sacstateman
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webergrad02 said:
I agree completely..
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I agree completely..
webergrad02 said:
Maybe/Maybe not...go ahead & poll...I for one would like EWU (although admit they are slipping a bit right now), but wish they'd turn it around and peak to win the tourney, as at their best, Eagles would be strongest BSC representative in the NCAA, in my humble opinion. Fear a Round One (play-in) NCAA game for the Big Sky Champ no matter what, though.
Looking more and more likely that the winner of the Sky will be playing a play in game. Only way that doesn't happen if Eastern wins it all. Eastern's win over Indiana is the best win in the conference this season and would go a long way in helping the conference's representative in the dance get a "2nd" round match-up. Maybe even end up being a 15 seed instead of a 16. I think if Sac were to win it, they might get away from the play in game as well, but we probably end up being a 16. Anyone else gets a play in. Montana, since they have been so successful as of late might be able to pull off a 15 or 16. We will just have to see. Personally, I think only Eastern can get a seed better than 16 this season.
SWWeatherCat
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talhadfoursteals said:
You mean successful like this?
http://www.sbnation.com/college-bas...acuse-2013-march-madness-bracket-second-round
SWWeatherCat said:
Yes they got smashed, and it really sucked watching them get smashed. Weber wouldn't have done much better against the Cuse in that scenario. I still feel the Cats were the better team that season, but didn't take care of business like the Griz were able to do. However, we did play till April...
As for UM...because they got smashed last time in the Dance, that is a solid reason why they won't get anything better than a 15seed, but they have been in the tournament quite a bit lately. More so than us.
Cats meow!
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Does Weber really not have a bigs coach? Who is responsible for developing our bigs? That's a major weakness and we redshirted a big this year to prepare him for the next 4 years....... Who's responsible for his development? Is that why Bolomboy doesn't have post moves and relies solely on strength? If he figures out how to beat a double team........
This explains a lot. Watching Bolomboy and Hajek play is like watching kids in High School........ Hard to blame them if the coaching staff isn't executing. I thought Weber had a reputation for developing players.....?
This explains a lot. Watching Bolomboy and Hajek play is like watching kids in High School........ Hard to blame them if the coaching staff isn't executing. I thought Weber had a reputation for developing players.....?
catscratched
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There are a lot of misguided posters in this thread. They don't have a small man coach, a middle sized man coach, a big man coach, a shooters coach, a free throw coach, a dribbling coach, a passing coach, a defensive coach, a zone coach, a rebounding coach, a sitting on the bench coach, an offensive coach, a freshman coach, a sophomore coach, a transfer coach, an academic coach, a leadership coach, or any other kind of obscure coach you can think up. We just have basketball coaches and they all coach basketball; all aspects of basketball, not one single aspect of the game. It isn't like football, where there are enough assistant coaches to have specific position assignments. As a matter of fact, over the years, I have heard many coaches make private jokes about fans who make those kind of statements or ask those kind of questions.
Please, at least pretend like you have a clue. :stir:
Please, at least pretend like you have a clue. :stir:
Midmajor??
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The joke is on you! Teams do have bigs coaches and they function quite well! There's a lot to learn from coaches that actually played the position. The jokes the coaches are making is on them! Your post is about the dumbest I've ever seen! The bigs coach is an integral part of the program....... Maybe that's why we are getting killed inside! Maybe you should ask Larry K at Utah! Coaches serve numerous roles in programs. At Weber they split responsibilities for academics, but there are coaches that specialize in certain areas.its like someone trying to teach you a foreign language that they never learned! :wtf:catscratched said:
Cats meow!
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catscratched said:
I don't know who told you that, but they made you look like a fool! No they do have specific coaches for each area, but coaches are given areas of responsibility. You do have coaches responsible for the development and performance of various positions. You want a coach responsible for how your bigs perform within the system. I hope very much that it wasn't Weber coaches who told you this crap! Geez! :rofl: :rofl:
catscratched
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What you should do is attend a coaches lunch and ask them that question. Even better, attend a couple of practices and see for yourself what is being taught and who is teaching it.
I'm not just telling you what I have heard from one set of coaches and not just WSU coaches. One thing that they have done is send selected players to camps that specialize in positional skills. They incorporate those training strategies and drills into their regular practice routines. However, the coach conducting those drills can be any one of them.
The other, ridiculous, thing that has been bantered about is that it takes a big man to coach a big man. I guess that is why Duke and Kentucky have 7' coaches on their bench.
a couple of you guys are seriously screwed up. :wall:
I'm not just telling you what I have heard from one set of coaches and not just WSU coaches. One thing that they have done is send selected players to camps that specialize in positional skills. They incorporate those training strategies and drills into their regular practice routines. However, the coach conducting those drills can be any one of them.
The other, ridiculous, thing that has been bantered about is that it takes a big man to coach a big man. I guess that is why Duke and Kentucky have 7' coaches on their bench.
a couple of you guys are seriously screwed up. :wall:
Well crap...I must be seriously screwed up then! Catscratch I appreciate most of your posts but you are definitely on the short end of the stick on this comment. I do agree with you that a guard can be an excellent bigs coach and vice versa. Good coaches know how to coach each position. It might not be the bigs coach. It might be our current bigs. They don't really match the system. Rahe has primarily used posts who can play with their backs to the basket and can hit a 15' jumper. Bolomboy isn't that style but he is w freak player and I'm glad we have him. Problem is is that Hajek due to injury, hasn't really been able to develop. So a major key to Rahes offense is missing and now we end up playing with a stretch 5. Other issue...Joel doesn't have good ball handling skills. In the past our bigs have been competent or above average taking care of the ball. Yes...we desperately miss Tres and yes Beckner was a major factor that isn't on the bench.
Final thought, at a luncheon...since the bigs have really struggled, coach isn't going to point fingers or name names. He won't sell one of his assistants down the river. He will protect them with coach speak.
SWWeatherCat
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catscratched said:
:wtf: It's plainly obvious that Weber does not have a coach who's responsibilities consists of developing bigs but many, many teams have "Bigs Coaches."
It may not take a former big to coach/develop a big but you seriously can't think that would be most beneficial. I don't EVER hear of an NBA team bringing a former PG in to help with the bigs but it's not uncommon at all for a former big to be consulted to do the same. :dunce:
SWWeatherCat said:
Let's not make assumptions...... Weber must have a coach with the responsibility of developing the skills of our bigs right? We are a successful D1 program and there's no doubt that Rahe knows that developing Bigs is integral to the future of our program! I thought the reason for redshirting Braxton was to give him time to develop. I'm sure that Smiley, Duft or Lever are responsible for making sure he's ready to go!
hno: This is the simple stuff! Old's can you verify that there's someone at Weber who has the skills to develop the post skills of our bigs...... Please! :yikes:
It's my understanding that each coach has different areas of responsibility. I'm not sure which coach works with the bigs, but they do have a coach that focuses on the development of the Bigs. My concern is that I've not seen a ton of improvement in that area this year.
It's not unusual to get these questions when a team is having a losing season and looks as bad as we have. I still say the key is to use a Mook or Trez when he returns from Spain to aid in the development of the bigs. It also couldn't hurt to have Stu critique some things next season. You also have Thurl Bailey in SLC. I saw him at the Dee watching his son this week!
Use the resources that you have available......... :twocents:
It's not unusual to get these questions when a team is having a losing season and looks as bad as we have. I still say the key is to use a Mook or Trez when he returns from Spain to aid in the development of the bigs. It also couldn't hurt to have Stu critique some things next season. You also have Thurl Bailey in SLC. I saw him at the Dee watching his son this week!
Use the resources that you have available......... :twocents:
heyoh22
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Take a look at the coaches on Utah's bench. Beside Larry K, he has Phil Cullen as an assistant, 6'11" former Utah player that played basketball and was a pitcher, drafted to majors. Safe bet that he works with the Utes bigs!
Like with many things, having the experience doing something helps if you are teaching or training. Big guys are harder to find and many schools just do not have a coach on staff that has played that position.
Webergrad02
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catscratched said:
Catscratched, I think these two posts have lowered your fan board RPI. Of course teams have bigs coaches and many times they are bigs themselves.
I love the idea of getting Mook on the staff. He was the kind of player I would love to see our bigs evolve into. I know he is till in the area. I have heard reports of him terrorizing the South Ogden rec ball league.
WSUfan4ever
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Mycats said:SWWeatherCat said:
Let's not make assumptions...... Weber must have a coach with the responsibility of developing the skills of our bigs right? We are a successful D1 program and there's no doubt that Rahe knows that developing Bigs is integral to the future of our program! I thought the reason for redshirting Braxton was to give him time to develop. I'm sure that Smiley, Duft or Lever are responsible for making sure he's ready to go!
This is the simple stuff! Old's can you verify that there's someone at Weber who has the skills to develop the post skills of our bigs...... Please! :yikes:
Coach Duft is responsible for the bigs
SWWeatherCat
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Well, if that's true, then it speaks volumes.
oldrunner
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The fact of the matter is that all of WSUs coaches are responsible for the skill development of all of the players. All of the coaches are expected to have an, in depth, knowledge of the skills it takes to play all of the positions. With that said, coaches are given areas to concentrate on. Those areas can change from season to season, or even practice to practice. To single one coach out and say that they are responsible for a player not developing the skills needed for a position, would be totally wrong. I guess, if you must assign blame, put it on the head coach. The head coach is ultimately responsible for the whole program.
My personal opinion is that it's a team issue. I would say it's about 70% players and 30% coaching. The right players can make a coach look like really good. The wrong players can make you look bad. I could be a little high with that 30%.
My personal opinion is that it's a team issue. I would say it's about 70% players and 30% coaching. The right players can make a coach look like really good. The wrong players can make you look bad. I could be a little high with that 30%.
