Future needs for Weber State Basketball

[Midmajor??]

I'm watching Creighton..... Top team last year..... Less than .500 this year and 4 wins in the Big East!
Lost their best player and are now rebuilding!

They still look like they're going to be a good team next year. I guess my frustration is that we still look disjointed at this late stage of the season. Let's hope these last 3 conference games gives us something to look forward to next year!

 

[SWWeatherCat]

The fact of the matter is that all of WSUs coaches are responsible for the skill development of all of the players. All of the coaches are expected to have an, in depth, knowledge of the skills it takes to play all of the positions. With that said, coaches are given areas to concentrate on. Those areas can change from season to season, or even practice to practice. To single one coach out and say that they are responsible for a player not developing the skills needed for a position, would be totally wrong. I guess, if you must assign blame, put it on the head coach. The head coach is ultimately responsible for the whole program.

My personal opinion is that it's a team issue. I would say it's about 70% players and 30% coaching. The right players can make a coach look like really good. The wrong players can make you look bad. I could be a little high with that 30%.

Then maybe they're taking the wrong approach since it shouldn't be uncommon for periods of practice to be divided between post players and guards to work more intensely on position skills and development. I totally get that as a basketball player the more skills you have and are proficient with will make you a better player, but let's face it, a 6'10" post player will benefit more from developing post related skills than ball handling and 3pt shooting. Speaking of 3pt shooting, I'd love to see some toughness, aggressive boxing out, footwork, and better overall post presence from Weber's bigs instead of having them jump out to the 3pt line! Instead of practicing 3's maybe the bigs could join the guards in learning how to handle pressure and pass out of a double-team, and for heaven's sake, not pass into one.

My personal opinion is that college players, especially those playing at a mid-major, BSC school, have a real need to be coached well and developed. Maybe Rahe's paycheck is too high if less than 30% of his profession matters to the team. I see player/coaching easily a 50/50 split, even more so with younger, inexperienced teams. Having talent isn't enough. I think this team has plenty of talent, they need to have quality coaching and development, with expertise in different positions.

 

[oldrunner]

I agree with you that, at our level, coaching plays a greater role than at the highest levels of basketball. 50% coaching is too high unless you add in the recruiting aspects.

I have watched many, many practices and can tell you that they practice boxing out until players are too injured to do it any more. I have watched players develop a proficiency in practice and then fail to do it in a game. The coaches are emphasizing it enough, coaching it properly, practicing it to the point of injury, and players are still not taking it to the game. I don't see how you can put that on the coaches. I have seen that same theme play out with defensive positioning, setting screens, using screens, post moves, and passing out of the double team.

The failures we are seeing is not coming from any deficiency in coaching.

 

[WSUfan4ever]

The fact of the matter is that all of WSUs coaches are responsible for the skill development of all of the players. All of the coaches are expected to have an, in depth, knowledge of the skills it takes to play all of the positions. With that said, coaches are given areas to concentrate on. Those areas can change from season to season, or even practice to practice. To single one coach out and say that they are responsible for a player not developing the skills needed for a position, would be totally wrong. I guess, if you must assign blame, put it on the head coach. The head coach is ultimately responsible for the whole program.

My personal opinion is that it's a team issue. I would say it's about 70% players and 30% coaching. The right players can make a coach look like really good. The wrong players can make you look bad. I could be a little high with that 30%.

That's a sad commentary on our players then. If the coaches are truly grinding this in and the players can't do a better job in games. Say what you want but coach Duft spends almost all his time working the bigs when they do individual workouts. He is the one who works the bigs in pre-game warm ups. Granted Coach Rahe has ultimate responsibility and perhaps he should spend more time in this capacity.

 

[sacstateman]

If you get honest you only have one big and he is a great rebounder and an average offensive player.......other than that you have no one who plays like a big...

 

[Itiger]

The fact of the matter is that all of WSUs coaches are responsible for the skill development of all of the players. All of the coaches are expected to have an, in depth, knowledge of the skills it takes to play all of the positions. With that said, coaches are given areas to concentrate on. Those areas can change from season to season, or even practice to practice. To single one coach out and say that they are responsible for a player not developing the skills needed for a position, would be totally wrong. I guess, if you must assign blame, put it on the head coach. The head coach is ultimately responsible for the whole program.

My personal opinion is that it's a team issue. I would say it's about 70% players and 30% coaching. The right players can make a coach look like really good. The wrong players can make you look bad. I could be a little high with that 30%.

That's a sad commentary on our players then. If the coaches are truly grinding this in and the players can't do a better job in games. Say what you want but coach Duft spends almost all his time working the bigs when they do individual workouts. He is the one who works the bigs in pre-game warm ups. Granted Coach Rahe has ultimate responsibility and perhaps he should spend more time in this capacity.

Duft is responsible for the Bigs, but does not handle development work for Bolomboy. I know...... Strange but true!

 

[WSUProf]

If you get honest you only have one big and he is a great rebounder and an average offensive player.......other than that you have no one who plays like a big...

precisely. Bolomboy again leads the conference in rebounding, but he simply lacks the offensive skills that Tresnak had. No amount of development by the coaches will change that fact. He has improved, but he started out with hardly any offensive game at all.

 

[n.ogdencat]

Weber needs efficient ball handlers. I haven't heard if it is a done deal yet or not, but I really hope we get to see this guy in Ogden.

http://saddlebackgauchos.com/sports/mbkb/2014-15/players/dustybakerhrzi?view=gamelog" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[sacstateman]

Weber needs efficient ball handlers. I haven't heard if it is a done deal yet or not, but I really hope we get to see this guy in Ogden.

http://saddlebackgauchos.com/sports/mbkb/2014-15/players/dustybakerhrzi?view=gamelog" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

From what I've heard out here it is a done deal....

 

[SWeberCat02]

Weber needs efficient ball handlers. I haven't heard if it is a done deal yet or not, but I really hope we get to see this guy in Ogden.

http://saddlebackgauchos.com/sports/mbkb/2014-15/players/dustybakerhrzi?view=gamelog" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

From what I've heard out here it is a done deal....

If that's the case, at least three scholarships will be ripped. Who is "counseled" out? I'm sure Van Pelt won't be back, or at least not with a scholarship. Sure wish Johnson-Coston and Golden were gone, but for some reason the coaching staff thinks Golden is a starting type player.

 

[n.ogdencat]

Weber needs efficient ball handlers. I haven't heard if it is a done deal yet or not, but I really hope we get to see this guy in Ogden.

http://saddlebackgauchos.com/sports/mbkb/2014-15/players/dustybakerhrzi?view=gamelog" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

From what I've heard out here it is a done deal....

Sweet!! He is a good kid. How did you hear? Reminds me a lot of my favorite player in the Big Sky. Dylan Garrity...By the way, get that win in Cedar!! I don't want to go to Missoula!!

 

[Midmajor??]

Just read the following tweet:

Coach Larry K says that Stew Morrill taught him a lot of post moves at Montana. "We used to Play one on one , and I almost fought my coach sometimes"

Thats the kind of post development we need at Weber. The stretch 5 thing is just counter to common sense.

 

[PURPLEFORLIFE]

Randy's worst seasons are when he has a stretch 5.

 

[WSUProf]

Just read the following tweet:

Coach Larry K says that Stew Morrill taught him a lot of post moves at Montana. "We used to Play one on one , and I almost fought my coach sometimes"

Thats the kind of post development we need at Weber. The stretch 5 thing is just counter to common sense.

Not everyone, just because they are 6'9" or taller can be a good low post player, no matter how much development they get. You could see that Tresnak had the capacity to develop into a low post threat early in his freshman year. Bolomboy doesn't have the same capacity. But if he can hit an occasional 3, make use of it -- especially against man defenses.

 

[oldrunner]

One of our best low post players ever was Germain Boyette at 6'2''. Another really good one was Charles Caradyne at 6'3''. I could go on and on naming low post players who were undersized, but effective. Size is only a minimal factor in learning to play with your back to the basket. Braxton is a low post player. Bolomboy is more of a high post/stretch 4 kind of player. It's going to make a world of difference having them play side by side next year. It will also make a world of difference having two or more players who can shoot well from the outside, in the game at all times. :thumb: :thumb:

 

[Da Bears]

One of our best low post players ever was Germain Boyette at 6'2''. Another really good one was Charles Caradyne at 6'3''. I could go on and on naming low post players who were undersized, but effective. Size is only a minimal factor in learning to play with your back to the basket. Braxton is a low post player. Bolomboy is more of a high post/stretch 4 kind of player. It's going to make a world of difference having them play side by side next year. It will also make a world of difference having two or more players who can shoot well from the outside, in the game at all times. :thumb: :thumb:

Olds you have my respect, but 6'2" in the low post is just nuts. I understand what you're trying to say, but that's just ludicrous...... Just as crazy as having Joel play 5! If I remember correctly you argued that he would be fine and had all the low post moves needed. It's been a disaster. This small ball thing was a formula for failure and ruined our whole year. We need to get back to Weber state basketball! I'm tired of getting punked inside in every single game. You can look how Coston might have the weight, but not the height and looking like an elf inside..... Let's stop all the crazy strategies and get back to bringing pain to everyone that waltzes through the paint!

 

[oldrunner]

I was really talking only of offense. Defense is a whole different story. Superman was the best offensive post player we had while he was here. However, he couldn't defend bigger players in the paint. He was too small. He would guard someone his own size.

To me, our biggest problems this year have been on the defensive side of the ball. We haven't been able to guard anyone in the paint and that has made it harder to guard the perimeter as well. I am hoping that changes next year. If it doesn't, it could be another long year.

 

[Itiger]

I was really talking only of offense. Defense is a whole different story. Superman was the best offensive post player we had while he was here. However, he couldn't defend bigger players in the paint. He was too small. He would guard someone his own size.

To me, our biggest problems this year have been on the defensive side of the ball. We haven't been able to guard anyone in the paint and that has made it harder to guard the perimeter as well. I am hoping that changes next year. If it doesn't, it could be another long year.

Wrong to blame olds for the Bolomboy experiment. He was just passing on comments from the coaches. I think not having a viable big hurt us on defense and offense. Joel had too many turnovers and struggled with the double teams. I'm looking forward to not just having a low post scoring option, but watching Joel get easy dunks due to interior passing which just isn't there this season. I know a lot of people on this board felt that the 4 and 5 position was interchangeable. I hope now everyone understands that the 5 is the anchor of your team. If he's nasty it has a positive impact on offensive and defense.
I'm looking forward to getting back to a dominant inside presence. That's going to have a positive impact on our stagnant offense.