EWU @ Weber State Game Day Thread

[luckyintheorder]

offensive play calling is poo poo..

Agreed. Passing when we should be running, and running when we should be passing. Pretty ugly display of play calling.

But if it worked the calls would be GENIUS

asking you to define anything is like pushing rope uphill, so will file this one away in the "clawman knows all" file then flush...

 

[clawman1]

The Weber coaches planned exactly as any other staff would do against a young inexpereinced QB. Pressure, pressure, pressure, coming from all different directions and it worked to keep EB# out of a rhythm and second guessing himself. Evidence- second to last drive overthrew receiver and picked off in the end zone. Next and last drive under-throws receiver. He seemed to be pointing the ball rather than just stepping up and throwing it.
Then to make matters worse we had too many dropped balls yesterday. O-line did not do a very good job of handling their d-line. Often times we were just overpowered. I wish we could have gotten the ball to play makers in space which would have kept the defense at bay a little.
I wondered if it would have worked to keep a full backfield with one guy always floating out, depending on pressure, to be open and create some space. Doing that though only leaves three receivers to keep db's back.

 

[clawman1]

offensive play calling is poo poo..

Agreed. Passing when we should be running, and running when we should be passing. Pretty ugly display of play calling.

But if it worked the calls would be GENIUS

Or like in former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrigh's office. In one corner was a four drawer file cabinet labeled "Newt's Ideas", laying on top was a single manilla envelope labeled "Newt's GOOD ideas" :lol:

 

[60s Savage]

The Weber coaches planned exactly as any other staff would do against a young inexpereinced QB. Pressure, pressure, pressure, coming from all different directions and it worked to keep EB# out of a rhythm and second guessing himself. Evidence- second to last drive overthrew receiver and picked off in the end zone. Next and last drive under-throws receiver. He seemed to be pointing the ball rather than just stepping up and throwing it.
Then to make matters worse we had too many dropped balls yesterday. O-line did not do a very good job of handling their d-line. Often times we were just overpowered. I wish we could have gotten the ball to play makers in space which would have kept the defense at bay a little.
I wondered if it would have worked to keep a full backfield with one guy always floating out, depending on pressure, to be open and create some space. Doing that though only leaves three receivers to keep db's back.

Agree with you Clawman regarding protecting EB3; occurred to me during the game when he was being eaten up. That type formation isn't required for all plays, and players in motion could see a stunt coming and be ready to provide a block or bump, then pull in a pass.

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[kalm]

Good night, Irene. Weber is a very average team. Unfortunately, so is Eastern. We are way too soft. We need our mental and physical toughness to increase tenfold to make anything out of the season.

I disagree on both points. Weber is above average and so is Eastern. Average teams don't play that poorly offensively against a ranked opponent on the road and still have a chance to win (ok tie) at the end. EB3 had some growing pains, but he was also put into some holes early with bad snaps and penalties that probably messed up his rythm. Also, some of the play calling on O was atrocious.

We will be fine. I am almost certain no one is getting out of the BSC undefeated and we have a good shot at running the table.

:nod:

I thought before the season started that Weber had turned the corner into re-load vs rebuild under Hill. They have lousy QB play, but Shaheed is a burner at receiver and in the return game and Josh Davis has been nominated to the Jerry Rice Award list. Are they as good yet as last year? No. You don't lose the leadership and decision making of Cantwell plus an AA lock down corner and a tight end without a little drop off. But that's a playoff team right there. Maybe an 8-3ish squad but also young and should be good for some time.

 

[LDopaPDX]

I don't know how good the secondaries we still have to play are, but it is quite obvious any team that can comfortably cover us in man are going to give us real problems, especially without Gubrud. The Cougs secondary dominated our receivers, and our passing TDs were generally broken coverages. Weber just flat dominated our receivers, although it's also fair to say that when they did get open, they weren't getting good balls thrown to them.

I hate watching game film of games where you look terrible, but our offense needs to review a lot from this last game. Weber is clearly good on D, but we made them look like Alabama. Even short screens proved a nightmare for us. In fairness, a lot of the short passes were good play calls and should have worked, we just couldn't execute them.

And I'd still like to see us have a long-term commitment to running the football in close games.

 

[luckyintheorder]

The Weber coaches planned exactly as any other staff would do against a young inexpereinced QB. Pressure, pressure, pressure, coming from all different directions and it worked to keep EB# out of a rhythm and second guessing himself. Evidence- second to last drive overthrew receiver and picked off in the end zone. Next and last drive under-throws receiver. He seemed to be pointing the ball rather than just stepping up and throwing it.
Then to make matters worse we had too many dropped balls yesterday. O-line did not do a very good job of handling their d-line. Often times we were just overpowered. I wish we could have gotten the ball to play makers in space which would have kept the defense at bay a little.
I wondered if it would have worked to keep a full backfield with one guy always floating out, depending on pressure, to be open and create some space. Doing that though only leaves three receivers to keep db's back.

This about sums it up.. TE in H back formation was worthless, EB missed the read option the whole game (if he keeps from the 16 late in game, the TE had it blocked into the endzone as an example, DE no where to be found and he handed it off for no gain). Ran one reverse for 12 yards and not sure we brought anyone in motion the whole game, where several fly sweeps or motion would have helped create rushing or passing lanes... Offense wasn't ready. Sometimes coaches can't get out of their own way, like most of us. Haven't seen an injury update, certainly need a week off. A great team rebounds. Every championship team I've been on, had a disappointing loss in the season and beat the same team in the playoff's en route to the trophy. Go Eags.

 

[60s Savage]

Like your "Every championship team I've been on, had a disappointing loss in the season and beat the same team in the playoff's en route to the trophy." Good teams and good coaches improve during the season and playoffs, because each play, each drive, each game, provides educational opportunities on the field and on the sidelines, and subsequently in the facility's "classrooms" and during practice. EB is inexperienced and subject to "distractions" emotional and others, but he's what we have, and he deserves our support and appreciation. Go EB! and Go Eags!

 

[LDopaPDX]

Like your "Every championship team I've been on, had a disappointing loss in the season and beat the same team in the playoff's en route to the trophy." Good teams and good coaches improve during the season and playoffs, because each play, each drive, each game, provides educational opportunities on the field and on the sidelines, and subsequently in the facility's "classrooms" and during practice. EB is inexperienced and subject to "distractions" emotional and others, but he's what we have, and he deserves our support and appreciation. Go EB! and Go Eags!

From what I hear, Eric is a good guy and a good QB. He had a rotten game. He wasn't the only one, but the QB gets the most attention because he has the ball in his hands every play. My guess is it wasn't an issue of being distracted, it was more an issue of quicksand--- one thing goes wrong and things just sort of snowball on you. I have no doubt he'll get better. I have no doubt the entire team will get better.

The coaches need to react strongly to this, but not overreact.

Here's the upside, if we win out, everything is still to play for. We should get most of our guys back in two weeks, including Gage Gubrud. That'll help a lot. FCS teams only have 63 schollies, so when a handful of impact players go down, you can really take a bad turn.

Time for the stretch run.

 

[luckyintheorder]

Like your "Every championship team I've been on, had a disappointing loss in the season and beat the same team in the playoff's en route to the trophy." Good teams and good coaches improve during the season and playoffs, because each play, each drive, each game, provides educational opportunities on the field and on the sidelines, and subsequently in the facility's "classrooms" and during practice. EB is inexperienced and subject to "distractions" emotional and others, but he's what we have, and he deserves our support and appreciation. Go EB! and Go Eags!

He is what the team has and it will be enough given what the coaches now know. Thought they might be actually trying to run the read option with his skill set, but he didn't read it well if so. He was poised at home against SUU, the pressure from Weber certainly skewed the situation as already noted. Managed to drive the ball into scoring position 5 times and hindsight says kick 5 FG's. Know the coaches won't make the same mistakes. Positive take away was a MASSIVE performance from the D. Those dudes played lights out. Looked like every drive had different OL personnel; hope everyone heals up for the stretch run.