Firing Coaches

[Kadeezy]

Glad - you are dead on -in addition to the team meeting, I have come to learn that several star underclassman linebackers and d lineman thinking about leaving. I know in particular that 2 or 3 players already have their feelers out.

Marshall is a known flip-flopper...who ever is last in a conversation to convince him wins. In this case, Ms. Parker met with Marshall on Friday - and Coach O was let go the next morning.

I would also call myself an insider and if everyone on this board really knew how this all went down, my guess would be the support for Marshall and staff would be a little less rah rah...

Also want to apologize to those SDHornet - should not have called you an idiot or insinulated that you smoked pot or worked at 7-11, but you are still clueless around this topic and you don't know what really happened. If you did, you might as hot under the collar as I am (former player and builder of the program). It is really outrageous....

the rat:

to answer your question i spoke with a current player who said sperbeck met with returning lb's and the d line bout the change and they were told the program was going in a different direction. he told me they were all to stunned given the credentials of both baiz and o to ask any questions and left the meeting quiet and suprised.

to all:

lets just say i have an inside scoop on things...

i agree with the statement made about sperbecks personality to control things. He has been that way since he got there. If you date back to gary uribe who was a great well respected coach, was let go cause he didnt wash sperbeck's feet. same with old lb's coach josh brown. All of the remaining coach at this time with no disrespect to them are sperbeck followers. parker is the same way. since he got there he has quickly lost the respect of individuals once he was placed in charge of the d. Did he put a good product on the field this year...yah but those werent his guys those were the maturation of baiz's coaching as well as the rest of the staff. when sperbeck realized who parker was and they began to think about what they could do to make things the way they wanted they made the decisions they did. Sperbeck's lack for character will catch up with him quickly. word of mouth travels quickly especially amongst local players and coaches.

in the end i wish the hornets the best but i think the recent coaching changes are going to haunt them in more ways then they know!

I can't think of any underclassmen "stars" on the DL or LB core...

 

[six_3]

Unfortunately six_3 is someone who is on this board all the time and decided that it was courageous to use a different alias in order to spread their venom. It will pass..... Give it time. I wish the best to Coach O and Coach Baiz and I hope that they have not had to read the venom that is being spread on this board by those who represent their interests. They are stand up guys and would probably be ashamed.

I found this board Sunday morning after hearing the news...

Six_3, I appreciate everything you have put into this program...but the reality is that the football program just won 6 games this season and everyone considered it a smashing success. The culture needs to be changed and unfortunately some of the old guard and their ways of doing things might be upset by it.

We were 10 points away from a 10 win season and scored 17 points on the #4 team in the country. The D Line was #1 in all categories and ranked in the top 5 in several. You don't fire your D Line coach after what is arguably the best performance of any group since Charles Roberts. You don't decide to "go another direction" - Parker is a control freak and feared his job would be in jeopardy (confirmed by many inside sources including players). Marshall, the flip flopper puppet, feared his Boise dream staff would leave and decided to doubled down. Time will tell....but to say your going a different direction after the best coaching and position performance in recent history is a cop out.

 

[SactoHornetAlum]

Unfortunately six_3 is someone who is on this board all the time and decided that it was courageous to use a different alias in order to spread their venom. It will pass..... Give it time. I wish the best to Coach O and Coach Baiz and I hope that they have not had to read the venom that is being spread on this board by those who represent their interests. They are stand up guys and would probably be ashamed.

I found this board Sunday morning after hearing the news...

Six_3, I appreciate everything you have put into this program...but the reality is that the football program just won 6 games this season and everyone considered it a smashing success. The culture needs to be changed and unfortunately some of the old guard and their ways of doing things might be upset by it.

We were 10 points away from a 10 win season and scored 17 points on the #4 team in the country. The D Line was #1 in all categories and ranked in the top 5 in several. You don't fire your D Line coach after what is arguably the best performance of any group since Charles Roberts. You don't decide to "go another direction" - Parker is a control freak and feared his job would be in jeopardy (confirmed by many inside sources including players). Marshall, the flip flopper puppet, feared his Boise dream staff would leave and decided to doubled down. Time will tell....but to say your going a different direction after the best coaching and position performance in recent history is a cop out.

Only time will tell if you are correct. The real travesty about getting canned in college football is that it usually happens during the Christmas season.

 

[Phantom Hornet]

Unfortunately six_3 is someone who is on this board all the time and decided that it was courageous to use a different alias in order to spread their venom. It will pass..... Give it time. I wish the best to Coach O and Coach Baiz and I hope that they have not had to read the venom that is being spread on this board by those who represent their interests. They are stand up guys and would probably be ashamed.

I found this board Sunday morning after hearing the news...

Six_3, I appreciate everything you have put into this program...but the reality is that the football program just won 6 games this season and everyone considered it a smashing success. The culture needs to be changed and unfortunately some of the old guard and their ways of doing things might be upset by it.

We were 10 points away from a 10 win season and scored 17 points on the #4 team in the country. The D Line was #1 in all categories and ranked in the top 5 in several. You don't fire your D Line coach after what is arguably the best performance of any group since Charles Roberts. You don't decide to "go another direction" - Parker is a control freak and feared his job would be in jeopardy (confirmed by many inside sources including players). Marshall, the flip flopper puppet, feared his Boise dream staff would leave and decided to doubled down. Time will tell....but to say your going a different direction after the best coaching and position performance in recent history is a cop out.

At the end of the day, we were still 6-5 with a loss to Davis...It is what it is. Rather than have a potential fight amongst the def coaching staff that could have destroyed the defense next year, Sperbeck decided to cut it off early. It appears he was forced to make a choice and decided to keep the Def coordinator over the line and linebacker coach. We'll see if it pays off.

I don't get the fear that the coaching staff will be like Boise...Isn't that a compliment?

 

[SacHornetFBallFan]

This clearly is an emotional issue that has caught all of us by surprise!! When my son(#79, JO's old number and not by accident) texted the news to me I was stunned. He was bummin big time - he has a ton of respect and admiration for JO and he's on the other side of the ball!!! Definitely sounds like a control/power struggle was taking place and Coach Sperbeck felt he needed to act to quell it. Very very unfortunate for the young men playing. While they'll be some pain and anger in the short term, they'll bounce back and be better for it - just as they did all season long.

My best to HHD, JO, Biaz and Case. I wish them nothing but the success!!!

Go Hornets!!!!!!

 

[SDHornet]

Also want to apologize to those SDHornet - should not have called you an idiot or insinulated that you smoked pot or worked at 7-11, but you are still clueless around this topic and you don't know what really happened. If you did, you might as hot under the collar as I am (former player and builder of the program). It is really outrageous....

Apology accepted. You are right, I don’t know what happened and I never claimed to. All I did was speculate on what could have happened with respect to the changes on the defensive side of the ball last offseason. Feel free to enlighten us all about the details if you want to. As SA also pointed out, we only have one side of the story and I tend to refrain from harsh criticism until more facts and details are known.

It obvious you are very emotional regarding this Hornet program and I understand why you would be so angry, but keep your cool and try not to bite everyone’s head off. It looks like you can provide some valuable info and insight to these board in many different areas and I don’t want to see SHA ban you for some petty name calling. This program just lost two well committed and well respected coaches so emotions are sure to be running hot. I am in no way happy about what happened but you have to understand that I will always support this program and always hope for greater success regardless of what decisions are made.

 

[Green Cookie Monster]

What is wrong with being a control freak? Football is a game of inches and whoever is calling the shots had better be in complete control.

Name a successful football coach who doesnt have complete control. That is what the HC does and it is his right of working up through the football industry to gain the right of HC.

HC is the King and if you have these little fiefdoms popping up challenging the control of the HC then you have anarchy and chaos.

If these fired coaches are running around bashing and demeaning the program, then they never really loved it.

 

[SacHornet]

If these fired coaches are running around bashing and demeaning the program, then they never really loved it.

Sorry but I just cant see coach O or Biaz doing either of those to the program

 

[glad2b-ahornet]

In control and control freak are two completely different ideas. Many affective coaches are able to have such a presence and demeanor about them that demands respect whereas no one discounts their decisions. They are able to do what they need to and most times don't have these situations. For those of you who really know Coach O and Baiz know that these guys are hornets for life and would never do anything detrimental to the program. Sperbeck and Parker are obviously unable to have that sort of presence amongst them to be able to build the program with two of the cornerstones of this program. Its unfortunate that these two were let go and that they aren't going to be able to be a part of the hornet program where ever it may go.

Secondly I agree that this must be a business and not a family however as in any effective organization there must be a sense of trust and good character amongst the entire organization. When this happens you find people performing over their heads and improving because of the buy in they have. Much like Bill Walsh did with the 49ers throughout the 80's. After all you're dealing with people not robots who follow every command. My concern is with the effectiveness of the coaches. Who wants to work and play with a guy that has to watch everything they do and say in fear of being accused of undermining the boss?

Finally, loyalty amongst players in this generation is as important as ever. Kids grow up not being able to trust people and when they find someone they can trust they will die for them. Baiz and O had that presence about them and this is why we seem to be having thoughts about leaving. Now are these players really going to leave? Probably not, but they definitely won't have that intangible of respect and loyalty for their coach namely the two in charge.

 

[Hornet Homer]

Wow! after reading all these posts, I can't believe that HHD, six_3 would be on here posting with reckless accusations and slander. Just two weeks ago, HHD would have been carrying Sperbecks jock around. Anyone who questioned the coaching staff was basically run off this board (ultra homer board). Most posters, HHD included continue blabber about how good we are with a 6 win season. Sperbeck won six in his first season. I know someone who's not happy or satisfied and his name is Marshall. What does he owe the "O" family, his job is on the line too. If you choose to be insubordinate to your boss, Parker, who Sperbeck put ahead of you, then you suffer the consequences. And if the decision has wronged you based on your feeling, go do something about it. Get another job in the Big Sky and we'll see you next season. A coach, or coaches family talking long term, stability, and keeping there family rooted, shouldn't be in college coaching. 6 wins will not get you that. In addition, if are as close to the program as HHD is, you shouldn't be out here in the sea of total BS and speculation.

 

[glad2b-ahornet]

Also to be noted, the program was 11 points away from being 10-1 with the ridiculous amount of season ending injuries.(MBT, Reed, Hendershot, Gordan, Shaw, Peirera, White) Why would someone get rid of a pair of coaches on the verge of being something special? Those games weren't lost due to the coaching effectiveness of Baiz and O, they were lost due to an inability to finish games amongst the players. This is something that will improve with experience and the intangibles of a ball club. It just seems like a step backward when the program was on the verge of something special.

 

[Hornet Homer]

What makes you think we're not on the verge of something special? As I stated, (ultra homer board). You act like we were the only football team in America with injuries. I wish we could cut a few points of our opponents, add a few more for us and we would be 13 and 0 right now and on our way to an FCS championship in Texas.

PS, why did the players have an inability to finish games?

 

[SDHornet]

Relax everyone. Yes this team was close to reaching that next level but I felt like the team overcame the injuries. Ultimately it was mistakes that cost the Hornets. Turnovers and un-timely penalties cost this team time and time again throughout the season. If that can be cleaned up, there is no reason why this program won’t have a BSC championship in 2011. The defense will need to have another solid performance next season as well, with these coaching changes it seems to be a bit of an unknown right now. It’s put up or shut up time. There is no room for excuses as Sperbeck will be in his 5th season.

 

[glad2b-ahornet]

I think having a winning season and being so close in 4 losses and a look at the experience returning is on the verge of something special. Are we satisfied? Not at all but I think Sperbeck's lack of experience of truly building a program due to his background from the juco level of constantly rebuilding every year is showing through. As soon as he realizes that when people make that lifelong connection with a program, they become fans, donators, etc., it will carry him alot further. He's got to stop using people like pawns.

Of course every team has injuries but how many have their starting qb, starting wr's, starting safety, starting de, role playing de, and a bounce back rb with promise get knocked out the way they did? Also to be noted that no one on the outside looking in will notice the leadership abilities these players had that wasn't able to be put on display to get the team over the hump and win those close ball games. Also look at the players who stepped up in the midst of injury showing promise for the future. (Often times young inexperienced players)

Finally, 13-0? Come one lets be real. Stanford is a heck of a ball club, only losing in a shoot out to the most prolific offense in the country right now. We need to be focusing in on conference wins and taking small steps to success.

Rome wasn't built in a day....

 

[SacHornet]

Lets just face the facts, two lifetime hornets were fired .... Ok most of us dont like it, I especially dont like the firing of Coach O, but whats done is done..... Now the real question is who Sperbeck is going to bring in to replace them? Thats what im curious to see

 

[HornetHope]

I do not like this anymore than anyone else, but have had a chance to think about it. There is always 3 sides to a story, your side, their side and the truth. We do not know the facts here, and we all have speculated and have had hearsay. I will say this as someone who runs a business, if you are not pulling with me, you are pulling against me, and it is my rope.

Sperbeck thinks this is the best, and he made the decision. As HC, he stands or falls by that decision. We may move forward or we may take a step backwards, but either way, we cannot go back and change what has been done. If it fails, our program suffers.

SD thanks for keeping a level head. I think for all concerned we need to step back and take a breath.

 

[Phantom Hornet]

I do not like this anymore than anyone else, but have had a chance to think about it. There is always 3 sides to a story, your side, their side and the truth. We do not know the facts here, and we all have speculated and have had hearsay. I will say this as someone who runs a business, if you are not pulling with me, you are pulling against me, and it is my rope.

Sperbeck thinks this is the best, and he made the decision. As HC, he stands or falls by that decision. We may move forward or we may take a step backwards, but either way, we cannot go back and change what has been done. If it fails, our program suffers.

SD thanks for keeping a level head. I think for all concerned we need to step back and take a breath.

Perfect take...Listen, the coaching unit needs to be as one to have any kind of success...If there is infighting between a coordinator and his staff, then it needs to be resolved--sooner rather than later. And nine times out of ten the defensive coordinator is going to win that battle over the d-line and linebackers coach.

Its just the way it is. Whether it works out or not will probably determine Sperbeck's job.

 

[Green Laser]

Sorry to hear of all the uproar concerning the coaching staff especially after what was a very positive season for the program. I do not personally know any of the coaches involved but as a alum and fan I appreciate and respect their contributions to the improvement of the program. I have enjoyed watching the product of their hard work and commitment.
I have over 30 years coaching experience at the high school level (not football) along with a stint as athletic director and have been through similar situations.
Coaching tends to attract highly competitive people with very strong personalities. When these personalities are able to work in unison and share a common vision or goal, its magic. When there is dissension, distrust, jealousy, different agendas etc. or when the coaches simply don’t get along it is a nightmare. This situation is not uncommon on coaching staffs.
Often such situations cause the team to break into fractions and completely destroy team morale and focus. This type of situation it is never pretty, it is the responsibility of Head Coach to defend his program and to make whatever moves he feels are in the best interest of the program. This seems to be more of a clash of personalities than a coaching issue. Apparently Coach Sperbeck felt that this was his best option to restore peace and unity to the program. Good luck in the future to all the coaches involved.

 

[superhornet]

Wow! after reading all these posts, I can't believe that HHD, six_3 would be on here posting with reckless accusations and slander.

HHD did no such thing. He came on here taking the high road in this situation.

 

[BOOOOOSACSTATE]

I am a long time Sac State supporter. I support more than just football and loved the sport programs here. I must say that I have never posted on this board because I try to refrain from giving opinions that do not have any meat to them. I will no longer be supporting any of the programs. To see how they treated JO absolutely makes me sick. They promised him that his job was secure and that he was a go for the next season. They asked him to make a long term commitment and he gave everything to that program. This is just the wrong way to do BUSINESS. You do not want all you coaches second guessing every move they make because Sperbeck might whack them if they do not see eye to eye. I know that there was some turmoil in the program but JO was not the cause and definately willing to check his opinion at the door and do what was best for the program. I must say that I do not wish ill on any of the other programs but I hope that football fails miserably and both Sperbeck and Boise Boy get booted.