Change is needed

[talon38]

As this game really sucked, to me it really came down to 5 plays to take the air out of Eastern and give all the momentum to the Griz.
1. Early in the 2nd qtr, 3rd and 10, Griz QB is being rushed and throws the ball into the stands, but PI on EWU, 1st down and they score--7 points!
2. 3rd qtr, 2nd play, fumble on QB/RB exchange....3 points Griz.
3. 3rd qtr, INT by GRIZ, .......3points Griz.
4. 3rd qtr, pick 6 INT by GRIZ.... 7 points
5. 2nd qtr, safety blitz, sack , fumble and .......7 points Grizz.
That's 27 easy points for the Griz on EWU possessions.
The momentum turned after the 3 3rd qtr miscues. Could have a been a different outcome if you eliminate those 5 plays. Lost the momentum of the game.
Need to RISE UP for PSU next weekend or its Thanksgiving at HOME foe all!
GO EAGS! We can get this done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

 

[clawman1]

As this game really sucked, to me it really came down to 5 plays to take the air out of Eastern and give all the momentum to the Griz.
1. Early in the 2nd qtr, 3rd and 10, Griz QB is being rushed and throws the ball into the stands, but PI on EWU, 1st down and they score--7 points!
2. 3rd qtr, 2nd play, fumble on QB/RB exchange....3 points Griz.
3. 3rd qtr, INT by GRIZ, .......3points Griz.
4. 3rd qtr, pick 6 INT by GRIZ.... 7 points
5. 2nd qtr, safety blitz, sack , fumble and .......7 points Grizz.
That's 27 easy points for the Griz on EWU possessions.
The momentum turned after the 3 3rd qtr miscues. Could have a been a different outcome if you eliminate those 5 plays. Lost the momentum of the game.
Need to RISE UP for PSU next weekend or its Thanksgiving at HOME foe all!
GO EAGS! We can get this done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

I might add one play just before half. We're at about the two, throw to a crossing receiver...touchdown, no wait a lineman moved so take the points off the board and move it back 5 yards. Last play, incomplete pass. This is an example of how much more than just the 5yards this penalty hurts. Cost us a TD at a crucial point in the game.

 

[MTcowpoke]

I will give you all those points. But EWU still loses 30 to 23. However, that is not what happened. UM made plays all game long and EWU did not. Final score 57 to 16. EWU got rolled.

EWU fans seem to agree that EWU has a weak defense and that appeared to be the case yesterday. I thought EWU had a great offense, but it appears I was wrong.

 

[kalm]

I will give you all those points. But EWU still loses 30 to 23. However, that is not what happened. UM made plays all game long and EWU did not. Final score 57 to 16. EWU got rolled.

EWU fans seem to agree that EWU has a weak defense and that appeared to be the case yesterday. I thought EWU had a great offense, but it appears I was wrong.

Absolutes are tricky things when evaluating football. Like Montana being THAT much better while losing to Weber and Cal Poly at home and needing a miracle to beat ISU.

We have been exposed a bit and hit a rough stretch. The game yesterday couldn't have gone worse. That happens, but you know what? The sun did indeed rise again today and Montana and Eastern are both still 6-4, each with tons of blemishes...

And a few Montana fans just aren't as smart as most of them. :lol:

 

[GROUND&POUND]

We are extremely young this year as a team, especially on defense. I support our coaches on both sides of the ball. They are among the best in the business and we are lucky to have them at EWU.

 

[loloman]

I don't agree with the rotating of players to the extent we have done on defense. It appears thAt even drifted over to the QB position. How are players supposed to get in a rythmn if they don't know if the are in or out on the next play. I've never seen other programs do this until they are in garbage time. You play the best you have until they ask to come out, are injured, or you are kicking the other teams butt. I think that is a large part of where the defense has lost its identity.

 

[kalm]

We are extremely young this year as a team, especially on defense. I support of coaches on both sides of the ball. They are among the best in the business and we are lucky to have them at EWU.

:clap: :nod: :nod: :nod:

There's so much more to this than almost anyone on this board realizes.

What I do know is that very few professions rely upon the often whimsical success of 18-23 year olds. Attorneys don't have a rabid fan base questioning their every move and calling for their firing when they lose a case.

Walking through the Griz Hall of Fame corridor yesterday to get my tickets and marveling at the stadium and the fans once again reminded me how special and over-achieving our success has been. If you've never been there to see a game, than you have no clue what we're up against and I'm guessing you greatly under-appreciate the success we've had. Out of the 130+ FCS programs, only 22 have ever achieved greatness. Cripes, a small minority have ever even made it out of the quarterfinals. Loot at what the this coaching staff has been able to do.

Wanna mention that they did it with Paul Wulff's recruits? Fine. You know who was UNABLE to do it with Paul Wulff's recruits? Paul Wulff. And it sure as hell was mostly Baldwin's recruits and coaches who got us to back to back Semi's and beat Oregon State.

Everyone in the program is working their asses off (probably harder than many of you at your own jobs) to be successful. Just recognize that when you are calling for a coach's job, (like your opinion actually matters :rofl: ) you really do look ignorant and kind of douchey.

(but please continue because it is somewhat entertaining... :mrgreen: )

 

[Obzerver]

Doggone right a change is needed!!! Some of you need to change your underwear (I don't wear em) and socks cause it reeking in here. Just because Baldwin wanted to have some fun with QB Carousel...

Whoops, there's goes Gage!!

Some of you need to realize we can/will beat PSU....nobody in the BSC is unbeatable don't care how bad a team is playing I think we can be ready to play hard ..like playing a game of Bop-a-Mole everybody wants to play.

Mark my words...we will win vs PSU and we will be in the playoffs (have I ever been wrong?) As Larry would say "Giddy up Horse"

 

[kalm]

Doggone right a change is needed!!! Some of you need to change your underwear (I don't wear em) and socks cause it reeking in here. Just because Baldwin wanted to have some fun with QB Carousel...

Whoops, there's goes Gage!!

Some of you need to realize we can/will beat PSU....nobody in the BSC is unbeatable don't care how bad a team is playing I think we can be ready to play hard ..like playing a game of Bop-a-Mole everybody wants to play.

Mark my words...we will win vs PSU and we will be in the playoffs (have I ever been wrong?) As Larry would say "Giddy up Horse"

This post brightened my day! :rofl:

 

[air045]

Well, the great part of being fans is the ability to play arm chair QBs , it's natural and healthy. Some support the staff, other don't but in the end- this board is alive! I've looked at some other boards, and it's a ghost town. Heck it's cheap entertainment getting the old timers riled up, !

In the end, injuries hurt this team the most. Several previous starters were moved to different positions to back up injured players at other positions. So that's why we haven't seen many of them.But In the end, I think it was Ranger that stated we need to do some soul searching and find out what's causing this enormous amount of injuries.

Besides all of that 'ALL I WANT FOR CHRISTMAS IS TO GET RID OF THOSE GOD FORSAKEN HIGH SCHOOL BLEACHERS".

Go Eags :thumb: :thumb:

 

[kalm]

Well, the great part of being fans is the ability to play arm chair QBs , it's natural and healthy. Some support the staff, other don't but in the end- this board is alive! I've looked at some other boards, and it's a ghost town. Heck it's cheap entertainment getting the old timers riled up, !

In the end, injuries hurt this team the most. Several previous starters were moved to different positions to back up injured players at other positions. So that's why we haven't seen many of them.But In the end, I think it was Ranger that stated we need to do some soul searching and find out what's causing this enormous amount of injuries.

Besides all of that 'ALL I WANT FOR CHRISTMAS IS TO GET RID OF THOSE GOD FORSAKEN HIGH SCHOOL BLEACHERS".

Go Eags :thumb: :thumb:

Amen, brother! :thumb:

 

[Seattle Eagle]

I will give you all those points. But EWU still loses 30 to 23. However, that is not what happened. UM made plays all game long and EWU did not. Final score 57 to 16. EWU got rolled.

EWU fans seem to agree that EWU has a weak defense and that appeared to be the case yesterday. I thought EWU had a great offense, but it appears I was wrong.

Funny how Montana fans come out of the shadows and post on this board now. I didn't see any of you on here when we beat your asses the last 4 meetings, or when we beat you in your own gym last year in basketball to steal the NCAA spot.

Enjoy your win. We will be back, you can guarantee that.

 

[LDopaPDX]

We are extremely young this year as a team, especially on defense. I support of coaches on both sides of the ball. They are among the best in the business and we are lucky to have them at EWU.

:clap: :nod: :nod: :nod:

There's so much more to this than almost anyone on this board realizes.

What I do know is that very few professions rely upon the often whimsical success of 18-23 year olds. Attorneys don't have a rabid fan base questioning their every move and calling for their firing when they lose a case.

Walking through the Griz Hall of Fame corridor yesterday to get my tickets and marveling at the stadium and the fans once again reminded me how special and over-achieving our success has been. If you've never been there to see a game, than you have no clue what we're up against and I'm guessing you greatly under-appreciate the success we've had. Out of the 130+ FCS programs, only 22 have ever achieved greatness. Cripes, a small minority have ever even made it out of the quarterfinals. Loot at what the this coaching staff has been able to do.

Wanna mention that they did it with Paul Wulff's recruits? Fine. You know who was UNABLE to do it with Paul Wulff's recruits? Paul Wulff. And it sure as hell was mostly Baldwin's recruits and coaches who got us to back to back Semi's and beat Oregon State.

Everyone in the program is working their asses off (probably harder than many of you at your own jobs) to be successful. Just recognize that when you are calling for a coach's job, (like your opinion actually matters :rofl: ) you really do look ignorant and kind of douchey.

(but please continue because it is somewhat entertaining... :mrgreen: )

I don't agree with a lot of what you're saying, with all due respect. Everyone knows coaches are trying hard, and for what it's worth, I don't think I've EVER heard someone suggest we should fire the staff.

However, I think we'd be foolish not to acknowledge there are some pretty big issues with this team right now. 6-4 is still alive, but it's very hard to look at our effort yesterday and be comfortable that we're doing things right. The team just didn't look like they had any heart out there. Compare to the Oregon game where we also got beat, but looked like we fought tooth and nail to hang in there and make something happen. I don't think anyone would be upset beyond the typical disappointment from losing a game if we saw that same effort.

Also, how many more years does it take to realize the fit isn't right on defense? Who knows what the solution is there, but you know Baldwin is concerned about it. We just don't force punts, and when you don't force punts-- especially for years on end--- you struggle to win. I hardly think people on this board wanting something to happen to change that ongoing problem is throwing out unjust criticism.

Besides, why would change be bad? It doesn't have to be painful, it can be positive and constructive. I'm not sure why the suggestion of wanting change is seen as negative. There are things not working right now, as is evidenced by our recent results, so change isn't just wanted, it's needed if we are going to be a great team again.

 

[LDopaPDX]

Well, the great part of being fans is the ability to play arm chair QBs , it's natural and healthy. Some support the staff, other don't but in the end- this board is alive! I've looked at some other boards, and it's a ghost town. Heck it's cheap entertainment getting the old timers riled up, !

In the end, injuries hurt this team the most. Several previous starters were moved to different positions to back up injured players at other positions. So that's why we haven't seen many of them.But In the end, I think it was Ranger that stated we need to do some soul searching and find out what's causing this enormous amount of injuries.

Besides all of that 'ALL I WANT FOR CHRISTMAS IS TO GET RID OF THOSE GOD FORSAKEN HIGH SCHOOL BLEACHERS".

Go Eags :thumb: :thumb:

Amen, brother! :thumb:

I'll throw out an Amen to that as well. If we get KO'd from the playoffs next week, the timing couldn't be any better to announce some changes to Roos Field. It would certainly be helpful to have some positive PR come out of the AD to offset a rough end to the year.

 

[kalm]

We are extremely young this year as a team, especially on defense. I support of coaches on both sides of the ball. They are among the best in the business and we are lucky to have them at EWU.

:clap: :nod: :nod: :nod:

There's so much more to this than almost anyone on this board realizes.

What I do know is that very few professions rely upon the often whimsical success of 18-23 year olds. Attorneys don't have a rabid fan base questioning their every move and calling for their firing when they lose a case.

Walking through the Griz Hall of Fame corridor yesterday to get my tickets and marveling at the stadium and the fans once again reminded me how special and over-achieving our success has been. If you've never been there to see a game, than you have no clue what we're up against and I'm guessing you greatly under-appreciate the success we've had. Out of the 130+ FCS programs, only 22 have ever achieved greatness. Cripes, a small minority have ever even made it out of the quarterfinals. Loot at what the this coaching staff has been able to do.

Wanna mention that they did it with Paul Wulff's recruits? Fine. You know who was UNABLE to do it with Paul Wulff's recruits? Paul Wulff. And it sure as hell was mostly Baldwin's recruits and coaches who got us to back to back Semi's and beat Oregon State.

Everyone in the program is working their asses off (probably harder than many of you at your own jobs) to be successful. Just recognize that when you are calling for a coach's job, (like your opinion actually matters :rofl: ) you really do look ignorant and kind of douchey.

(but please continue because it is somewhat entertaining... :mrgreen: )

I don't agree with a lot of what you're saying, with all due respect. Everyone knows coaches are trying hard, and for what it's worth, I don't think I've EVER heard someone suggest we should fire the staff.

However, I think we'd be foolish not to acknowledge there are some pretty big issues with this team right now. 6-4 is still alive, but it's very hard to look at our effort yesterday and be comfortable that we're doing things right. The team just didn't look like they had any heart out there. Compare to the Oregon game where we also got beat, but looked like we fought tooth and nail to hang in there and make something happen. I don't think anyone would be upset beyond the typical disappointment from losing a game if we saw that same effort.

Also, how many more years does it take to realize the fit isn't right on defense? Who knows what the solution is there, but you know Baldwin is concerned about it. We just don't force punts, and when you don't force punts-- especially for years on end--- you struggle to win. I hardly think people on this board wanting something to happen to change that ongoing problem is throwing out unjust criticism.

Besides, why would change be bad? It doesn't have to be painful, it can be positive and constructive. I'm not sure why the suggestion of wanting change is seen as negative. There are things not working right now, as is evidenced by our recent results, so change isn't just wanted, it's needed if we are going to be a great team again.

Perhaps I misunderstood but replacing the entire defensive staff was mentioned in the OP and something similar was tacitly mentioned by you with the WSU reference.

If that's not the case then I apologize for coming on strong.

FWIW, I just watched the Hawks jail break blitz Carson Palmer with great success. I long to see us do the same but can also recognize our coaches are like minded...

 

[LDopaPDX]

I think WSU is a good example of a positive change on defense. They aren't world beaters on D, but with mostly the same kids as last year, they are suddenly getting results. The improvement has totally changed the core of the teams and they've gone from losing to winning.

Change isn't always a good thing, of course. You need to make sure whatever change you make is going to result in improvement. We made some defensive changes last year, and it doesn't seem to have led to any improvement. Obviously, we need to make some changes that are more positively impactful this time around.

I'm the first to admit I don't have the answers; I don't see what is happening with the assessment of players, in film sessions, and on the practice field. But any person with eyes and a brain can see we not only aren't very good, but not getting better. Can the guys we have in the jobs they have now get it it done? Maybe, not my call... But if not, better to make some changes now than continue struggling.

 

[air045]

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[kalm]

So that I understand what's being said. Someone feels that calling for a coaches job on a fan forum is inappropriate? :rofl: :rofl: I think it's time to put on some big boy pants and ditch the small town thinking. Fans have every right to break out the torches and pitchforks. You don't have to agree with them, but it's their right- nonetheless. This is a business, and we're their customers. If seahawks rolled out horrible defenses year after year- I'll be one of the first to call for their jobs.

Also, to get on a high horse and stat they work harder than anyone else, is a complete "homer' move! hno: hno: hno: hno:


Lets keep it real- It should be obvious to everyone on this planet that this defense performance is nothing short of embarrassing and hard to watch- and it's not the players. It's time to put the poms poms down and dawn the pitchforks and torches and storm the castle - Heck ya, fans have every right to call for college coaches job. Some of you act like it's treason or something!!This isn't high school. Coaches are paid to perform at this level- PERIOD. What happened on that field on the defensive side of the ball cannot be just explained away. I do trust Coach B will do what's best for the program- so I'm not worried about it. My money says we will finish as the worst defense in the entire FCS. If that happens, and no changes are made, I would be completely shocked.

So it's time to put down the Rose colored glasses because in the end, we got to keep it real.

Who said anything about inappropriateness or rights? The more free and open a message board, the better. BTW, that includes profanity which IIRC you seem to think is "inappropriate."

And what's "homer" about bringing up the hours and time spent away from home and families of a college football coach? It's the same at every school and simply a reality they sign up for. That doesn't change the fact that it's a more demanding profession in that regard than many or that the average fan might not realize how much goes into it.

I'm not sure you understand what the term "homer" means.

But thanks for this:

So it's time to put down the Rose colored glasses because in the end, we got to keep it real.

I live in a small town. Is that what the cool kids in the big cities are saying these days?

The 90's called. It wants it's catch phrase back...Homes. :rofl:

 

[air045]

So that I understand what's being said. Someone feels that calling for a coaches job on a fan forum is inappropriate? :rofl: :rofl: I think it's time to put on some big boy pants and ditch the small town thinking. Fans have every right to break out the torches and pitchforks. You don't have to agree with them, but it's their right- nonetheless. This is a business, and we're their customers. If seahawks rolled out horrible defenses year after year- I'll be one of the first to call for their jobs.

Also, to get on a high horse and stat they work harder than anyone else, is a complete "homer' move! hno: hno: hno: hno:


Lets keep it real- It should be obvious to everyone on this planet that this defense performance is nothing short of embarrassing and hard to watch- and it's not the players. It's time to put the poms poms down and dawn the pitchforks and torches and storm the castle - Heck ya, fans have every right to call for college coaches job. Some of you act like it's treason or something!!This isn't high school. Coaches are paid to perform at this level- PERIOD. What happened on that field on the defensive side of the ball cannot be just explained away. I do trust Coach B will do what's best for the program- so I'm not worried about it. My money says we will finish as the worst defense in the entire FCS. If that happens, and no changes are made, I would be completely shocked.

So it's time to put down the Rose colored glasses because in the end, we got to keep it real.

Who said anything about inappropriateness or rights? The more free and open a message board, the better. BTW, that includes profanity which IIRC you seem to think is "inappropriate."

And what's "homer" about bringing up the hours and time spent away from home and families of a college football coach? It's the same at every school and simply a reality they sign up for. That doesn't change the fact that it's a more demanding profession in that regard than many or that the average fan might not realize how much goes into it.

I'm not sure you understand what the term "homer" means.

But thanks for this:

So it's time to put down the Rose colored glasses because in the end, we got to keep it real.

I live in a small town. Is that what the cool kids in the big cities are saying these days?

The 90's called. It wants it's catch phrase back...Homes. :rofl:

Huh?? hno: hno: hno: Is that's the best ya got Kalm? You might want to put away those Bob Hope Memory classic jokes . You got me - I would have never guess you were from a small town :rofl: :rofl:

Come on KAlM, I'm sure you can do better than that.

 

[LDopaPDX]

Big Up, West Staines Massiv!