Epic end-of-game failure

[clawman1]

The two are not mutually exclusive. You can appreciate where a program has come from while holding high expectations for the future, as long as the expectations are reasonable. You specifically called out PDX. In reading what he wrote, I didn't see anything that was unreasonable.

Personally, I love how far our program has come, leading to expectations like this. We are now one of the top programs in the FCS. I'm sure Coach Baldwin and Co. feel the same way.

Ryan;
By chance I was on the same flight as the team coming home today. It appeared to me the coaches were as or more disappointed then the players. They are really bummed.
On the flight home I kept thinking how proud I am to be an Eagle fan.
As far as criticizing the players, I have a hard time with that. Those kids work 7 days a week all year to get better. They have a number on their jersey and a name in the program, it IS personal. When fans on a blog imply they are not trying or in some way inept I take exception to that. It is easy to hide behind a screen name and criticize these kids. To be clear I respect everyones right to an opinion but with that right there is some responsibility.
Go Eagles!

 

[Dozy]

Not sure how you let a 3rd string QB, with no time outs left, :55 seconds left and 75 yards to go, beat you...and give you the 12 seconds left over.....
I'll say it again...Prevent only prevents you from winning. A young buck at QB needs pressure to rattle his nerves, not 5-6 seconds of free time.

Don't put that on the D-line. The play before the kid had to tuck and was nailed at the line of scrimmage. Then, the long play came after the QB was running for his life. He wasn't sitting in the pocket for 5-6 seconds... Let's be honest, there was a breakdown in coverage and the receiver got behind the DB's. As for the scoring play, well, that was obvious.

 

[Ryan31088]

When fans on a blog imply they are not trying or in some way inept I take exception to that. It is easy to hide behind a screen name and criticize these kids. To be clear I respect everyones right to an opinion but with that right there is some responsibility.
Go Eagles!

Nobody is saying they are inept or not trying.

 

[EWUeag]

Well at least Baldwin owned it...

I've often heard other coaches say "I don't block or tackle" but seldom hear a coach say "that one is one me" as Beau did.
Shows the class we all know him for.

+1 :clap:

 

[clawman1]

Well at least Baldwin owned it...

I've often heard other coaches say "I don't block or tackle" but seldom hear a coach say "that one is one me" as Beau did.
Shows the class we all know him for.

+1 :clap:

As compared to the "pirate" in Pullman. He said the Cougars lost by 20+ because players were thinking too much about the last play. Isn't that amazing denial? :lol:

 

[HannahO]

The two are not mutually exclusive. You can appreciate where a program has come from while holding high expectations for the future, as long as the expectations are reasonable. You specifically called out PDX. In reading what he wrote, I didn't see anything that was unreasonable.

Personally, I love how far our program has come, leading to expectations like this. We are now one of the top programs in the FCS. I'm sure Coach Baldwin and Co. feel the same way.

And you specifically called out me and I didn't see anything unreasonable about what I wrote... So what is your point? As I said in my post to Dopa, there's a place for pessimism but balance it out. I'm not sure how that's calling someone out but if you're really sensitive I guess it could be characterized that way.

No need to go all "eGriz!" This is a place where we all get to have opinions! :rofl:

 

[Dozy]

The two are not mutually exclusive. You can appreciate where a program has come from while holding high expectations for the future, as long as the expectations are reasonable. You specifically called out PDX. In reading what he wrote, I didn't see anything that was unreasonable.

Personally, I love how far our program has come, leading to expectations like this. We are now one of the top programs in the FCS. I'm sure Coach Baldwin and Co. feel the same way.

And you specifically called out me and I didn't see anything unreasonable about what I wrote... So what is your point? As I said in my post to Dopa, there's a place for pessimism but balance it out. I'm not sure how that's calling someone out but if you're really sensitive I guess it could be characterized that way.

No need to go all "eGriz!" This is a place where we all get to have opinions! :rofl:

+1

 

[loloman]

Not sure how you let a 3rd string QB, with no time outs left, :55 seconds left and 75 yards to go, beat you...and give you the 12 seconds left over.....
I'll say it again...Prevent only prevents you from winning. A young buck at QB needs pressure to rattle his nerves, not 5-6 seconds of free time.

Don't put that on the D-line. The play before the kid had to tuck and was nailed at the line of scrimmage. Then, the long play came after the QB was running for his life. He wasn't sitting in the pocket for 5-6 seconds... Let's be honest, there was a breakdown in coverage and the receiver got behind the DB's. As for the scoring play, well, that was obvious.

Please don't get me wrong. I'm not at all putting it on the D line. I believe that we were only rushing 3. What I was meaning was that if we threw more pressure on him rather than playing a nickle or dime coverage may have not allowed him to have the ability to allow his receivers to get that far down field and need to make a quicker decision. I would never badmouth these boys. They play their butts off week in and week out, work harder than most of us realize. These boys deserve all of our support, and I will always be there.

 

[Dozy]

Not sure how you let a 3rd string QB, with no time outs left, :55 seconds left and 75 yards to go, beat you...and give you the 12 seconds left over.....
I'll say it again...Prevent only prevents you from winning. A young buck at QB needs pressure to rattle his nerves, not 5-6 seconds of free time.

Don't put that on the D-line. The play before the kid had to tuck and was nailed at the line of scrimmage. Then, the long play came after the QB was running for his life. He wasn't sitting in the pocket for 5-6 seconds... Let's be honest, there was a breakdown in coverage and the receiver got behind the DB's. As for the scoring play, well, that was obvious.

Please don't get me wrong. I'm not at all putting it on the D line. I believe that we were only rushing 3. What I was meaning was that if we threw more pressure on him rather than playing a nickle or dime coverage may have not allowed him to have the ability to allow his receivers to get that far down field and need to make a quicker decision. I would never badmouth these boys. They play their butts off week in and week out, work harder than most of us realize. These boys deserve all of our support, and I will always be there.

Thanks for the clarification. I can't stand the three man rush (sometimes two when we drop a lineman into almost a short cover situation)! Never have, never will...

 

[luckyintheorder]

Not sure how you let a 3rd string QB, with no time outs left, :55 seconds left and 75 yards to go, beat you...and give you the 12 seconds left over.....
I'll say it again...Prevent only prevents you from winning. A young buck at QB needs pressure to rattle his nerves, not 5-6 seconds of free time.

Anyone remember the loss to Towson? Pounded the 2nd stringer in the 3rd quarter and took a 17 point lead. Dropped into coverage in the 4th quarter and ....

Couldn't see what was happening on the field in this one as was on the radio broadcast, but in the games that I've been able to watch, defense hasn't been set at the snap on many occasions and given up the big plays when this happens. Don't know if the defensive call is coming in late, but it looks like it.

Seemed like Coach B's 4th down call was predicated on how the D played for most of the game and he gave Graham a chance to win one. IMO Graham goes back to his root "comfort zone" in these moments. Simply, it is a "don't lose" versus a "win it" mentality. When I think of Graham, this song comes to mind. At some point, we are all past it.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEagi9co0Ko[/youtube]

 

[tomq04]

How did you guys feels about the Redskins Vs Cowboys Monday night game. 4th quarter, last drive, the 'skins brought 7 on every single play while leaving a rookie safety and cornerback on coverage.

 

[Ryan31088]

How did you guys feels about the Redskins Vs Cowboys Monday night game. 4th quarter, last drive, the 'skins brought 7 on every single play while leaving a rookie safety and cornerback on coverage.

Very ballsy. I wouldn't have done that.

 

[kalm]

Not sure how you let a 3rd string QB, with no time outs left, :55 seconds left and 75 yards to go, beat you...and give you the 12 seconds left over.....
I'll say it again...Prevent only prevents you from winning. A young buck at QB needs pressure to rattle his nerves, not 5-6 seconds of free time.

Anyone remember the loss to Towson? Pounded the 2nd stringer in the 3rd quarter and took a 17 point lead. Dropped into coverage in the 4th quarter and ....

Couldn't see what was happening on the field in this one as was on the radio broadcast, but in the games that I've been able to watch, defense hasn't been set at the snap on many occasions and given up the big plays when this happens. Don't know if the defensive call is coming in late, but it looks like it.

Seemed like Coach B's 4th down call was predicated on how the D played for most of the game and he gave Graham a chance to win one. IMO Graham goes back to his root "comfort zone" in these moments. Simply, it is a "don't lose" versus a "win it" mentality. When I think of Graham, this song comes to mind. At some point, we are all past it.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEagi9co0Ko[/youtube]

1) We were in press man on Towson's last drive.

2) With 51 seconds left and NAU needing to go 77 yards with no timeouts you'd be an absolute idiot to not play back. Our safeties let two receivers get behind them.

 

[luckyintheorder]

Not sure how you let a 3rd string QB, with no time outs left, :55 seconds left and 75 yards to go, beat you...and give you the 12 seconds left over.....
I'll say it again...Prevent only prevents you from winning. A young buck at QB needs pressure to rattle his nerves, not 5-6 seconds of free time.

Anyone remember the loss to Towson? Pounded the 2nd stringer in the 3rd quarter and took a 17 point lead. Dropped into coverage in the 4th quarter and ....

Couldn't see what was happening on the field in this one as was on the radio broadcast, but in the games that I've been able to watch, defense hasn't been set at the snap on many occasions and given up the big plays when this happens. Don't know if the defensive call is coming in late, but it looks like it.

Seemed like Coach B's 4th down call was predicated on how the D played for most of the game and he gave Graham a chance to win one. IMO Graham goes back to his root "comfort zone" in these moments. Simply, it is a "don't lose" versus a "win it" mentality. When I think of Graham, this song comes to mind. At some point, we are all past it.


1) We were in press man on Towson's last drive.

2) With 51 seconds left and NAU needing to go 77 yards with no timeouts you'd be an absolute idiot to not play back. Our safeties let two receivers get behind them.

Surprise, you don't agree.. :shock: Never the full story with you as the leading deflection expert on this board. hang on to your delusions.

 

[marceagfan5]

Not sure how you let a 3rd string QB, with no time outs left, :55 seconds left and 75 yards to go, beat you...and give you the 12 seconds left over.....
I'll say it again...Prevent only prevents you from winning. A young buck at QB needs pressure to rattle his nerves, not 5-6 seconds of free time.

Anyone remember the loss to Towson? Pounded the 2nd stringer in the 3rd quarter and took a 17 point lead. Dropped into coverage in the 4th quarter and ....

Couldn't see what was happening on the field in this one as was on the radio broadcast, but in the games that I've been able to watch, defense hasn't been set at the snap on many occasions and given up the big plays when this happens. Don't know if the defensive call is coming in late, but it looks like it.

Seemed like Coach B's 4th down call was predicated on how the D played for most of the game and he gave Graham a chance to win one. IMO Graham goes back to his root "comfort zone" in these moments. Simply, it is a "don't lose" versus a "win it" mentality. When I think of Graham, this song comes to mind. At some point, we are all past it.


1) We were in press man on Towson's last drive.

2) With 51 seconds left and NAU needing to go 77 yards with no timeouts you'd be an absolute idiot to not play back. Our safeties let two receivers get behind them.

Surprise, you don't agree.. :shock: Never the full story with you as the leading deflection expert on this board. hang on to your delusions.

It is what it is, the game(s) is behind us at this point. There is a laundry list of things that were not executed in the game or poor decisions that were made. Bottom line is the team can learn, improve, and move on, or dwell about it. Pretty sure we are going to be fine. When we beat UND this weekend, we will pretty much lock up a playoff spot...the sun is going to come up again, football will be played in Cheney on Saturday, all is right with the world...

 

[LDopaPDX]

Not sure how you let a 3rd string QB, with no time outs left, :55 seconds left and 75 yards to go, beat you...and give you the 12 seconds left over.....
I'll say it again...Prevent only prevents you from winning. A young buck at QB needs pressure to rattle his nerves, not 5-6 seconds of free time.

Anyone remember the loss to Towson? Pounded the 2nd stringer in the 3rd quarter and took a 17 point lead. Dropped into coverage in the 4th quarter and ....

Couldn't see what was happening on the field in this one as was on the radio broadcast, but in the games that I've been able to watch, defense hasn't been set at the snap on many occasions and given up the big plays when this happens. Don't know if the defensive call is coming in late, but it looks like it.

Seemed like Coach B's 4th down call was predicated on how the D played for most of the game and he gave Graham a chance to win one. IMO Graham goes back to his root "comfort zone" in these moments. Simply, it is a "don't lose" versus a "win it" mentality. When I think of Graham, this song comes to mind. At some point, we are all past it.


1) We were in press man on Towson's last drive.

2) With 51 seconds left and NAU needing to go 77 yards with no timeouts you'd be an absolute idiot to not play back. Our safeties let two receivers get behind them.

Surprise, you don't agree.. :shock: Never the full story with you as the leading deflection expert on this board. hang on to your delusions.

It is what it is, the game(s) is behind us at this point. There is a laundry list of things that were not executed in the game or poor decisions that were made. Bottom line is the team can learn, improve, and move on, or dwell about it. Pretty sure we are going to be fine. When we beat UND this weekend, we will pretty much lock up a playoff spot...the sun is going to come up again, football will be played in Cheney on Saturday, all is right with the world...

I don't think beating UND locks up a playoff spot though. That is to say, if we lose the last two. 8-4 in a very weak conference with two consecutive losses would require a LOT of help to get us in. Honestly, I don't think any 4 loss Big Sky team should be getting in this season... although Montana or Montana State might get a nod given their bigger stadiums and crowds for a first round game.

That's why I think so much rides on this game with UND. If we play like garbage and lose, we'd likely need to win the next two running to make it into the playoffs. Coming off two losses, that certainly is no given. I suppose that's why each and every game is important and you need to play a full 60 minutes each time out... because a loss like last week can really change your destiny if you don't immediately learn from it.

 

[marceagfan5]

I don't think beating UND locks up a playoff spot though. That is to say, if we lose the last two. 8-4 in a very weak conference with two consecutive losses would require a LOT of help to get us in. Honestly, I don't think any 4 loss Big Sky team should be getting in this season... although Montana or Montana State might get a nod given their bigger stadiums and crowds for a first round game.

That's why I think so much rides on this game with UND. If we play like garbage and lose, we'd likely need to win the next two running to make it into the playoffs. Coming off two losses, that certainly is no given. I suppose that's why each and every game is important and you need to play a full 60 minutes each time out... because a loss like last week can really change your destiny if you don't immediately learn from it.

I think we are a lock at 8-4. We aren't going to go 8-4, but we are a lock if we do.

Wins in Bozeman and against ISU and SHSU are big. MSU is a top 10 team, we won there. ISU is a playoff contender. If SHSU wins Saturday, they have the best shot to win the Southland. We have good wins, 8-4, we are a lock.

There are 4 conferences in the FCS that dominate, we are in one of them. I somewhat disagree that the Big Sky is down. We have had a team in the semi's 6 straight years, 3 of them a team in the chipper. Nobody outside the top 4 conferences has even had a team in the national championship in 6 years. Based on this, an 8-4 team from the Big Sky who has good wins, lost their starting QB but is coming back, and went to back to back semi's is a lock for a playoff spot...see Sam Houston last year as an example...

 

[dudeitsaid]

I don't think beating UND locks up a playoff spot though. That is to say, if we lose the last two. 8-4 in a very weak conference with two consecutive losses would require a LOT of help to get us in. Honestly, I don't think any 4 loss Big Sky team should be getting in this season... although Montana or Montana State might get a nod given their bigger stadiums and crowds for a first round game.

That's why I think so much rides on this game with UND. If we play like garbage and lose, we'd likely need to win the next two running to make it into the playoffs. Coming off two losses, that certainly is no given. I suppose that's why each and every game is important and you need to play a full 60 minutes each time out... because a loss like last week can really change your destiny if you don't immediately learn from it.

I think we are a lock at 8-4. We aren't going to go 8-4, but we are a lock if we do.

Wins in Bozeman and against ISU and SHSU are big. MSU is a top 10 team, we won there. ISU is a playoff contender. If SHSU wins Saturday, they have the best shot to win the Southland. We have good wins, 8-4, we are a lock.

There are 4 conferences in the FCS that dominate, we are in one of them. I somewhat disagree that the Big Sky is down. We have had a team in the semi's 6 straight years, 3 of them a team in the chipper. Nobody outside the top 4 conferences has even had a team in the national championship in 6 years. Based on this, an 8-4 team from the Big Sky who has good wins, lost their starting QB but is coming back, and went to back to back semi's is a lock for a playoff spot...see Sam Houston last year as an example...

We may make it at 8-4, depending on what the field looked like. But I would have a hard time sleeping the night before the at larges are announced if we were coming off a two game skid!

But we don't need to worry about that now. We got a game tomorrow!

 

[kalm]

Not sure how you let a 3rd string QB, with no time outs left, :55 seconds left and 75 yards to go, beat you...and give you the 12 seconds left over.....
I'll say it again...Prevent only prevents you from winning. A young buck at QB needs pressure to rattle his nerves, not 5-6 seconds of free time.

Anyone remember the loss to Towson? Pounded the 2nd stringer in the 3rd quarter and took a 17 point lead. Dropped into coverage in the 4th quarter and ....

Couldn't see what was happening on the field in this one as was on the radio broadcast, but in the games that I've been able to watch, defense hasn't been set at the snap on many occasions and given up the big plays when this happens. Don't know if the defensive call is coming in late, but it looks like it.

Seemed like Coach B's 4th down call was predicated on how the D played for most of the game and he gave Graham a chance to win one. IMO Graham goes back to his root "comfort zone" in these moments. Simply, it is a "don't lose" versus a "win it" mentality. When I think of Graham, this song comes to mind. At some point, we are all past it.


1) We were in press man on Towson's last drive.

2) With 51 seconds left and NAU needing to go 77 yards with no timeouts you'd be an absolute idiot to not play back. Our safeties let two receivers get behind them.

Surprise, you don't agree.. :shock: Never the full story with you as the leading deflection expert on this board. hang on to your delusions.

1) is a fact.

2) is an opinion shared by any reasonable DC facing a third string QB who has to go 77 yards in 51 seconds with no timeouts.