HALF TIME FROM OGDEN

[ncaafootball]

15 ZIPP AT HALF TIME FAVOR OF WILDCATS

BUT NOT SO FAST, MY FRIENDS

THANK YOU DEFENSE FOR THE COUPLE OF PICKS, AND THANK YOU SAC STATE FOR BEING SUCH A SAC OF #$%*
I have seen better JC's

Finally a little Tempo from the offense, Finally a little of creativity with the throw to the QB. But we still have problems on offense. I didn't have confidence in our QB but now it has become obvious, the QB has absolutely no finesse or touch. Every throw he makes he winds up as hard as he can and just throws it hard, QB needs to learn a little touch and a little up and down on his ball. He will be a great pitcher on summer baseball team but he will never be worth a ^$^%$ if he can't develop some touch.

WSU running is a joke, a really bad joke, what they are averaging per play per rush has to be the worst in college football.

Last but not least is that we were 1 of 30 on for 3rd down conversions for the season at one point during this game. That means we have a 3% chance of getting a first down on a 3rd down situation. If you don't think that has a major impact on how defenses scheme against WSU, we are in for a long season. This one stat tells us the OC at WSU is horrible. I said shoot him the first game, hand him the second game, and for this first half put him in the electric chair.

Another game where we are running the running back as a wideout and Sac State is having none of it and shutting it down like the last 2 games.

Congrats to our field goal kicker, didn't know you had it in you.

Denby, are you ever going to field a punt return as our punt returner.

Devonte, great catch on the punt team and downing it on the 3 yard line.

Nice to see the offense on the field instead of the defense being on the field all game. Defense should be fresh for the second quarter

 

[wsucatfan]

Last but not least is that we were 1 of 30 on for 3rd down conversions for the season at one point during this game. That means we have a 3% chance of getting a first down on a 3rd down situation. If you don't think that has a major impact on how defenses scheme against WSU, we are in for a long season. This one stat tells us the OC at WSU is horrible. I said shoot him the first game, hang him the second game, and for this first half put him in the electric chair.

I think we all agree that the offense needs to improve. But I think you can drop coming up with different ways to execute the offensive coordinator, it's getting lame and just a tad excessive, even calling for him to be fired at this point is still premature. If he had a seasoned QB running the system and they still were unable to move the ball that would be a different isssue. Clark is not a good QB yet (will he ever???) so lets assume that the OC has to dial down the plays to work with the players he has. Loved the reverse, receiver pass QB TD though!

 

[oldmrbigsky]

amen to that…though he brings it on himself

lets get a QB rotation going as we get behind again…even better-have a live fire tryout flip a coin, DO SOMETHING.

to whomever said "hey we won" please stop.

"they were who we thought they were…"

in this case Sac St. even looked worse than we thought. in order to improve we need to look at what we can improve personnel and play calling wise and work with it. not quit on it and throw 20 quicks

but i feel negative again because we simply didn't execute an offense-we just out kicked a turnover machine for a win.

ill take it but am not certain that will help us get to more wins against quality opponents.

 

[baller]

I have repeatedly said that we need a QB coach who can coach-up a quarterback. That doesn't seem to be happening in the case of Clark. Yet he seems to have the skills necessary to build off of. He has been in the system for 2.5 years and has improved only marginally. From last year to this year he hasn't improved at all despite the experience he has added. Weber's problem in the passing game is that they don't have good timing between Clark and his receivers. He repeatedly holds the ball too long and throws at the wrong times. I say it is coaching based. There are very few coaches who really know how to take a diamond in the rough QB and turn him into a diamond. Some are better than others at it. Our coach seems to me to be below average at this. Weber is not going to attract a QB who is already a polished product. They have to get the "diamond in the rough" and coach him up if they are to have a QB who can make a difference. Until they do this they are going to have a tough time winning at a high level. I think they can get to 500 without a top-notch QB, but not much beyond there. The same problem existed in the Mac era. But in that case there was very little player development at any position.

Bovee needs to focus on this type of analysis when he hires a head coach. He seems to be good at selecting good people and in the case of Hill he picked a young, dynamic and upbeat guy. A guy who can recruit and is a leader of his people. But what about an ability to analyze a assistant coach's skills and find one that brings good player development skills. In the case of "assistants", player development skill is the most important attribute they can bring.

In the case of "coordinators" it is the skill to see the big picture, design a system that makes the most of the skills possessed by players and a scheme that is productive in games. The verdict about whether the current "coordinators" have these skill sets is still out!

 

[thewaterboy]

15 ZIPP AT HALF TIME FAVOR OF WILDCATS

BUT NOT SO FAST, MY FRIENDS

THANK YOU DEFENSE FOR THE COUPLE OF PICKS, AND THANK YOU SAC STATE FOR BEING SUCH A SAC OF #$%*
I have seen better JC's

Finally a little Tempo from the offense, Finally a little of creativity with the throw to the QB. But we still have problems on offense. I didn't have confidence in our QB but now it has become obvious, the QB has absolutely no finesse or touch. Every throw he makes he winds up as hard as he can and just throws it hard, QB needs to learn a little touch and a little up and down on his ball. He will be a great pitcher on summer baseball team but he will never be worth a ^$^%$ if he can't develop some touch.

WSU running is a joke, a really bad joke, what they are averaging per play per rush has to be the worst in college football.

Last but not least is that we were 1 of 30 on for 3rd down conversions for the season at one point during this game. That means we have a 3% chance of getting a first down on a 3rd down situation. If you don't think that has a major impact on how defenses scheme against WSU, we are in for a long season. This one stat tells us the OC at WSU is horrible. I said shoot him the first game, hand him the second game, and for this first half put him in the electric chair.

Another game where we are running the running back as a wideout and Sac State is having none of it and shutting it down like the last 2 games.

Congrats to our field goal kicker, didn't know you had it in you.

Denby, are you ever going to field a punt return as our punt returner.

Devonte, great catch on the punt team and downing it on the 3 yard line.

Nice to see the offense on the field instead of the defense being on the field all game. Defense should be fresh for the second quarter

After reading all of your posts from week to week, I just have to ask why all the negativity? This level of football isn't exactly the New England Patriots. As much as we all hate it, this team is still rebuilding from the John L fiasco. Every kid that sees the field is playing his butt off. These kids work damn hard in practice day in and day out, Give this program some time and they will be near the top of the Big Sky again. I do appreciate your insights, but calling for coaches to be executed, and calling for certain players heads is downright wrong. :twocents:

 

[AlumniWSU]

I have repeatedly said that we need a QB coach who can coach-up a quarterback. That doesn't seem to be happening in the case of Clark. Yet he seems to have the skills necessary to build off of. He has been in the system for 2.5 years and has improved only marginally. From last year to this year he hasn't improved at all despite the experience he has added. Weber's problem in the passing game is that they don't have good timing between Clark and his receivers. He repeatedly holds the ball too long and throws at the wrong times. I say it is coaching based. There are very few coaches who really know how to take a diamond in the rough QB and turn him into a diamond. Some are better than others at it. Our coach seems to me to be below average at this. Weber is not going to attract a QB who is already a polished product. They have to get the "diamond in the rough" and coach him up if they are to have a QB who can make a difference. Until they do this they are going to have a tough time winning at a high level. I think they can get to 500 without a top-notch QB, but not much beyond there. The same problem existed in the Mac era. But in that case there was very little player development at any position.

Bovee needs to focus on this type of analysis when he hires a head coach. He seems to be good at selecting good people and in the case of Hill he picked a young, dynamic and upbeat guy. A guy who can recruit and is a leader of his people. But what about an ability to analyze a assistant coach's skills and find one that brings good player development skills. In the case of "assistants", player development skill is the most important attribute they can bring.

In the case of "coordinators" it is the skill to see the big picture, design a system that makes the most of the skills possessed by players and a scheme that is productive in games. The verdict about whether the current "coordinators" have these skill sets is still out!

Agree, but there isn't a defensive coordinator currently, correct? HC Hill is covering the vacancy, probably to save some $$, & it could perhaps mean most of his focus is on the defense. Coach Clark seems average to poor as the OC & is there a QBs assistant coach? Tough to lure a proven good assistant coach on a small FCS program budget & if luckily done, the assistant is soon grabbed up by a FBS program (like McGiven from McBride's staff). :twocents:

 

[baller]

So if there is no money for a QB position coach the OC must take up the slack, he must have the skill to develop a QB. We are severely lacking in this area...

 

[wsucatfan]

So if there is no money for a QB position coach the OC must take up the slack, he must have the skill to develop a QB. We are severely lacking in this area...

Until the OC has one of his recruits running the offense I'll give him a somewhat of a pass. He has to work with the players he has and if Clark is what he is and little more then it wouldn't matter if Urban Meyer was his coach.

 

[baller]

I submit the possibility that the coaching staff thought they had good enough QB's and didn't making recruiting another QB a top priority. Surely the staff knew that Hilinski wasn't the answer. If they didn't know before they brought him in that he wasn't the answer, it is an even greater argument in favor of the idea that the staff is not qualified in this area. I saw Hilinski practice one time and could tell that he wasn't in the same league with either Green or Clark. Actually the best passing QB they have in the fold now is the freshman. If one of the top three QB's don't soon step up and show that they can win against anyone but the bottom of the league I would be coaching the freshman up to take his shot later in the season. Bottom line is that either: (1) the staff is not capable/experienced enough to find a diamond in the rough in their recruiting or (2) they can't polish a diamond. There has been plenty of time for them to work with Green and Clark and coach them up to a higher level. They haven't... So what does that tell you?

 

[WSUfan1]

I still think that Green can lead this team to more victories. Yes, he had some costly turnovers, but heck, he threw for like almost 2000 yards in only 8 games. Green is true QB, while Clark is a Tim Tebow time runner and passer. I still think that Green needs his chance to play in a game. His touch is much better than Clarks. Clark just throws everything long and high... :twocents:

 

[ncaafootball]

I didn't think it was that negative. We have people referring to John L and other coaches like they killed the program at WSU. I don't like what they did, however that is on the athletic director hiring a bunch of bone heads who were willing to take the next flight out of town for any other school they could find. It wasn't that long ago that Utah State's football program was in disarray, how soon all of us in the Cache valley forgets. However, they hired the right coach that had a commitment of a few years to turnaround the program and they game Gary the resources to do it. I am assuming that Hill wants the same, otherwise why leave a Pac 12 school. However in every case of watching a college turnaround of a program, significant results begin to show through in year 2! Not year 4 or 5! Their is a lot of things that we can talk about but one we can't get back is time. If WSU is weak in places on the roster than get proven JC's that can fill the gaps immeidately and can make an impact of building a winning program. Just like Gary A. did at Utah state. WSU recruited 4 freshman receivers this year and 3 out 4 of them are a major bust! This program can't wait for them to red shirt and mature in 3 years. The lack of urgency with the program and the coaches is my major concern. It the program and recruiting was truly dissimated by John L and everyone else, all the more need to bring in the proven transfers. So, no I don't plan on taking my foot off the pressure on the Coaches and the Players. I hope no one feels we are out of the wood shed because we beat Sac S&%$. SAC ST was one of the worst teams I have seen this season, there is a reason their coach was fired from WSU.

 

[thewaterboy]

I didn't think it was that negative. We have people referring to John L and other coaches like they killed the program at WSU. I don't like what they did, however that is on the athletic director hiring a bunch of bone heads who were willing to take the next flight out of town for any other school they could find. It wasn't that long ago that Utah State's football program was in disarray, how soon all of us in the Cache valley forgets. However, they hired the right coach that had a commitment of a few years to turnaround the program and they game Gary the resources to do it. I am assuming that Hill wants the same, otherwise why leave a Pac 12 school. However in every case of watching a college turnaround of a program, significant results begin to show through in year 2! Not year 4 or 5! Their is a lot of things that we can talk about but one we can't get back is time. If WSU is weak in places on the roster than get proven JC's that can fill the gaps immeidately and can make an impact of building a winning program. Just like Gary A. did at Utah state. WSU recruited 4 freshman receivers this year and 3 out 4 of them are a major bust! This program can't wait for them to red shirt and mature in 3 years. The lack of urgency with the program and the coaches is my major concern. It the program and recruiting was truly dissimated by John L and everyone else, all the more need to bring in the proven transfers. So, no I don't plan on taking my foot off the pressure on the Coaches and the Players. I hope no one feels we are out of the wood shed because we beat Sac S&%$. SAC ST was one of the worst teams I have seen this season, there is a reason their coach was fired from WSU.

Jay Hill was hired on the premise that he would build this program from the ground up by bringing in mostly local high school players where they can red shirt a year, grow and learn in the system. The current administration didn't wan't the quick fix Junior College approach. Just because an incoming freshman red shirts a year doesn't mean he is a bust. It's all part of their blueprint to build a program that can be successful for the long term, not just the near future.

 

[n.ogdencat]

I think it is wise to be able to bring in kids who can red shirt and have another year to mature physically and to acclimatize to the college game. We don't really need any WRs playing who are freshman, so in that instance, you let your good recruits red shirt and get better.

NCAA I like your stuff man, but I've got to be honest, you want more from Weber than what Weber can give right now. They aren't a top Big Sky Conference team right now. But they have potential and are realizing that potential slowly but surely. Besides, Jay's best recruits are on missions and are scheduled to start getting back next year. It took Gary until season 3 to get the Aggies on the winning track. We are three games into year 2 for Jay. Patience brother!! It is coming. I understand your concerns and see problems with our team. All we can hope is that these problems are being addressed.

 

[baller]

Jadrian Clark overthrows far too many passes. There is a reason for that. QB overthrows are typically caused by one or two technical mistakes. Sometimes throwing off the back foot can lead to overthrows. I haven't seen Jadrian do that often. The second mistake causing high throws comes from "overstriding" and is a much more common source of the overthrow problem. When a right-handed QB steps into the throw with his left foot forward they can overstride that left foot resulting in a virtual guarantee of an overthrow. This seems to me to be Jadrian's problem. Maybe the coaches know that already but haven't been able to correct it. But Jadrian was doing this last year also, and the staff has had plenty of time to correct it. Makes me think they either don't realize the problem or they don't know how to correct it even if they do realize it. Bottom line is that there has been plenty of time to correct it...

 

[SWWeatherCat]

I didn't think it was that negative. We have people referring to John L and other coaches like they killed the program at WSU. I don't like what they did, however that is on the athletic director hiring a bunch of bone heads who were willing to take the next flight out of town for any other school they could find. It wasn't that long ago that Utah State's football program was in disarray, how soon all of us in the Cache valley forgets. However, they hired the right coach that had a commitment of a few years to turnaround the program and they game Gary the resources to do it. I am assuming that Hill wants the same, otherwise why leave a Pac 12 school. However in every case of watching a college turnaround of a program, significant results begin to show through in year 2! Not year 4 or 5! Their is a lot of things that we can talk about but one we can't get back is time. If WSU is weak in places on the roster than get proven JC's that can fill the gaps immeidately and can make an impact of building a winning program. Just like Gary A. did at Utah state. WSU recruited 4 freshman receivers this year and 3 out 4 of them are a major bust! This program can't wait for them to red shirt and mature in 3 years. The lack of urgency with the program and the coaches is my major concern. It the program and recruiting was truly dissimated by John L and everyone else, all the more need to bring in the proven transfers. So, no I don't plan on taking my foot off the pressure on the Coaches and the Players. I hope no one feels we are out of the wood shed because we beat Sac S&%$. SAC ST was one of the worst teams I have seen this season, there is a reason their coach was fired from WSU.

Jay Hill was hired on the premise that he would build this program from the ground up by bringing in mostly local high school players where they can red shirt a year, grow and learn in the system. The current administration didn't wan't the quick fix Junior College approach. Just because an incoming freshman red shirts a year doesn't mean he is a bust. It's all part of their blueprint to build a program that can be successful for the long term, not just the near future.

:agree: "Coach" Hill is something Sears most definitely was not. How many of Hill's guys has USU poached? Hill is doing it the right way and that's a tough thing considering how far JLSatan set the program back. I'm hoping for 5 wins this season and maybe 3 is more realistic, none of us can do more than guess. Fact is, the first game they were supposed to be able to win, they did. No, Sac does not look like a good team and Weber's offense looks far from stellar. In normal circumstances I'd look for and expect a big improvement in year 2. In Hill's situation, I'm more than willing to give him an extra year because of what he started with and the fact that he's trying to build it the right way. The team is relatively young, the staff new (a few times over) and what may be some of Hill's best recruited talent so far is on a mission or red shirting/maturing. The QB and OC problem(s) are concerning but I'm not willing to call the players or staff a bust just yet. It's disappointing and worrisome but, again, I say it's very reasonable to give Hill the benefit of an extra year to completely overhaul this program. It certainly isn't going to help matters to blow it up, again!