fair (15 fouls called on Weber, 17 on BYU) and actually pretty good. Refs weren't why Weber lost. Going 6-11 from the foul line didn't help at all. Weber lost, and will continue to lose year after year, because BYU is just much more talented. Even in a down year and missing a starter and key reserve BYU has much more talent. Only players Weber has that would make the team at BYU is Bolomboy and Senglin. I never really felt like Weber was going to win this game. To tell you the truth, I'm not sure why they continue to play us.

Was at the game. You're completely off with the talent argument. We win this game with Cannon on the floor. Emery is a lot of Utah county hype, worse than Carlino, probably a 2.0. I think it boils down to coaching & strategies, Byu has the coaching edge. Rahe is 0-10 against Rose. They pay for it too (compared to the Big Sky). Weber can't afford it.

Agree on the coaching, but IMO you don't lose to someone 13 straight times, and 16 of 17 times (by an average of 11 pts), unless there's a clear difference in talent (mainly in the bigs). This is a down year for BYU and a pretty good Weber team and they still lose.

Maybe talent was an issue 6 or 7 years ago, but not recently with exception to last season. Weber is coming off their biggest down year in a decade, and I think they will find their stride this season, hopefully coaching can keep up with the talent. There have been signs that stubborn old Randy Rahe is changing some things. Way too early to say this is a down year for Byu, and a pretty good Weber team, ya I think so. I wish Baker had a quicker trigger from behind the arc.

 

[oldrunner]

I didn't see the talent disparity. I did see a disparity in size and defensive tactics. Their bigger guards were able to double off of our ball screens and get away with it because we had a hard time passing over it or around it. We were a bit faster, but they were a lot longer. They took advantage of their size and we didn't counter it as well with our speed. Speed is only good if you are able to use it. We did it a few times, but not consistently.

 

[WeberSki]

Losing Cannon early sucked, and it affected Jeremy, Senglin also had a hard time shaking off 6' 6" Collinsworth. Rose said in the pre game they were going to throw the taller Collingsworth at Senglin and really be aggressive and disrupt him, that they did. I wish we had a better game plan to free up Senglin, but maybe it all went out the window when Cannon went down.

 

[n.ogdencat]

Ski is right...with Cannon playing Weber wins. BYU fans are really big on next years team. Mika and Haws are both back. But I don't buy it. Collinsworth is the best all around basketball player I've watched since Dame. He is impossible to replace automatically. And Fischer is a great shooter. No matter, Weber was in a position to win that game and frankly lost because our coach won't adjust. We need shooters at the end they are all on the bench. We need a real PG on the floor and he's on the bench. Rahe lost that game.

 

[Webergrad02]

1. The refs did not cost us this game.We came out of half time with us huge thud.

2. I got far more insight from Dave Roses remarks than I did our coaches. He said that Senglins 5 turnovers decided the game and I think he is right. Right before the half and especially right after the half our careless play, some of which was Jeremy, put us in a hole. Rose accomplished his goal of disrupting Senglin. We are best when Jeremy plays the two and Cannon is at the one.

3. We missed a golden opportunity. We had enough talent and favorable match ups. Our Freshman goes to the line and misses all of is 2nd half free throws. Their freshman nocks down his pressure free throws. I don't put it all on coach. I liked how he mixed the zone in. I believe we rebounded better out of the zone.

4. They were huge. I don't think I have ever seen a team with that much size at every position. I think that is why coach left the jumbo set in and left our shooters on the bench. I thought that Gittens and Baker both impacted the game in different ways but both were really effective.

 

[WSUProf]

I was out of town over the weekend and so I didn't see the game. And I haven't seen anything about Cannon's injury. Anyone have any news? What happened to him? How long will he be out?

 

[n.ogdencat]

I was out of town over the weekend and so I didn't see the game. And I haven't seen anything about Cannon's injury. Anyone have any news? What happened to him? How long will he be out?

It looked like he rolled an ankle. He tried to go on it to start the second half, but he didn't stay in the game long. I hope coach can see the difference between when Cannon is on the floor and when he is not on the floor. Cannon is not only offense, but a great facilitator. There is a reason why Senglin went off for 34 against Drake...Cannon had the ball in his hands and was running the offense. Regrettably, closing out the game against BYU, it looked like our team was in Missoula ending the 2014-15 season again. The same faces, except Golden. This time we had John, who is going to be something special when all is said and done, but he doesn't have the skill set to run the point like Cannon. I like him playing the 2 and against lesser talented teams help him develop his PG skills. Not against BYU. If Cannon wasn't injured, coach totally screwed up having the wrong guys on the floor.

 

[oldrunner]

Cannon rolled his ankle a few weeks back and just aggravated it Saturday. When they tried him in the second half, he couldn't be effective moving laterally. They had to sit him, but he should be OK. He is young and will heal fast. I expect that we will see him in action against UVU. However, if we can pull ahead of them, he may get a little rest. :thumb: :thumb: