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It seems to me that there is love fest going on with Ron McBride on this blog site. Some were angry when he was not rehired after changing his mind. But I say, why did he "overreact" and quit? And then expect, that just because he changed his mind, that Weber should have taken him back with open arms. Those actions are not exactly those of a rock solid individual.

Many, including me, are disappointed that Hammer was left in the OC position by Smith and Sears. It is easy to be even more disappointed today than we were when he was retained after McBride's departure. But, I remind you that Mr. McBride is the one who put Hammer in that position to begin with. And he wanted him to continue as OC after his departure. So who should we really blame for this? I submit that McBride has to take at least a part of the blame.

McBride is a fellow who is easily liked. No doubt about it. Has a great personality. No one wishes him anything but the best. But don't forget that a big part of the reason his players loved him (not a bad thing) is that he liked and cared about them so much. It is the same reason he was unable to provide an acceptable level of discipline in them, leading to disappointing results too often. So one of his greatest assets was also one of his biggest liabilities.

McBride was a great recruiter. In fact a much better recruiter than he was a head coach. He may be the best recruiter that Weber State has ever had in their head coaching position. But I submit that he was no better than Mike Price and probably not as good as Sark Arslanian. And a football program cannot flourish on recruiting alone.

The top four football coaches (measured by winning percentage) are:
Four: Mike Price @ .510.
Three: Ron McBride @ .525.
Two: Dave Arslanian @ .530
One: Sark Arslanian @ .666
All on them coached at Weber for at least 7 years. Sark Arslanian was the best in my opinion. Dave Arslanian was second best because of his winning percentage, his performance in saving the football program, the lack of support he received from the Athletic and University Administration, and less money to work with. Ron McBride is probably third best but that is not for sure because his winning percentage in only slighly ahead of Mike Price who coached at Weber when the school had far less funds to put into football and also had greatly diminished facilities compared to today. About the time that Jerry Graybeal became head coach in 1998 is when Weber got better AD's and starting putting more assets into the football program. Anyone who coached after that time certainly had a more smoothly paved road to drive on than the earlier coaches did.

So, my opinion is that Sark Arslanian was the best overall coach when you count football ability and recruiting and management ability.

Dave Arslanian is #2 and was the best X's and O's guy who also ran a tight program. His father beats him out as #1 mainly because I think he was a better recruiter than his son.

McBride and Price are in a dead heat for 3rd place. They both were "personalities, recruiters and not so great at the discipline. Both were adequate football knowledge guys but certainly not over the top. I might give a slight edge to Price because he coached at a time in Weber's history where the football program was not as well funded and supported as when McBride was here.

So, what's with the love affair that so many on this site seem to have with McBride? He was only slightly above average as a coach as far as his results testify to. We need to forget the past, stop pointing fingers and get along with our future. The past is the past and cannot be changed. Lets focus on supporting Bovee and athletics in general. I think he is the best AD Weber has had in the 42 years I have been an avid fan of Weber State sports. Lets hope that he finds a young, up and coming, dynamo who does take us to the next level. I mean to the level where 7-8 wins are the worst we expect in any given year. We will have such a young guy for 3 to 5 years and he will move on to bigger opportunities. Nothing wrong with that. Just leaves us the challenge of finding the "right guy" again. Let's get moving...
 
baller said:
So, what's with the love affair that so many on this site seem to have with McBride? He was only slightly above average as a coach as far as his results testify to. We need to forget the past, stop pointing fingers and get along with our future. The past is the past and cannot be changed. Lets focus on supporting Bovee and athletics in general. I think he is the best AD Weber has had in the 42 years I have been an avid fan of Weber State sports. Lets hope that he finds a young, up and coming, dynamo who does take us to the next level. I mean to the level where 7-8 wins are the worst we expect in any given year. We will have such a young guy for 3 to 5 years and he will move on to bigger opportunities. Nothing wrong with that. Just leaves us the challenge of finding the "right guy" again. Let's get moving...

:+1: :+1: :+1:
I like Bovee. It's unfortunate that Sears hasn't gotten it together this year. But it is time to move on. The hardest part is finding the first young guy that is good. Once we find a good young guy who stays for a few years and builds a successful program he will groom the future coach in one of the assistants.
 
I don't believe any of the posts on here claim that McBride is the standard for collegiate coaching. However, the recent success of the program can be primarily contributed to him. Regardless of new facilities and whatnot, the job still has to be done by the person running the program whether through actual hands-on work or delegation. Clearly the team's performance was beginning to falter over his last couple seasons and that is why a change was made. The point I have been attempting to make is that by Bovee selecting Smith as the new coach, Weber was bound to start almost completely over which was NOT what Bovee claimed he was looking for in his search. Also, I think few believe that Bovee is a poor administrator, but for him to not be held at least partially responsible for the Smith situation is ridiculous. He had plenty of quality candidates for the job who would have been a better fit given the status of the program at that time, but he instead chose the glam of a big name and neglected the obvious warning signs that come with a guy like John L. Smith.

With all that said- yes, it is time for another change and looking forward to the future is certainly best.
 
CatBacker13 said:
I don't believe any of the posts on here claim that McBride is the standard for collegiate coaching. However, the recent success of the program can be primarily contributed to him. Regardless of new facilities and whatnot, the job still has to be done by the person running the program whether through actual hands-on work or delegation. Clearly the team's performance was beginning to falter over his last couple seasons and that is why a change was made. The point I have been attempting to make is that by Bovee selecting Smith as the new coach, Weber was bound to start almost completely over which was NOT what Bovee claimed he was looking for in his search. Also, I think few believe that Bovee is a poor administrator, but for him to not be held at least partially responsible for the Smith situation is ridiculous. He had plenty of quality candidates for the job who would have been a better fit given the status of the program at that time, but he instead chose the glam of a big name and neglected the obvious warning signs that come with a guy like John L. Smith.

With all that said- yes, it is time for another change and looking forward to the future is certainly best.
Perfectly said. I agree with all of this.
 
Getting back on point- I assume the original purpose of this thread was to create discussion about who the next coach will be. I think the best candidate would be someone from the McBride/Whittingham coaching tree who has experience with how to build a successful program in the state of Utah. I am also biased towards a strong defense and think a defensive head coach would be a smart way to go...
 
So has Jody put together anymore of his staff yet? All that has been mentioned is offensive coordinator Timm Rosenbach. Will Timm bring any position coaches with him from UM?

Do we know if any coaches are going to be retained? I like Colton Swan, I like how the LBs have played under him and he knows the school having played for the cats too.
 
WILDCAT said:
Anybody have news on any new coaches? Or is Hammer the only one we are replacing?

I hope not...someone with "inside" news will have to say. Did read where Paul Petrino, former WSU/USU assistant coach, is the new pick for Idaho (he was the OC at Arkansas on staff with our beloved JLS). Probably Coach Sears is busy on the recruiting trail??
 
WILDCAT said:
Anybody have news on any new coaches? Or is Hammer the only one we are replacing?

Looks like wide receiver coach Craig Stutzmann will still be with the cat's. (he is in the article on Alfonso Medina's commit.

Who else...
 
Your new OC, Timm Rosenbach, hired by Pflugrad at Montana, then had to work with Delaney as HC. Tons of problems, but where the blame lies is up to the evaluator. The offense just did not click, but the whole situation in Missoula was unstable. He did avoid the tar and feather pine rail ride out of town, so he was astute enough to get out of Dodge before-hand. At any rate, you got him now. It will be interesting to see how well he does.
 
59812 said:
Your new OC, Timm Rosenbach, hired by Pflugrad at Montana, then had to work with Delaney as HC. Tons of problems, but where the blame lies is up to the evaluator. The offense just did not click, but the whole situation in Missoula was unstable. He did avoid the tar and feather pine rail ride out of town, so he was astute enough to get out of Dodge before-hand. At any rate, you got him now. It will be interesting to see how well he does.

Lock's like Timm is going going gone... http://www.egriz.com/grizboard/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=60735
 
wsucatfan said:
59812 said:
Your new OC, Timm Rosenbach, hired by Pflugrad at Montana, then had to work with Delaney as HC. Tons of problems, but where the blame lies is up to the evaluator. The offense just did not click, but the whole situation in Missoula was unstable. He did avoid the tar and feather pine rail ride out of town, so he was astute enough to get out of Dodge before-hand. At any rate, you got him now. It will be interesting to see how well he does.

Lock's like Timm is going going gone... http://www.egriz.com/grizboard/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=60735
So is Timm Roseypalms the son of John L? Hopefully he kept the U-Haul running while he stopped by Stewart Stadium for a cup of Coffee.
 
N.OgdenCat said:
Interesting information. Has this been verified yet? Or is this still an Egrizz rumour?
this aint egriz: UNLV: Sources tell us Weber State offensive coordinator Timm Rosenbach is leaving to become the offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach at UNLV.
http://www.footballscoop.com/the-scoop" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
thewaterboy said:
N.OgdenCat said:
Interesting information. Has this been verified yet? Or is this still an Egrizz rumour?
this aint egriz: UNLV: Sources tell us Weber State offensive coordinator Timm Rosenbach is leaving to become the offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach at UNLV.
http://www.footballscoop.com/the-scoop" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So now who do we hire for the offensive coordinator position? Brandon Doman :doh: ?
 
I still think this is just unfounded rumor. Why would he leave WSU, and shaft his good buddy as HC to go to UNLV where Hauck is odds on favorite to lose his job, and thus, his job next year? Makes no sense.
 
59812 said:
I still think this is just unfounded rumor. Why would he leave WSU, and shaft his good buddy as HC to go to UNLV where Hauck is odds on favorite to lose his job, and thus, his job next year? Makes no sense.
Probably for the same reason JLS left for a job that lasted one season, $$$$$. There is absolutely no loyalty in coaching. Football Scoop is usually dead on. It's not just some egriz rumor.
 
SWeberCat02 said:
59812 said:
I still think this is just unfounded rumor. Why would he leave WSU, and shaft his good buddy as HC to go to UNLV where Hauck is odds on favorite to lose his job, and thus, his job next year? Makes no sense.
Probably for the same reason JLS left for a job that lasted one season, $$$$$. There is absolutely no loyalty in coaching. Football Scoop is usually dead on. It's not just some egriz rumor.

The sweet smell of the greener grass (as in $$) of FBS football always lurks...future Wildcat coach prospects might need to be asked of their contacts/immediate interests with the FBS boys. If this latest quick escape from Weberland is true, then why not look at younger, eager, good coaches at the lower levels?! (Maybe not so much at high school coaches such as former OC Hammer, etc. but...). Too bad Weber didn't take a closer look at Kevin McGiven, Former OC hire under McBride, then left for USU under Anderson, later to Memphis. Both HCs thought he was a dandy coach and would do fine. Too late now, he was recently picked up as OC by new Aggie HC Matt Wells. Teased a Aggie friend that hope is maybe in 3 yrs (after possible Sears debacle at WSU) the Wildcats might steal him away as their next HC. :twocents:
And is Jody Sears going to hire a DC coach, or try to wear two hats again and WEAR DOWN ??!
 

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