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[bball06]

I watched the game on TV yesterday and it's good to see Randy Adams develop in the post and I think the team did a good job of hustling. I just CAN'T get excited about the style of play though. We are unbelievably boring to watch. We pass the pall around near half court for 10 seconds or so, we set one screen, and the ball handler forces the ball in down low, with the ball either flying of clumsy hands in the post or just rolling out of bounds. I would rather see if Loren Leath can get hot and just jack up 15 3s...

I will wait before calling for Katz's job, but I'm definately not impressed thus far. If you compare to Sperbeck taking over the football program, he wins the transition comparison, hands down.

One other note about yesterday's game... How the he!l is Aaron Wilson on a DI roster? He tries to hustle and be scrappy, but man he falls over so much, gets bullied in the post and blown by quicker more athletic forwards on a routine basis...

Once again, it's a transition year...hopefully each year we will get better and better. But this program has been in shambles for years, and no one made Katz out to be a magic maker. He was at Delta for 15 years and it took him some years to build them up to what they are. These things don't happen overnight. And none of us should be "calling for Katz's job" or any other D1 coaches jobs. None of us are qualified in the least so I wouldn't build yourself up to be. The man can take criticism but I can guarantee that sacbuzz.com is the last thing he would read or let get to him. This is for fans to discuss the program and the games and the players, not to think they could do any better than the players or coaches. This is a patchwork team that is in the making to be a nice quilt of basketball players working together to play up their strengths and win games. Have faith and patience and you all will see.

 

[cecesdada]

I watched the game on TV yesterday and it's good to see Randy Adams develop in the post and I think the team did a good job of hustling. I just CAN'T get excited about the style of play though. We are unbelievably boring to watch. We pass the pall around near half court for 10 seconds or so, we set one screen, and the ball handler forces the ball in down low, with the ball either flying of clumsy hands in the post or just rolling out of bounds. I would rather see if Loren Leath can get hot and just jack up 15 3s...

I will wait before calling for Katz's job, but I'm definately not impressed thus far. If you compare to Sperbeck taking over the football program, he wins the transition comparison, hands down.

One other note about yesterday's game... How the he!l is Aaron Wilson on a DI roster? He tries to hustle and be scrappy, but man he falls over so much, gets bullied in the post and blown by quicker more athletic forwards on a routine basis...

Once again, it's a transition year...hopefully each year we will get better and better. But this program has been in shambles for years, and no one made Katz out to be a magic maker. He was at Delta for 15 years and it took him some years to build them up to what they are. These things don't happen overnight. And none of us should be "calling for Katz's job" or any other D1 coaches jobs. None of us are qualified in the least so I wouldn't build yourself up to be. The man can take criticism but I can guarantee that sacbuzz.com is the last thing he would read or let get to him. This is for fans to discuss the program and the games and the players, not to think they could do any better than the players or coaches. This is a patchwork team that is in the making to be a nice quilt of basketball players working together to play up their strengths and win games. Have faith and patience and you all will see.

Once again, amen. Another rational thinker.

 

[StungAlum]

I watched the game on TV yesterday and it's good to see Randy Adams develop in the post and I think the team did a good job of hustling. I just CAN'T get excited about the style of play though. We are unbelievably boring to watch. We pass the pall around near half court for 10 seconds or so, we set one screen, and the ball handler forces the ball in down low, with the ball either flying of clumsy hands in the post or just rolling out of bounds. I would rather see if Loren Leath can get hot and just jack up 15 3s...

I will wait before calling for Katz's job, but I'm definately not impressed thus far. If you compare to Sperbeck taking over the football program, he wins the transition comparison, hands down.

One other note about yesterday's game... How the he!l is Aaron Wilson on a DI roster? He tries to hustle and be scrappy, but man he falls over so much, gets bullied in the post and blown by quicker more athletic forwards on a routine basis...

Once again, it's a transition year...hopefully each year we will get better and better. But this program has been in shambles for years, and no one made Katz out to be a magic maker. He was at Delta for 15 years and it took him some years to build them up to what they are. These things don't happen overnight. And none of us should be "calling for Katz's job" or any other D1 coaches jobs. None of us are qualified in the least so I wouldn't build yourself up to be. The man can take criticism but I can guarantee that sacbuzz.com is the last thing he would read or let get to him. This is for fans to discuss the program and the games and the players, not to think they could do any better than the players or coaches. This is a patchwork team that is in the making to be a nice quilt of basketball players working together to play up their strengths and win games. Have faith and patience and you all will see.

All of this talk about who can talk about Katz or whether or not its okay to do so is rediculous, I'll say whatever I want to about Katz and his inability to produce anything positive on the court this season. I implore everyone to do the same, to say whatever they wish, regardless of thei"qualifications" to do so. To say that no one has a right to say something about Katz or his way of running the program is absolutely wrong, last time I checked this was America, not Russia or China.

I could care less if Katz wants to read sacbuzz, he should be reading everything that fans have the ability to say what they want to on. If he doesnt care what the fans, alumni, and students want or think, then he's definitely not the right coach.

And your right, this year was a transition year, it went from terrible last year to deplorable this year.

 

[Kadeezy]

I watched the game on TV yesterday and it's good to see Randy Adams develop in the post and I think the team did a good job of hustling. I just CAN'T get excited about the style of play though. We are unbelievably boring to watch. We pass the pall around near half court for 10 seconds or so, we set one screen, and the ball handler forces the ball in down low, with the ball either flying of clumsy hands in the post or just rolling out of bounds. I would rather see if Loren Leath can get hot and just jack up 15 3s...

I will wait before calling for Katz's job, but I'm definately not impressed thus far. If you compare to Sperbeck taking over the football program, he wins the transition comparison, hands down.

One other note about yesterday's game... How the he!l is Aaron Wilson on a DI roster? He tries to hustle and be scrappy, but man he falls over so much, gets bullied in the post and blown by quicker more athletic forwards on a routine basis...

Once again, it's a transition year...hopefully each year we will get better and better. But this program has been in shambles for years, and no one made Katz out to be a magic maker. He was at Delta for 15 years and it took him some years to build them up to what they are. These things don't happen overnight. And none of us should be "calling for Katz's job" or any other D1 coaches jobs. None of us are qualified in the least so I wouldn't build yourself up to be. The man can take criticism but I can guarantee that sacbuzz.com is the last thing he would read or let get to him. This is for fans to discuss the program and the games and the players, not to think they could do any better than the players or coaches. This is a patchwork team that is in the making to be a nice quilt of basketball players working together to play up their strengths and win games. Have faith and patience and you all will see.

I understand it's a transition year... I didn't think Katz would resurrect the program in one year. I did expect accountability, competitiveness, and a bright outlook. I don't see those things. I'm not calling for his job and even said so, so please don't imply that I am.

I also think it's hilarious that you think people on the board shouldn't be expressing their opinions about the current situation. I also find it laughable that you assume I know nothing about D1 hoops. There are people on this board who know who I am in "real life" and I assure you, I know a little bit about this program and its past from personal experience.

Do I think I could do a better job than Katz? Heck no. Do I think he could be doing a better job at his at this point in time, absolutely.

 

[cecesdada]

I watched the game on TV yesterday and it's good to see Randy Adams develop in the post and I think the team did a good job of hustling. I just CAN'T get excited about the style of play though. We are unbelievably boring to watch. We pass the pall around near half court for 10 seconds or so, we set one screen, and the ball handler forces the ball in down low, with the ball either flying of clumsy hands in the post or just rolling out of bounds. I would rather see if Loren Leath can get hot and just jack up 15 3s...

I will wait before calling for Katz's job, but I'm definately not impressed thus far. If you compare to Sperbeck taking over the football program, he wins the transition comparison, hands down.

One other note about yesterday's game... How the he!l is Aaron Wilson on a DI roster? He tries to hustle and be scrappy, but man he falls over so much, gets bullied in the post and blown by quicker more athletic forwards on a routine basis...

Once again, it's a transition year...hopefully each year we will get better and better. But this program has been in shambles for years, and no one made Katz out to be a magic maker. He was at Delta for 15 years and it took him some years to build them up to what they are. These things don't happen overnight. And none of us should be "calling for Katz's job" or any other D1 coaches jobs. None of us are qualified in the least so I wouldn't build yourself up to be. The man can take criticism but I can guarantee that sacbuzz.com is the last thing he would read or let get to him. This is for fans to discuss the program and the games and the players, not to think they could do any better than the players or coaches. This is a patchwork team that is in the making to be a nice quilt of basketball players working together to play up their strengths and win games. Have faith and patience and you all will see.

All of this talk about who can talk about Katz or whether or not its okay to do so is rediculous, I'll say whatever I want to about Katz and his inability to produce anything positive on the court this season. I implore everyone to do the same, to say whatever they wish, regardless of thei"qualifications" to do so. To say that no one has a right to say something about Katz or his way of running the program is absolutely wrong, last time I checked this was America, not Russia or China.

I could care less if Katz wants to read sacbuzz, he should be reading everything that fans have the ability to say what they want to on. If he doesnt care what the fans, alumni, and students want or think, then he's definitely not the right coach.

And your right, this year was a transition year, it went from terrible last year to deplorable this year.

Say what you want, but please have an idea what you are talking about.

I would gather that last year's team was not any better than the one on the floor this year. Sure, they had two more wins, but two of those wins were against Simpson College and William Jessup. Of the 24 losses we experienced last year, the average point descrepancy was 17.37 points. This year, the point descrepancy in losses is 16.22. Additionally, in the Big Sky, last year's team lost 5 games by 20 or more points. This year, they have lost 2 by 20 or more (with 5 left). Granted, they are not scoring as well, but this year's team is holding opponents to 72.2 ppg, as opposed to 77 ppg last year.

They are not as flashy and have had some serious scoring droughts, sure, but to say they are worse than last year's team is an overstatement.

Another reminder, he is trying to build a Division 1 basketball program virtually from scratch. Give him some time.

 

[EarleHornet]

I watched the game on TV yesterday and it's good to see Randy Adams develop in the post and I think the team did a good job of hustling. I just CAN'T get excited about the style of play though. We are unbelievably boring to watch. We pass the pall around near half court for 10 seconds or so, we set one screen, and the ball handler forces the ball in down low, with the ball either flying of clumsy hands in the post or just rolling out of bounds. I would rather see if Loren Leath can get hot and just jack up 15 3s...

I will wait before calling for Katz's job, but I'm definately not impressed thus far. If you compare to Sperbeck taking over the football program, he wins the transition comparison, hands down.

One other note about yesterday's game... How the he!l is Aaron Wilson on a DI roster? He tries to hustle and be scrappy, but man he falls over so much, gets bullied in the post and blown by quicker more athletic forwards on a routine basis...

Once again, it's a transition year...hopefully each year we will get better and better. But this program has been in shambles for years, and no one made Katz out to be a magic maker. He was at Delta for 15 years and it took him some years to build them up to what they are. These things don't happen overnight. And none of us should be "calling for Katz's job" or any other D1 coaches jobs. None of us are qualified in the least so I wouldn't build yourself up to be. The man can take criticism but I can guarantee that sacbuzz.com is the last thing he would read or let get to him. This is for fans to discuss the program and the games and the players, not to think they could do any better than the players or coaches. This is a patchwork team that is in the making to be a nice quilt of basketball players working together to play up their strengths and win games. Have faith and patience and you all will see.

All of this talk about who can talk about Katz or whether or not its okay to do so is rediculous, I'll say whatever I want to about Katz and his inability to produce anything positive on the court this season. I implore everyone to do the same, to say whatever they wish, regardless of thei"qualifications" to do so. To say that no one has a right to say something about Katz or his way of running the program is absolutely wrong, last time I checked this was America, not Russia or China.

I could care less if Katz wants to read sacbuzz, he should be reading everything that fans have the ability to say what they want to on. If he doesnt care what the fans, alumni, and students want or think, then he's definitely not the right coach.

And your right, this year was a transition year, it went from terrible last year to deplorable this year.

Say what you want, but please have an idea what you are talking about.

I would gather that last year's team was not any better than the one on the floor this year. Sure, they had two more wins, but two of those wins were against Simpson College and William Jessup. Of the 24 losses we experienced last year, the average point descrepancy was 17.37 points. This year, the point descrepancy in losses is 16.22. Additionally, in the Big Sky, last year's team lost 5 games by 20 or more points. This year, they have lost 2 by 20 or more (with 5 left). Granted, they are not scoring as well, but this year's team is holding opponents to 72.2 ppg, as opposed to 77 ppg last year.

They are not as flashy and have had some serious scoring droughts, sure, but to say they are worse than last year's team is an overstatement.

Another reminder, he is trying to build a Division 1 basketball program virtually from scratch. Give him some time.

Two wins out of the four last year were Simpson and William Jessup? Throw those two out. One more win this year and it would be an improvement over last year??? Just wait. Katz will turn it around. He has won, everywhere he's been. The losing is killing him more than you think. It's coming, just be a little patient.

 

[bball06]

I watched the game on TV yesterday and it's good to see Randy Adams develop in the post and I think the team did a good job of hustling. I just CAN'T get excited about the style of play though. We are unbelievably boring to watch. We pass the pall around near half court for 10 seconds or so, we set one screen, and the ball handler forces the ball in down low, with the ball either flying of clumsy hands in the post or just rolling out of bounds. I would rather see if Loren Leath can get hot and just jack up 15 3s...

I will wait before calling for Katz's job, but I'm definately not impressed thus far. If you compare to Sperbeck taking over the football program, he wins the transition comparison, hands down.

One other note about yesterday's game... How the he!l is Aaron Wilson on a DI roster? He tries to hustle and be scrappy, but man he falls over so much, gets bullied in the post and blown by quicker more athletic forwards on a routine basis...

Once again, it's a transition year...hopefully each year we will get better and better. But this program has been in shambles for years, and no one made Katz out to be a magic maker. He was at Delta for 15 years and it took him some years to build them up to what they are. These things don't happen overnight. And none of us should be "calling for Katz's job" or any other D1 coaches jobs. None of us are qualified in the least so I wouldn't build yourself up to be. The man can take criticism but I can guarantee that sacbuzz.com is the last thing he would read or let get to him. This is for fans to discuss the program and the games and the players, not to think they could do any better than the players or coaches. This is a patchwork team that is in the making to be a nice quilt of basketball players working together to play up their strengths and win games. Have faith and patience and you all will see.

All of this talk about who can talk about Katz or whether or not its okay to do so is rediculous, I'll say whatever I want to about Katz and his inability to produce anything positive on the court this season. I implore everyone to do the same, to say whatever they wish, regardless of thei"qualifications" to do so. To say that no one has a right to say something about Katz or his way of running the program is absolutely wrong, last time I checked this was America, not Russia or China.

I could care less if Katz wants to read sacbuzz, he should be reading everything that fans have the ability to say what they want to on. If he doesnt care what the fans, alumni, and students want or think, then he's definitely not the right coach.

And your right, this year was a transition year, it went from terrible last year to deplorable this year.

Say what you want, but please have an idea what you are talking about.

I would gather that last year's team was not any better than the one on the floor this year. Sure, they had two more wins, but two of those wins were against Simpson College and William Jessup. Of the 24 losses we experienced last year, the average point descrepancy was 17.37 points. This year, the point descrepancy in losses is 16.22. Additionally, in the Big Sky, last year's team lost 5 games by 20 or more points. This year, they have lost 2 by 20 or more (with 5 left). Granted, they are not scoring as well, but this year's team is holding opponents to 72.2 ppg, as opposed to 77 ppg last year.

They are not as flashy and have had some serious scoring droughts, sure, but to say they are worse than last year's team is an overstatement.

Another reminder, he is trying to build a Division 1 basketball program virtually from scratch. Give him some time.

First off, let's get real. Of course everyone has the right to their own opinion about Sac State and whatever goes on with it. My problem with what some posters have said is that it seems like they are not Hornet fans, just Katz bashers. Call me a Katz groupie if you want and anyone else on here that is trying to be supportive of this team, coach and school. I personally don't care if I am called a groupie because if that means I support and have faith in the program with each year to come, then so be it.

Secondly, I would like to thank the poster (I don't recall who with the quoting of the quoting of the quoting) that brought some hard evidence to the discussion. They showed that we have a lower average point discrepancy in losses than last year, and we are holding our opponents to less points than last year. Evidence, not opinion, that we are, even if just a little bit, better than last year's team. I think it was cecesdada who provided that, so thank you, I appreciate your concrete evidence.

And thirdly, I think that a good coach or any other person in a higher profile job that is constantly under scrutiny should care about what the fans and other think, but only to a certain extent. Why would Katz read sacbuzz? To get pointers? The reality is that Katz is much to classy of a guy to let the opinions of fans and wannabes get into his head or have any influence on his job. He sticks to his job and doesn't tell anyone else how to do theirs. We can write whatever we want on here and say what we want obviously, but if Katz doesn't read this does that mean he doesn't care? No. It means he has a horrible program to rebuild from the ground up and has games to win and players to coach...not people like us to impress. He is here to coach the team, make the program and school respectable, and eventually have a team that wins games and is a conference threat. He isn't here to win a popularity contest. He's here to make Sac State as powerful as he made Delta, and hopefully even more so.

 

[The Green Hornet]

I've seen nearly every game this season. What bothers me is that after this past weekend it looks like we've regressed instead of getting better and we should be improved this late in the season. We weren't showing any improvement throughout the season until the Weber St., Idaho St., and N. Colorado games at the end of January. I thought we might have turned a corner, but now I don't know. We looked awful again at Eastern and Portland.

I think Willie is right about Coach missing the boat on his recruits. He either misjudged their ability to play D-1 hoops or he misjudged the caliber of play in D-1 on the other teams. I think he panicked a little and took kids he knew something about. He probably should have taken more time and looked for players in Southern California too.

Another frustrating point for me is that we don't seem to make many adjustments to alleviate our shooting woes. Once the opposing bigs figured out Eller's fake and/or moves around the bucket, he's constantly getting his shot blocked. Why doesn't Eller or the coaches have him change his method, like develop a fade away or pass the ball back outside. When he or Adams gets the ball inside, they go through all of their gyrations and then almost always put up a forced shot and they don't have that much athletic ability to score over a tough defender. It bothers me that the coaches continue with the same plays that don't seem to work. I know we don't have any real shooters, but that's why we need plays to get open looks.
The bottom line though is that he's the head coach and he's responsible for who he's put on scholarship and he'll have to live with it and the results, and so will we.

 

[williestarbuck]

I guess what is upsetting for me is that when we talk about the future of the program, all I'm hearing from the pro Katz guys are comments like "He'll do it", "Be patient", and when that's not enough you fall back and slam Jenkins' record. In the many posts defending Katz there's been no rational or supporting statemens why you feel he'd be successful. Can anyone speak to the 'why'? I want to be positive about our future dispite the mistakes and failures I've mentioned in previous posts. If I were to be as hopeful as many of you I'd say Katz will succeed because Wanless fingerprints are on this too. Wanless will give Katz all the support--financial and otherwise-- to make sure Katz succeed because if Katz fail so does he. I'd look at the 6'8'' kid out of Michigan who signed early and say Katz is not just focused on Sacramento but he's extended the school's reach nationally. Someone mentioned Katz success at Delta, well, what did he do there? Did he win State? Was his program ranked nationally? What was his success and why do you feel it will transfer over to this level? I know Katz is a prideful alum and that will account for something. But I've just seen things in this 1st year that turely bothers me. Does anyone know anything beyond wishful thinking, because Katz isn't talking? Tell us he feels the team has progressed in some way, perhaps mental toughness. Point to a team or individual statistics they've improved upon. Is there anything positive he feels they can bring into next year??? How would he like to wrap up the season realistically. Even if he said our goal is to show some toughness and win a game on the road, we as fans can root for that for the team. Honestly, he gives the impression he doesn't have answers. He's out of touch with his fan base so I'm gonna think about things like McGhee, the kind of kid Katz says he wants to recruit he lets get away. 3 productive years from a star player we don't get and no one's upset about that. I want to lose a different way next time. No more knockouts by the same left hook. Show me you can solve that. Change the offense already! Have Eller pop out and face the basket, like a point forward (at least against Man defense). He needs to shoot more 3's. It might pull their Big out, create long rebounding opportunities. Then hope we can be quicker to the ball and get some of them. It might create a penetrating opportunity or a stop and shoot for a cutter. (I don't pretend to have answers and this might not work but do something different). Time will tell if he has the ability to judge D1 talent. Another thing, my grade on Katz has nothing to do with his won loss record. So statistically I wouldn't compare this year to last season (even though thanks for taking the time to pull the numbers together; they are an interesting comparison). But I wouldn't compare the 2 seasons, because as much as this is a transition season for Katz so it was for Jenkins. Katz is transitioning in while Jenkins was transitioning out. I can only imagine how difficult it must have been to coach and motivate a team when you don't know what school your kids are gonna go to next year. In any event, I want to be wrong about Katz. And if I am, I'll be the first to post it. I'd just like to know if the program is headed in the right direction. And if you feel that it is, then why?

 

[SactoHornetAlum]

WillieStarbuck: Just one word of advice....can you please break up your posts into paragraphs...in a forum situation like this, the way you post it comes off as one long-winded post. Thanks. I will get into your observations in a bit.

 

[bball06]

While the numbers aren't adding up to success right now, I know personally that Katz is already on the ball for recruiting outside of the US. One of his assistants was already scouting in Australia and this summer Katz is planning a trip overseas, and it won't be a vacation. And what do you mean "what did he do at Delta"? It was an upset if the Mustangs didn't make it to the playoffs, which they almost always did. They were involved in state tournaments...and maybe they didn't win State, but right now, who's thinking Sac can win state??? No one.Katz's style of play and his offensive and defensive strategies are not to blame. Maybe you don't understand them, but if the players aren't running them then that's not so much Katz. We want wins right? A respectable team? That's what Katz can build up. And over 80% of his Delta players went on to play ball at 4 year schools. 80% might be an understatement but you get my drift, that's impressive. So before you bash the program and his style and his past even, you should do some research. This season is almost over, and I can assure you, next season is what has been the main focus for the Hornets for a few weeks now. We will see improvement.

 

[williestarbuck]

SHA, good tip. thanks and will do next time. BBall06, excuse me for not knowing about Delta's program. I'm embarrassed now. But thanks for the info on Katz recruiting plan. That's good news and I wonder why no one has mentioned it before...and for the last time, I'm not bashing the man. Geez, some of you just cant take straight talk.

 

[cecesdada]

Geez, some of you just cant take straight talk.

Uh, straight talk? You are right. I just can't handle it. Apparently, "straight talk" only comes in the form of down talking our basketball coach and team. I realize that we suck this year. I am not ignorant to that fact.

I am going to just keep allowing myself to cruise along blindly, accepting that obviously false fact that a person cannot build a Division 1 basketball program essentially from scratch in 24 games. Part of the problem with sports today is that everyone needs to see wins immediately. Coaches are not allowed to build a system. Do you realize that the Pittsburgh Steelers, arguably the most successful NFL franchise has had three coaches in the last 40 years? Also, Jimmy Johnson went 1-15 in his first year with the Cowboys even though he had been very successful at Miami. I realize that this is not comparing apples to apples, but I am just trying to make the point that coaches should be given a chance to build. Our coach should at least be given a year to begin developing talent that he can properly recruit.

As far as what he has done this year. He has a basketball team still playing their hearts out and trying to learn his system while being 2-22. I at least see an offensive system being implemented. Is it being implemented well? No, but they are still trying to learn. They have allowed almost 5 points a game less this year than last. Should he try to revamp his offensive system? Maybe he evaluates the level of talent he has and realizes that this system best suits it. Or maybe, he feels that he wants to completely install his system and give it some time to sink in before he goes away from it. He is a person with 15 years of head coaching experience (yes, I realize it is at a JC). His teams won almost 72% of their games and missed the playoffs once, so I am sure that this is a eye opener for him.

So, here is my straight talk. How about we all hold realistic expectations of the growth of this coach and this program. Let's support the program and the coach and allow him to work on the program for at least a year before tearing him down.

 

[Green Cookie Monster]

What does an out of state schollie cost? Australia, Greece, Transylvania, you mean to tell me there are no quality DI bball players in the most populous state in the union?

Why does he feel the need to recruit to the extreme (geography) when his Delta players, over 80%, went on to DI programs? Obviously using these stats he found players in Ca. who are DI material.

I guess he has to recruit so far away because none of those prospects have seen or heard the joke that is Hornet gym.

 

[bball06]

Perhaps the reason he is recruiting out of our country is because of the reputation this program has had for as long as I can remember. And who's fault is that? Not Katz, he just got here and is working his ass off to make this group of players a good, competitive team within 5 years. Blame Jenkins and Abatemarco for the reputation. When he was at Delta, of course he went and recruited players, however because of Delta's reputation as a powerhouse and his rep. as an incredible coach, players came to him as well. When have Sac State coaches in the past seen that? There is some straight talk for you.

 

[williestarbuck]

Okay, BBall06, you're sounding real funny right now. Even if a coach is that good no dude pumps up another dude like you're doin. This my last post on this subject cause you're defense of Katz is starting to sound a little freaky.

 

[jmb]

Okay, BBall06, you're sounding real funny right now. Even if a coach is that good no dude pumps up another dude like you're doin. This my last post on this subject cause you're defense of Katz is starting to sound a little freaky.

First you ask for a rational reason as to why he thinks that Katz will be successful and then when he tries to provide it you claim he ia a little freaky. It seems like no matter what reasons are given you are just pissed about Katz. While it has been a terrible seaon, I think it is too early to pass judgement on how Katz will do long term. There are enough built in disadvantages at Sac State that to expect a miracle in 1 turnaround season is ridiculous.

 

[williestarbuck]

Okay, I lied about that being my last post, but let me defend myself here. When BBall provided rational I thanked him and said that was good news. But the "Powerhouse" adjective describing the Delta program and "Incredible coach" describing Katz is a bit over the top when you consider the program has won no State titles nor was it nationally ranked. And Incredible doesnt describe a coach who has had close to 90% of his players go on to play DI and he's never won a State title with them. It may sound like I'm bashing Katz but I'm just responding to what I see and hear. Let's say Delta was a conference power and Katz did an incredible job sustaining that success over the course of his time there. I'm fine with that. Let's hope his relationship with Wanless will allow him to create that same kind of success at the next level. Now I'm on board with what BBall is saying if that's what he was trying to say.

 

[williestarbuck]

And will everyone stop adding to what I've said. In none of my posts have I ever 1) called for Katz' job; 2) predicted that he would fail; or 3) expected a fast turn around or more wins. I've always said I wanted to see competitiveness and improvement and that I wasn't seeing either. And I gave clear reasons for my concern. Then I asked the Katz followers to give reasons for why they thought he would succeed. I never said he would fail, but like you say maybe it's too early for them to predict his long term success. Let's just hope that he does. With Wanless in his corner and Katz being as good as you all seem to think, there should be some light at the end of this dark tunnel.

 

[bball06]

Just don't ask for information, then judge the poster instead of the requested information. He has 5 years at Sac so it would be reasonable to start criticizing after another year or 2 and we have still seen no improvement in the program or players. Its called being having realistic expectations while still analyzing the games however you want to.