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Canzano: Guess which Oregon college football team....

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Nice to know Canzano cares enough to write this article.
 
How many of those 809 tickets were Northern Arizona fans? The South endzone was full of them and there were more in the west sideline. I'm sounding like a broken record with this, but here goes...

When you have a product that the average sports fan doesn't take seriously, you cannot charge $29 for general admission. Montana can do this, PSU cannot. The hardcore 500 PSU fans, probably most of us here, will pay whatever the tickets cost. The other 10,000 people you are trying to draw will NEVER pay $29 for the cheapest ticket to watch PSU play, it doesn't matter how many games they win. They jacked up the basketball tickets, but people were at least given "free" food in exchange. For football, tickets went up quite a bit and we got to see a guy eating pizza and another coupon for a turkey that we got last year.

Honest question: Did someone at PSU think this would lead to an increase in ticket sales? It's so frustrating to watch this program be lead this way.
 
My two cents---

A few years back, I went to a fancy restaurant in downtown Portland and ordered one of their top of the line steaks. What I got (and what I paid double that what I would have paid for an actual steak here in Hillsboro) was a medium steak with mushrooms and brown gravy all over it, on this fancy plate, topped with a parsley garnish. I mean, lots of brown gravy.

What I am getting at is this. Our last two home games are against Idaho State and Eastern Washington. With the strong success this year of both those teams, the interest factor in those games should already be there. There should be no need to dress those games up into something they are not. Some people may like brown gravy on their steak, I do not. Some people may need wacky gimmicks to come to a football game, I do not (actually, those people will never care about PSU athletics, they will only want the freebies). I watch PSU football to see PSU football, and I have done that for going on 18 years now. We have two game against two very good football teams that play in a very tough football conference. Educate the people on these two teams and promote the fact that we have an actual shot at winning both games (Idaho State has not done well at all in Portland in recent years and we should have beat EWU last year in Cheney). Take the games for what they are and don't try to make them into something else.
 
I've got to give Canzano credit where credit is due. He is right on the fundamental approach. David Hersh has brought connections that have led to quality bells-and-whistles, but they have not had the effect on attendance, which is the core issue right now. Keep what he has brought, but now work on building the pride of the vast number of Portland State alums.

This has got to come from the top. Presidents of Portland State, in the modern era, have made their mark and added quality and value to the university, this is also good. But the main issue is changing the perception of Portland State University, especially among the alumni.

Right now, many are even reluctant to admit they are Portland State grads and many local Oregonians desire to distance themselves from the university, much less overtly show support for its athletics programs. Why?

The perception is one of near-embarrassment. What? You couldn't make it into Oregon or Oregon State? What? You're in Portland but you cannot afford to go to Reed, Lewis & Clark or one of the other private universities? Right now, the university fills a niche but also has an image of something that you want to wipe off from the sole of your shoe. Why?

Many in the state want They want Portland to have a public university that acts merely as one mediocre and marginally acceptable.

But is it really that way? Is that the fair perception of Portland State or a realistically accurate one? No.

Don't our engineering grads get hired by places like Boeing, HP, and Intel? Yes. Don't our MBAs and business graduates get hired up by quality corporations, firms and small businesses? Yes. Don't many start their own businesses? Yes. Does this mean it lacks value as a higher educational institution or that the academics are not worthy of respect? No.

Do many PSU grads have difficulty getting hired after graduating? Yes, but so do many from other universities who major in several of, say, the arts and sciences. This does not indict the quality of the university, however.

Aren't PSU accounting major graduates sought after? Yes. Isn't the CPA program celebrated? Yes. Urban and regional planning? Yes. Audiology? Yes. Social work? Yes.

So Portland State has unquestioned areas of excellence within it. Are these being expounded and asserted to Oregonians?

The president usually serves for 10 years. With the remaining time he has, I would recommend WW begin a program to expound and assert these areas of excellence. It is a matter of the university's self-assertion of its own accurately positive image.

Portland State needs to start a public relations campaign of accurate perception to simply show that it does indeed produce quality professionals, to erase false current perceptions and to build the pride of all of its graduates. The areas of excellence cited should give those graduated in those areas a sense of the kind of pride that needs to be generated among PSU alums. Then, areas that are not yet considered areas of excellence will need to begin their individual campaigns to become areas of excellence themselves.

He also needs to find means of unifying the university as a whole and not allow it to be fragmented and divided. Less time and investment needs to be applied to small sectors and instead needs to be applied to the university as a whole. How?

o Define the university's boundaries as clearly as they can be;
o Cooperate with the city to create a sharper "sense of place" between what is the unversity and what is not;
o Heal the rifts and wounds between disparate groups within the administrative infrastructure;
o Come up with a "snappy answers to stupid assertions" coming from the university's enemies (i.e. fight back); purchase radio spots to instill pride in PSU graduates (not weak bases, but unretuable ones);
o Gain PSU alums as Portland Mayor, Oregon State Representative, Oregon State Senators and Governors.
o Work cooperatively with the City's Development Commission to develop all areas contained within their vision for the university;

Many other bases abound. Think, what CAN we do? And do THAT. Pride in the university is the core factor that will raise alumni interest in their alma mater. The alternative is disservice to them. A great way to show that one has pride in one's university is to go to the games.

If a minority of Oregonians desires PSU to be perceived as some kind of a loser, then a healthy PSU would respond by getting fighting mad, rising up and proclaiming:



lest it remain a reticent door mat for other Oregon colleges to sneer at as if it were some kind of scapegoat of Oregon's higher education. All based on a false perception, campaign of deceit.
 
Amen to all of that. I would add to that the need to create a sense of pride in the current student body for the athletic and other accomplishments of their students and athletes. Aside from graduation, I doubt that the university ever gets more than 100 students together in one place for anything. Viking pride should be something they feel when they are there. You can maintain it after graduation but its almost impossible to find it afterward if you never had it in the first place.
 
BroadwayVik said:
I've got to give Canzano credit where credit is due. He is right on the fundamental approach. David Hersh has brought connections that have led to quality bells-and-whistles, but they have not had the effect on attendance, which is the core issue right now. Keep what he has brought, but now work on building the pride of the vast number of Portland State alums.

This has got to come from the top. Presidents of Portland State, in the modern era, have made their mark and added quality and value to the university, this is also good. But the main issue is changing the perception of Portland State University, especially among the alumni.

Right now, many are even reluctant to admit they are Portland State grads and many local Oregonians desire to distance themselves from the university, much less overtly show support for its athletics programs. Why?

The perception is one of near-embarrassment. What? You couldn't make it into Oregon or Oregon State? What? You're in Portland but you cannot afford to go to Reed, Lewis & Clark or one of the other private universities? Right now, the university fills a niche but also has an image of something that you want to wipe off from the sole of your shoe. Why?

Many in the state want They want Portland to have a public university that acts merely as one mediocre and marginally acceptable.

But is it really that way? Is that the fair perception of Portland State or a realistically accurate one? No.

Don't our engineering grads get hired by places like Boeing, HP, and Intel? Yes. Don't our MBAs and business graduates get hired up by quality corporations, firms and small businesses? Yes. Don't many start their own businesses? Yes. Does this mean it lacks value as a higher educational institution or that the academics are not worthy of respect? No.

Do many PSU grads have difficulty getting hired after graduating? Yes, but so do many from other universities who major in several of, say, the arts and sciences. This does not indict the quality of the university, however.

Aren't PSU accounting major graduates sought after? Yes. Isn't the CPA program celebrated? Yes. Urban and regional planning? Yes. Audiology? Yes. Social work? Yes.

So Portland State has unquestioned areas of excellence within it. Are these being expounded and asserted to Oregonians?

The president usually serves for 10 years. With the remaining time he has, I would recommend WW begin a program to expound and assert these areas of excellence. It is a matter of the university's self-assertion of its own accurately positive image.

Portland State needs to start a public relations campaign of accurate perception to simply show that it does indeed produce quality professionals, to erase false current perceptions and to build the pride of all of its graduates. The areas of excellence cited should give those graduated in those areas a sense of the kind of pride that needs to be generated among PSU alums. Then, areas that are not yet considered areas of excellence will need to begin their individual campaigns to become areas of excellence themselves.

He also needs to find means of unifying the university as a whole and not allow it to be fragmented and divided. Less time and investment needs to be applied to small sectors and instead needs to be applied to the university as a whole. How?

o Define the university's boundaries as clearly as they can be;
o Cooperate with the city to create a sharper "sense of place" between what is the unversity and what is not;
o Heal the rifts and wounds between disparate groups within the administrative infrastructure;
o Come up with a "snappy answers to stupid assertions" coming from the university's enemies (i.e. fight back); purchase radio spots to instill pride in PSU graduates (not weak bases, but unretuable ones);
o Gain PSU alums as Portland Mayor, Oregon State Representative, Oregon State Senators and Governors.
o Work cooperatively with the City's Development Commission to develop all areas contained within their vision for the university;

Many other bases abound. Think, what CAN we do? And do THAT. Pride in the university is the core factor that will raise alumni interest in their alma mater. The alternative is disservice to them. A great way to show that one has pride in one's university is to go to the games.

If a minority of Oregonians desires PSU to be perceived as some kind of a loser, then a healthy PSU would respond by getting fighting mad, rising up and proclaiming:



lest it remain a reticent door mat for other Oregon colleges to sneer at as if it were some kind of scapegoat of Oregon's higher education. All based on a false perception, campaign of deceit.

You've got me excited now! Get this guy in PSU administration and things will get done. Great vision! :thumb:
 
As a current student, I don't think there's anything that can be done to change the image of the athletics program with the student population. They are disinterested as all get out about school sports unless it's another school, and I don't know how many times I've heard the words "PSU has a football team?" An adjunct professor (i.e. grad student) in class yesterday was asking, in a joking sort of way, if anyone in class was in a "Portland State of Mind" (shows you how much our grad students think about their own university's stuff), and then proceeded to be confused about if it's the Stott Center or the Scott Center where an event was being held. :|

Portland just isn't a place where athletics can take people's minds off of getting smashed on Saturday nights at one of the million brewpubs there are in a ten-mile radius or going to see cheap indie bands at any hole-in-the-wall venue down the street. Add in the number of people who have moved here in the last ten years who have their own ideas of what teams to root for (hello, Montana transplants!), and the fact that PSU is basically a four-year community college, and nothing can be done to create a sense of community that lasts.

And there is a giant gulf between the students and the athletes. The players typically stick to their own social groups - I've had a lot of athletes in my classes over the years, and except for one guy who I found to be rather outgoing (and guess what, he ended up transferring from PSU), they all keep to themselves. A friend I have on one of the varsity teams, when I brought up the subject, agreed wholeheartedly that there is an extreme disconnect between athletes and the average student. The BMOC effect doesn't apply at PSU, the land where students don't show up to games, or when they do it's just for one game (Freshman Frenzy always brings out the most students, but you don't see the groups that get them there taking students to every game of the football season) or they sit down during the game. Any school you see on TV in any major sport shows row upon row of students standing up and yelling for the whole game. PSU students sit, as if standing is something inherently wrong, and then complained that, back when the Green Man Group was a thing, that their view was being blocked by the four guys recruited to get them to stand up and give a ****. My friend who does the volleyball series for PSU.tv at volleyball matches? He told me that he had the student section all to himself during the majority of the last two home matches - not a single student was in the "Student Section" area. And he was filming the matches, not just spectating. Obviously there is a huge divide here that cannot be easily broached.

I don't want to sound like the biggest critic of them all - I want PSU to be successful. But it's almost as if the campus is too diverse for its own good in this vein. It's impossible to create a single atmosphere for the university when the students don't have any sense of unity to begin with, either in opinion or in their backgrounds before coming to PSU. Hell, the average age of a freshman a few years ago was 27 . . . not exactly the usual college atmosphere. It's impossible to get them to agree on anything other that student debt issues and marijuana, apparently, and they certainly don't care about school sports because they don't feel connected to the school in any way except to go to class and complain that they're being charged too much to go to college in the first place.

The only way I see PSU actually having decent athletics programs would be to wall itself off from the rest of the city to create an insular campus. Tear down any connections with the community colleges, and make it easier and more convenient to move into residence halls. That's what U of P has done, because it's remote enough from the city center that it can pass as its own distinct campus. All the fields would have to be brought to campus. But since you can't do any of these things for a multitude of reasons, there's currently nothing stopping any student from just leaving campus and not returning for campus events. I commute to class every day with a bunch of PCC students going home or going to PSU for the dual-credit programs, and most of them who haven't already will end up transferring to PSU. But is there a sense of community from that foundation? Nope. These students have other things going on in their lives; they don't feel it necessary to stay on campus to do stuff. I admit that I don't always stick around for games, even though I'm probably about as committed to the athletics program at PSU than you can find in the student body.

Anyways, about Canzano, I appreciate that he apparently cares enough to write the article. But once again he doesn't offer any solutions to the issue, just rails on the problems. We are PSU fans - we admit that things aren't going well with athletics attendance, and we get that. No need to keep beating a dead horse. But a lack of solutions is what I got out of that article. Him comparing us to UO and OSU is like comparing apples to oranges - does he really expect one or two things to magically go right and then everything is peaches and cream? It just doesn't work that way when you don't have a campus that is unified in the slightest, and when the alumni don't care because the school is just a vehicle for a degree and nothing more. No amount of public relations will make them come until it becomes cheaper and more convenient to stay on campus to do stuff in the evening rather than go somewhere else. Until that time, nothing will work.

Convenience sells, and unfortunately PSU football, nor the athletics department, has that kind of value to apathetic students and alumni. $29 tickets definitely push them away, but I don't know if giving away GA tickets for free would make any difference.
 
You bring up some great points about being connected. I'm a doctoral student at PSU now, but I started out as an undergrad before transferring to Oregon State. Why did I transfer? Because I felt absolutely no connection to the school. I didn't think anybody actually cared that I was there and it was more akin to going to work than attending a university. Faculty had barely any enthusiasm about their own departments and even less for the school itself.

At OSU, I couldn't avoid getting sucked into the greater campus atmosphere and getting plugged into the multitude of things going on. Washington State was the same way when I completed my Master's there.

Part if it is what you mentioned regarding having a more insular campus, but a lot of it is just attitude. If the people students interact with aren't bought in or enthusiastic about where they're teaching/advising/whatever, you'll never create a culture where students feel wanted or enthusiastic. The GA you mentioned absolutely has influence over this and unfortunately used it to the detriment of the larger university. I don't know how PSU fixes this other than making it somewhere people are actually excited to work and take pride in.
 
DustRunner said:
PSU students sit, as if standing is something inherently wrong, and then complained that, back when the Green Man Group was a thing, that their view was being blocked by the four guys recruited to get them to stand up and give a ****.

As I post Tuesday's little ditty about Timbers Army...

http://www.oregonlive.com/timbers/index.ssf/2014/10/pro_teams_visit_portland_in_ho.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

...you might want to focus on the comments rather than . The quote you have above triggered my "ah" moment there. "Recruited," eh? That's the first problem. If it's forced by the athletic department or the school, chances are it will fail.

GIVE THE STUDENTS THE POWER.

Of course, the potential problem here is that they might take the power and kill football. Maybe people are at PSU for an education and not the extraneous stuff.
 
Pounder, you do bring us all back to focus on the Timbers' Army as an example of organic fan development and now you have shown how others across the nation are wanting to tap the sap of their fan relational approach.

Why not have a summit meeting between Timbers' Army reps and Portland State Vikings Athletics Administration reps? Portlanders helping Portlanders. There must be some value gain to be realized in such a meeting, wouldn't you agree?

Would the Timbers' Army reps be willing meet and talk Portland realities with PSU-AD reps?
 
Dustrunner - "basically a four year community college"? Have you bothered to look at how many Phds we turn out every year? Faculty don't care about their departments?? You sound like - forgive me for saying so - like someone from UO or OSU who has never taken the time to really look at PSU. You're unhappy that we don't have a bucolic campus like UO/OSU? With frats, just like the 1950s? We're called an Urban University, one of many such full-blown universities that have grown up all over the country since the '50s. None have campuses like the Iveys or land-grants (though the feds do give out major urban grants to PSU and other city schools). They're part and parcel of the city and are happy to be so.
OK. I realize that you're just ranting. But that community college remark was too much to let go by.

But no, we'll never have hordes of students rallying to football games (though if we win we can expect more). There's too many other things to do in the city. And our students are as you say older, many with families and most with jobs. They mostly commute. Watching a football game is not their highest priority. If we had millions for advertising it would help, but we don't. If we had a giant parking lot beside the stadium it would help, but we don't. If we played in the Pac-12 it would certainly help - but we don't.
I remain a fan of PSU sports and will always be so, but I'm realistic.
 
pdxfan said:
Dustrunner - "basically a four year community college"? Have you bothered to look at how many Phds we turn out every year?

If you take that as a comment on the quality of the school, in another argument you'd be right to argue.

However, I might propose that the people paying tuition at Portland State don't TREAT the school as more than a commuter campus or a community college.

Screwy part is, when I left PSU and went to Oregon, it turned out that the average age of students was actually very close... along with the average entry age. Both were older than you'd expect, BTW. That was in the mid-80s, when Oregon was still fighting athletic mediocrity (a couple good years of football with Reggie Ogburn as QB were written off due to academic scandal... grade fixing). At that same time, there were simply far more part-time students at Portland State. There still are: from what I just pulled up, 41% at PSU are part-time, less than 15% at Oregon.

People go to UO, find connections, and leave Eugene. People go to PSU with the express purpose of staying in Portland (where people going to UO and OSU also congregate), or maybe try to reduce costs if they're already resident, or just need a couple classes to either brush up or catch up while they're already working. One is far more geared to having athletic interest than the other.

HAVING SAID THAT...

...the stories of failing to keep students interested in athletics at even the big power schools are simply growing in number from the first indicators last year and a whole host of pictures and stories this year. There's a rather alarming trend. Do I blame Wim Wiewel for his position regarding football? Check out the Twitter account @EmptySeatsPics for just the last weekend and learn for yourself. We can lament Portland State's position, but it's hardly weird in 2014.

EDIT... I'm considering how much I paid for tuition versus what I'm going to pay for my daughter in a couple years. You think my daughter (let's presume her eyesight wasn't failing) has time or money to go to games? Do you think I'm going to have the money or time? When I was at Oregon, the students voted to give some money from fees to athletics in exchange for free tickets to games. Damn right I took advantage of that. Football tickets for STUDENTS in Eugene this year are $60. They're kind of selling, I hear. Now while students at PSU can go for free, can they invite friends for the same? (I really don't know) When considering the nationwide issue, as I'm hearing big schools do this these days, duh? Never mind paying $24-69 for a PSU game when you can see from multiple angles outside the stadium that nobody's inside. It's madness.
 
You're probably right that PSU (and other) students don't TREAT the school as other than a "commuter campus". I'm not sure what else it could be. A dormitory campus school like Eugene? A home away from home? Something, in any case, that engenders a sense of place that you belong to. We could go a long way in this discussion. I've been at PSU since '65 and could write a history of PSC/PSU - what it was, what it is, what it will be. It's ...complicated.
 
Pounder said:
pdxfan said:
Dustrunner - "basically a four year community college"? Have you bothered to look at how many Phds we turn out every year?



EDIT... I'm considering how much I paid for tuition versus what I'm going to pay for my daughter in a couple years. You think my daughter (let's presume her eyesight wasn't failing) has time or money to go to games? Do you think I'm going to have the money or time? When I was at Oregon, the students voted to give some money from fees to athletics in exchange for free tickets to games. Damn right I took advantage of that. Football tickets for STUDENTS in Eugene this year are $60. They're kind of selling, I hear. Now while students at PSU can go for free, can they invite friends for the same? (I really don't know) When considering the nationwide issue, as I'm hearing big schools do this these days, duh? Never mind paying $24-69 for a PSU game when you can see from multiple angles outside the stadium that nobody's inside. It's madness.

As of a few years ago: Students could go to the ticket office, show their ID and get a ticket. My understanding is they never kept track of who they actually gave tickets to, so essentially the student could go back to get multiple tickets to the game to hand out as they saw fit. I
 
I believe the problem rests in the fact that PSU students and the majority of alums see the institution as weak. It is sufficient to get a degree and move on to a career, but the basis for student and alum relations is being mismanaged.



David Hersh has the right idea when he talks about raising PSU to the status of a South Florida. He is absolutely right about that because an institution like PSU, with its number and location, finds a right kind of fit being at the level of near-Pac-12. Competing in the big sky conference is certainly perceived as lame by PSU stakeholders for an institution of this size. It follows the image of PSU being an under-achiever and that makes the institution's perception one of weakness.



The usual money-maker programs (football and basketball) are perceived as under-funded, under-achieving. What? An institution of this magnitude cannot manage to compete strongly in minor league college sports? They tend to sleepwalk as there is a lack of pride in playing for a weakly-perceived institution.

Yes, we do see vitality in VB, T&F, XC, SB and many of the Olympic sports performing well at this level. But the bread-and-butter perception is held in the two men's sports that generally are responsible for generating the lion's share of revenue (upwards to 95%). It is wise to keep developing up these other sports in the meantime.

Perception. Perception. Ever notice how teams like San Diego State and San Jose State tend to come up on the losing side even though they are highly-attended institutions? I believe it is because they are perceived as only regional institutions and this makes them feel much weaker in their political potency than the highly-endowed private schools and the two primary University of California schools.

UC-Irvine, UC-San Diego, UC-Riverside, UC-Santa Barbara & UC-Davis are perceived as weaker institutions than the ones representing Los Angeles and the Bay Area. Their academic reputations of each of these institutions is high, however.

SJSU is the flagship Cal State university. They were, in fact, contemplating a name change to Cal State. I think this a wise move. They would become the scrappy state school playing for the Bay Area with a rivalry focus on UC-Berkeley much as Michigan State plays a Spartans against the well-endowed Michigan. Names carry perceptions with them ... all the time. It eventually sinks in.

Which name would carry more strength? South Florida or Orlando State University? Auburn is a mediocre university academically, but is paired in rivalry with Alabama. This alone is what makes it potent.

I believe an Oregon name change for Portland State would change perceptions very favorably this way, say, Oregon Tech. It would compel Oregonians to invest in the reputation of their tech school located in the state's only head-to-head population center. Its reputation would be on-the-line and, thus, the institution's reputation would need to be defended, protected through concentrated investment, upgraded to dispel flak.

Oregon has been a wuss in this regard. They prefer to withdraw from this mandate to avoid the required monetary investment and social embarrassment. The UO and OSU constituencies also want to keep it down, to punk it, to make themselves feel better about themselves.

The best strategy, therefore, is to move the university's progress forward to political potency on every front. Take advantage of every benefit of being in such an excellent location. President Daniel Bernstine established relations with Tri-Met, for example. This is the right idea.



A merger with OHSU, even if in name only, is also the right idea. It would compel a name change and this represents a golden opportunity for both institutions to augment reputation power. OHSU's name carries the name already. The merger would afford PSU the same political benefit.

Football is the power sport of the fall season. My university versus your university. Students at PSU and alums likely sense the political anemia and wonder about the purpose of sporting a football team. What is the meaning of this if we are actually holding back and not engaging the full political force of our university's reputation? OHSU and PSU can share the same name even if the medical university continues to act more-or-less autonomously. Shared programs like Public Health are a beginning to touchstones between the two institutions.

PSU presidents tend to stay 10 years. When both presidents are ready to depart, a new single president can be appointed to serve both institutions as one combined.

Then PSU students and alums may well begin to take pride in their university and game attendance is an outgrowth of this. Conveniences like free parking in Parking III for ticket holders on game day would also catalyze this forward.
 
It's interesting that some people have a perception about PSU as something other than what it is. It is the largest university in the state, it has a great (better than UO) reputation as a business school, the accounting program is leaps and bounds ahead of any other school in the state. It has a great relationship with OHSU (better than either OSU or UO) it turns out highly qualified engineers. The relationships it has with the most high powered businesses in Oregon are second to none. Internships are common place for PSU students.

People that want to further their career rather than paint their face on Saturdays go to PSU. There is nothing wrong with that, but it would be nice if we could see some decent football on a Saturday should we choose without driving south. Unfortunately, that won't happen with the current coaching staff. PSU will never be Montana, Montana State or EWU. As a city and a school, Portland and PSU has way more to offer the locals to keep them from living and dieing by the football team's success.
 
GreenGiant said:
It's interesting that some people have a perception about PSU as something other than what it is. It is the largest university in the state, it has a great (better than UO) reputation as a business school, the accounting program is leaps and bounds ahead of any other school in the state. It has a great relationship with OHSU (better than either OSU or UO) it turns out highly qualified engineers. The relationships it has with the most high powered businesses in Oregon are second to none. Internships are common place for PSU students.

People that want to further their career rather than paint their face on Saturdays go to PSU. There is nothing wrong with that, but it would be nice if we could see some decent football on a Saturday should we choose without driving south. Unfortunately, that won't happen with the current coaching staff. PSU will never be Montana, Montana State or EWU. As a city and a school, Portland and PSU has way more to offer the locals to keep them from living and dieing by the football team's success.

You're right about the Business School. Great reputation and growing by by the year. I'm very proud to say that I have a business degree from PSU.

So riddle me this.

Why doesn't the PSU Athletic Department become a pet project of the BA 495 capstone courses? College athletics is essentially a business, and a local one at that.

"SBA 495 is PSU's largest Capstone and engages over 750 students in 35 sections of a business strategy course that partners with a organization in the community to address real world business challenges. In this Capstone students learn to systematically analyze a firm’s internal and external environments and, through engagement with community partners, apply concepts and theories related to the formulation and implementation of business/organization strategies. Students join an interdisciplinary team; pool their knowledge, skills, and interests; use strategy to address a problem or concern of the community partner. Emphasis on multiple functions and perspectives to understand diverse management and stakeholder interpretations, conceive integrative solutions, and address social and organizational outcomes."

Ditch David Hersh and utilize Portland State University resources.
 
If you remember, I believe it was last year, maybe the year before they tried to have the marketing department make some videos and do some things. I think it never really got traction and Hersh came in about 1/2 way through the football season last year and the rest is history.

Win it and they will come.
 
My two cents here--

The other university situated in a large metropolitan area that plays primarily in the Big Sky Conference is Sacramento State and comparing it to Portland State, they are pretty similar. Enrollment is about the same (Sac St at 28,000, PSU at 27,000), alumni base is similar (Sac State 200,000+, PSU a bit lower), both play in the shadows of two well known and prestigious PAC-12 schools (Sac State with Cal and Stanford, PSU with the Ducks and Beavers), both have their city represented in their school's name, both entered the Big Sky the same year (1996), both are in financially strapped states especially when it comes to school funding, both Sacramento and Portland have the same population and both have other things to do than to watch college sports live. But Sacramento State does get people out to their games. Granted not on the level of Montana but people do go. They do get represented in their big local Sacramento Bee paper (they have their own beat reporter). Their teams are not any better than ours. I guess maybe we need to see what they are doing and see if we can do the same here. If they can make it work, why can't we?
 

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