Hornet Stadium Renovation 🏟

[BuckeyeHornetFan]

Instead of behind the stadium, I think broad 2.0 would look better attached to the east side of the existing broad (just double the footprint). Make it one big facility, closing the loop of that side of the stadium, and put a huge video board on top.

I’ve always thought the same thing. Aesthetically it makes the most sense.

I don’t pretend to know all the architectural challenges that might be in play, but building it behind the home grandstands just doesn’t seem to make much sense — except for the permanent restrooms being located there.

 

[BuckeyeHornetFan]

Wish he would have addressed the track. Would love to move it to where the practice track is now. Absolutely no chance of hosting world track events after the new mecca in Oregon facility, so it is just an NCAA related track. What is the attendance prospects of that? Pretty minimum. I would think the water table is pretty low, so digging down for a bowl would be challenging.

Speaking solely as a fan attending games, removing the track is the greatest need beyond the restroom situation. That just needs to happen for an optimal viewing and home field advantage experience.

 

[BuckeyeHornetFan]

Hard pass on the 2,500-3,000 venue idea. That isn't an "events center", it's just a larger gym. Total waste of effort imo. You're not going to build a top mid major program (for MBB & WBB) in something like that. 5k capacity is a minimum.

An events center getting done without a portion coming from student fees is wishful thinking. At a minimum, there should be a fee to maintain the facility, so even if it gets built that fancy new venue would go to crap in a matter of years under a deferred maintenance plan which would be an absolute disaster long term. There must be a student fee associated with a new events center just to keep it operable.

Football has the hot hand so it makes cents (sic) that football facilities are top priority. The reality is if you want any hope of ensuring Taylor declines offers from FBS programs, you (Nelsen/Orr) have to go all in on supporting that program. I'm totally fine with that. Agree with K on the location of the Broad 2.0. To me it makes more sense to wrap it around the south endzone since there is open space there. It would also be more visible as people drive around campus and could even tie in a new ticket booth/welcome area as fans come into the stadium. Also, anything built around/behind the current grandstands will make a future Hornet Stadium rebuild that much more difficult/costly to do as it likely would limit available footprint. It's clear there is no master planning going on with these concepts/projects and admin is just throwing darts at a campus facilities map on a wall, but hey at least they are thinking about it I guess.

Also agree with GCM on getting the track out of there if a new HS is ever built.

^^ Agree with ALL of this.

 

[Green Cookie Monster]

After sleeping on this, I call fooey on Nelsen.

There is no way a $150M arena is built when they barely were able to get the $97M academic science building built 'with' state funds.
Why so expensive, when other schools are building for a lot less. Outrageous claim just smacks of no real knowledge of cost.
http://www.arenafanatic.com/ncaa.html

Broad 2.0 is probably warranted, but $50M? CP is building the Madden facility for $30M and the original Broad 1.0 was $11M. Why put it where the new press box is located? Didn't they just spend $4.5M to have the pressbox installed? Are they going to remove the pressbox? There is land behind the stadium, but why hide a $50M building?

$11M for intramurals? Where are the intramural fields? The soccer field took that over. We installed lights at the John for $1.2M, why so expensive? With the relationship with SMUD, you'd think the price would be more reasonable.

And fees, he doesn't want to raise fees, but that was no problem when they added on to the WREC recently. Didn't the students vote for this in 2004?

Until shovel turns dirt, I claim this is all placating BS.

 

[Kadeezy]

After sleeping on this, I call fooey on Nelsen.

There is no way a $150M arena is built when they barely were able to get the $97M academic science building built 'with' state funds.
Why so expensive, when other schools are building for a lot less. Outrageous claim just smacks of no real knowledge of cost.
http://www.arenafanatic.com/ncaa.html

Broad 2.0 is probably warranted, but $50M? CP is building the Madden facility for $30M and the original Broad 1.0 was $11M. Why put it where the new press box is located? Didn't they just spend $4.5M to have the pressbox installed? Are they going to remove the pressbox? There is land behind the stadium, but why hide a $50M building?

$11M for intramurals? Where are the intramural fields? The soccer field took that over. We installed lights at the John for $1.2M, why so expensive? With the relationship with SMUD, you'd think the price would be more reasonable.

And fees, he doesn't want to raise fees, but that was no problem when they added on to the WREC recently. Didn't the students vote for this in 2004?

Until shovel turns dirt, I claim this is all placating BS.

Might be. I was thinking maybe the Broad 2.0 $50M included a full home side seating replacement as well? Who knows. With all the new buildings and renovations on campus for academics, I feel like Nelsen has earned the goodwill to make some academic facility strides with state money or student fees. As I’ve said before, I’ll hold out hope he’s planning on going out in style with a landmark project, and falling on that fees sword for his successor…

 

[SDHornet]

After sleeping on this, I call fooey on Nelsen.

There is no way a $150M arena is built when they barely were able to get the $97M academic science building built 'with' state funds.
Why so expensive, when other schools are building for a lot less. Outrageous claim just smacks of no real knowledge of cost.
http://www.arenafanatic.com/ncaa.html

Broad 2.0 is probably warranted, but $50M? CP is building the Madden facility for $30M and the original Broad 1.0 was $11M. Why put it where the new press box is located? Didn't they just spend $4.5M to have the pressbox installed? Are they going to remove the pressbox? There is land behind the stadium, but why hide a $50M building?

$11M for intramurals? Where are the intramural fields? The soccer field took that over. We installed lights at the John for $1.2M, why so expensive? With the relationship with SMUD, you'd think the price would be more reasonable.

And fees, he doesn't want to raise fees, but that was no problem when they added on to the WREC recently. Didn't the students vote for this in 2004?

Until shovel turns dirt, I claim this is all placating BS.

I heard it's lights for that entire area (intermural fields, soccer and softball field, maybe even beach VB).

Regarding costs, anyone involved with heavy construction has seen some ridiculous cost increases in the last 18 months+ due to various issues (China virus shutdowns, labor shortages, material shortages, Ukraine War, CA gig law that gutted independent truckers thus cornering the transportation market for the major carriers, and now skyrocketing energy prices). I think his numbers (especially the $150M for the events center :lol: ) is an unrealistic estimate. And we haven't even touched on inflation...

 

[Green Cookie Monster]

https://www.upmceventscenter.com/

This was built at a tiny private college in PA. Completely financed, managed and maintained by a 3rd party company who specializes in event center building/planning. Located on campus and is the keystone to their athletics program and community.

If RMU can do it, why can't 31,000 student, $349M budget Sac State align with a company to do this? Baffling as to why this isn't already in place.

 

[Kadeezy]

https://www.upmceventscenter.com/

This was built at a tiny private college in PA. Completely financed, managed and maintained by a 3rd party company who specializes in event center building/planning. Located on campus and is the keystone to their athletics program and community.

If RMU can do it, why can't 31,000 student, $349M budget Sac State align with a company to do this? Baffling as to why this isn't already in place.

What were the costs in the RMU facility. That looks to me exactly what we need. Looks very well done, and versatile.

 

[Green Cookie Monster]

[What were the costs in the RMU facility. That looks to me exactly what we need. Looks very well done, and versatile.

$43M
https://www.oakviewgroup.com/ovg360/client/arena/

They do these all over the country.

 

[Kadeezy]

They did the Colorado State beautiful football facility.

Seems like 4-5k seat state of the art arena for $50M-ish would be a good investment…

 

[Green Cookie Monster]

Villanova has a sweet stadium by them.
Missouri State
NDSU
UND

I see a peer FCS theme here.

What is the holdup? Seriously.

 

[Kadeezy]

https://tarletonsports.com/news/2022/10/20/football-memorial-stadium-expansion-project-complete-tarleton-to-open-at-homecoming-on-oct-29.aspx

 

[Super Hornet 2.0]

I respectfully disagree with you guys about the track. As far as I'm concerned (and, yes, as a track guy I'm biased), the best football stadia have tracks. And football players do MUCH better when they also do track....

 

[BuckeyeHornetFan]

I respectfully disagree with you guys about the track. As far as I'm concerned (and, yes, as a track guy I'm biased), the best football stadia have tracks. And football players do MUCH better when they also do track....

No football stadium or football game is better with the track between the game and the fans.

Track can still go on at a different location. It doesn’t need to be part of the football experience and vice versa.

They are different activities hosted at different times. When football is being played, nobody wants to see a track. When a track and field event is going on, nobody wants to see football.

The end.

 

[Green Cookie Monster]

I respectfully disagree with you guys about the track. As far as I'm concerned (and, yes, as a track guy I'm biased), the best football stadia have tracks. And football players do MUCH better when they also do track....

No football stadium or football game is better with the track between the game and the fans.

Track can still go on at a different location. It doesn’t need to be part of the football experience and vice versa.

They are different activities hosted at different times. When football is being played, nobody wants to see a track. When a track and field event is going on, nobody wants to see football.

The end.

Agreed 110%. Move the track. Name one football stadium that is nice with a track? When the 50 spectators want to watch a track meet they don't need a 22,000 seat stadium.

 

[Kadeezy]

Another beautiful academic building on the way. Maybe his retirement gift to Nelsen will be a massive Event Center or Hornet Stadium donation???? :lol:

https://www.csus.edu/news/newsroom/stories/2022/11/engineering-naming-approval.html

 

[Greenteam]

We should already have the event center. Ernest Tschannen was introduced to the university by Coach Katz. He was hosted and recognized at the basketball banquet for two years. I believe it was part of the start of the 1000 Hornets campaign. Then unfortunately Nelson redirected his donation to finish the science building. I believe the university can use state funds for science and engineering buildings but only private money and student fees for an event center. Disappointed he was redirected.

 

[SDHornet]

We should already have the event center. Ernest Tschannen was introduced to the university by Coach Katz. He was hosted and recognized at the basketball banquet for two years. I believe it was part of the start of the 1000 Hornets campaign. Then unfortunately Nelson redirected his donation to finish the science building. I believe the university can use state funds for science and engineering buildings but only private money and student fees for an event center. Disappointed he was redirected.

As much as we need an events center, using donations for STEM facilities is a better investment. Based on the speech Tschannen gave at the recent engineering building announcement, he has the same sentiment. Also based on the recruiting ability/connections of DP and his staff in one offseason, that appears to not be what was holding Katz back all those years he was here.

 

[Super Hornet 2.0]

We should already have the event center. Ernest Tschannen was introduced to the university by Coach Katz. He was hosted and recognized at the basketball banquet for two years. I believe it was part of the start of the 1000 Hornets campaign. Then unfortunately Nelson redirected his donation to finish the science building. I believe the university can use state funds for science and engineering buildings but only private money and student fees for an event center. Disappointed he was redirected.

Are you saying that a donation intended for football was re-directed by the President for another purpose? While STEM is important, redirecting purpose-driven donations without permission is THEFT. SMH....

 

[stingthemgood]

Guess I missed that time when Coach Katz was the football and basketball coach and wanted the football team to play in the Events Center. Man. I was living under a rock then.

We should already have the event center. Ernest Tschannen was introduced to the university by Coach Katz. He was hosted and recognized at the basketball banquet for two years. I believe it was part of the start of the 1000 Hornets campaign. Then unfortunately Nelson redirected his donation to finish the science building. I believe the university can use state funds for science and engineering buildings but only private money and student fees for an event center. Disappointed he was redirected.

Are you saying that a donation intended for football was re-directed by the President for another purpose? While STEM is important, redirecting purpose-driven donations without permission is THEFT. SMH....