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[flyingnail]

I just went back 3 years and had a good chuckle. We always have at least 2 threads on how terrible our defense is, with the same people always coming up with reasons/excuses. These people always say "we are young... We will get better... It's still early... Of course Graham should still be the DC etc...". And look where we are. Again.

Theres the problem man, same o same o !!!! Wont win a playoff game if we even get there!!!

 

[FormerEag]

Numbers may not lie, but they can fib a little. :mrgreen:

Give the new coaching philosophy and system a chance. We're only 7 games in and we are still extremely young on D. :thumb:

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."

I agree with kalm here. Along with SOS, you have to bear in mind that as a function of our offense, the defense is going to spend a LOT of time on the field and opposing teams are going to get a lot of at-bats and rack up numbers. We just score too fast, and I wouldn't want to change that.

 

[eaglesfootball]

I just went back 3 years and had a good chuckle. We always have at least 2 threads on how terrible our defense is, with the same people always coming up with reasons/excuses. These people always say "we are young... We will get better... It's still early... Of course Graham should still be the DC etc...". And look where we are. Again.

this! Seems we have been "young" on D for about 5 years now! Does the offense also not have young players?

love all the kids we recruit and wouldn't trade any of them but as a whole the defense stinks. and no, I dont know what the answer is. it seems like to an extent there are not a large number of kids on the west coast that can play defense, or at least a great number of dominant lineman. and I dont want to hear the excuse of "we are fcs" either. it doesn't seem to be a problem for Ill St, North Dakota or even Montana.

 

[Seattle Eagle]

Hello!! Didn't our "D" cause a fumble and recover around the 5 yard line when UNC was gonna score? That was big time at that point in the game.

good one :lol:


However, no way to explain away the worst stats in the country I would sum up our poor defense this way (keeping it real):

So you think that the majority of teams in the MEAC, SWAC, NEC, Patriot and Pioneer Leagues have defenses that are better than ours? Come on!

 

[loloman]

I do not agree with the idea of rotating the secondary and linebackers the way they do. I can understand the big boys up front, keeping them fresh, but you mess with the chemistry of the back 7 way too much and communication breaks down. On one series in the first half, we had 5 freshmen in the defensive backfield. Our two defensive captains were off the field at the same time. What's up with that? The leadership should always be there unless they take themselves out of the game. NC happened to score on that series as well. I have never seen a time where we played as much musical chairs as we have this year. I don't get it. :thumbdown:

 

[kalm]

Hello!! Didn't our "D" cause a fumble and recover around the 5 yard line when UNC was gonna score? That was big time at that point in the game.

good one :lol:


However, no way to explain away the worst stats in the country I would sum up our poor defense this way (keeping it real):

So you think that the majority of teams in the MEAC, SWAC, NEC, Patriot and Pioneer Leagues have defenses that are better than ours? Come on!

When will NCA&T ever find an offense to match their always top ranked defense?

 

[air045]

Hello!! Didn't our "D" cause a fumble and recover around the 5 yard line when UNC was gonna score? That was big time at that point in the game.

good one :lol:


However, no way to explain away the worst stats in the country I would sum up our poor defense this way (keeping it real):

So you think that the majority of teams in the MEAC, SWAC, NEC, Patriot and Pioneer Leagues have defenses that are better than ours? Come on!

Not players no- but defensive scheme (for their schedule) ABSOLUTELY- NO QUESTION the data proofs it and all you have are assumptions based on nothing. HERE IS REALITY! We're the 3rd worst defense in the country PERIOD (versus our schedule). Stats are not perfect, but giving up over 500 yards every game is as solid as of state you'll get! I simply can't believe people try to explain that away. Most winning programs would have the torches out, lol. Would any other program, beside EWU tolerate such a poor performing defense? I'm just asking.

I have a challenge for the kool aid drinkers. Show me stats that proofs we're the youngest defense in the big sky. 2. Explain the reason we only forced 6 punts in 7 games? Stats please, no assumptions. 3 show me a stat that we have such a tougher schedule versus our opponents, again stats no assumptions? Oregon has proofed to be not very good against anyone!

The reason you cry foul to stats is because you can't produce a positive one for this product, lol. I love this team, but if I hear another excuse why we're so bad, I'll pull my hair out. Oops, I'm bald, lol. Is the expectations that low at EWU? I don't believe so, I just think a few of you are just to much in love with the personalities, and either reality has slipped or you're exercising your rights and visiting the local cannabis store. hno: puff pass, lol!

"PEOPLE SAY THEY LOVE THE TRUTH, BUT IN REALITY THEY ALL WANT TO BELIVE THAT WHICH THEY LOVE IS TRUE"(RJ),

It's ok to love the team, but I call BS for rolling out this defensive product! It's embarrassing and it's going to be ugly- yet again if we make the playoffs. Our defense has surpassed our visiting side facilities as a laughing stock (side note: wow northern Colorado facilities looked awful and empty) :rofl: !

I think they have these players thinking too much, simplify the defense and let these athletes attack, defense is so complicated it's causing many to second guess themselves, from the view of my armchair seat . Turn them loose and get out of the freaking zone, I'd rather get beat being aggressive , then sitting in zone all the darn time! off my soap box! It's all good for discussion, but it's time to expect better and ask tough question and hold ourselves and program accountable, that's how we'll get better. :thumb:

 

[EWU98]

Blackfalkin? Is that you?

 

[EWUeag]

Hello!! Didn't our "D" cause a fumble and recover around the 5 yard line when UNC was gonna score? That was big time at that point in the game.

good one :lol:


However, no way to explain away the worst stats in the country I would sum up our poor defense this way (keeping it real):

So you think that the majority of teams in the MEAC, SWAC, NEC, Patriot and Pioneer Leagues have defenses that are better than ours? Come on!

Not players no- but defensive scheme (for their schedule) ABSOLUTELY- NO QUESTION the data proofs it and all you have are assumptions based on nothing. HERE IS REALITY! We're the 3rd worst defense in the country PERIOD (versus our schedule). Stats are not perfect, but giving up over 500 yards every game is as solid as of state you'll get! I simply can't believe people try to explain that away. Most winning programs would have the torches out, lol. Would any other program, beside EWU tolerate such a poor performing defense? I'm just asking.

I have a challenge for the kool aid drinkers. Show me stats that proofs we're the youngest defense in the big sky. 2. Explain the reason we only forced 6 punts in 7 games? Stats please, no assumptions. 3 show me a stat that we have such a tougher schedule versus our opponents, again stats no assumptions? Oregon has proofed to be not very good against anyone!

The reason you cry foul to stats is because you can't produce a positive one for this product, lol. I love this team, but if I hear another excuse why we're so bad, I'll pull my hair out. Oops, I'm bald, lol. Is the expectations that low at EWU? I don't believe so, I just think a few of you are just to much in love with the personalities, and either reality has slipped or you're exercising your rights and visiting the local cannabis store. hno: puff pass, lol!

"PEOPLE SAY THEY LOVE THE TRUTH, BUT IN REALITY THEY ALL WANT TO BELIVE THAT WHICH THEY LOVE IS TRUE"(RJ),

It's ok to love the team, but I call BS for rolling out this defensive product! It's embarrassing and it's going to be ugly- yet again if we make the playoffs. Our defense has surpassed our visiting side facilities as a laughing stock (side note: wow northern Colorado facilities looked awful and empty) :rofl: !

I think they have these players thinking too much, simplify the defense and let these athletes attack, defense is so complicated it's causing many to second guess themselves, from the view of my armchair seat . Turn them loose and get out of the freaking zone, I'd rather get beat being aggressive , then sitting in zone all the darn time! off my soap box! It's all good for discussion, but it's time to expect better and ask tough question and hold ourselves and program accountable, that's how we'll get better. :thumb:

:clap: :thumb:

 

[kalm]

Hello!! Didn't our "D" cause a fumble and recover around the 5 yard line when UNC was gonna score? That was big time at that point in the game.

good one :lol:


However, no way to explain away the worst stats in the country I would sum up our poor defense this way (keeping it real):

So you think that the majority of teams in the MEAC, SWAC, NEC, Patriot and Pioneer Leagues have defenses that are better than ours? Come on!

Not players no- but defensive scheme (for their schedule) ABSOLUTELY- NO QUESTION the data proofs it and all you have are assumptions based on nothing. HERE IS REALITY! We're the 3rd worst defense in the country PERIOD (versus our schedule). Stats are not perfect, but giving up over 500 yards every game is as solid as of state you'll get! I simply can't believe people try to explain that away. Most winning programs would have the torches out, lol. Would any other program, beside EWU tolerate such a poor performing defense? I'm just asking.

I have a challenge for the kool aid drinkers. Show me stats that proofs we're the youngest defense in the big sky. 2. Explain the reason we only forced 6 punts in 7 games? Stats please, no assumptions. 3 show me a stat that we have such a tougher schedule versus our opponents, again stats no assumptions? Oregon has proofed to be not very good against anyone!

The reason you cry foul to stats is because you can't produce a positive one for this product, lol. I love this team, but if I hear another excuse why we're so bad, I'll pull my hair out. Oops, I'm bald, lol. Is the expectations that low at EWU? I don't believe so, I just think a few of you are just to much in love with the personalities, and either reality has slipped or you're exercising your rights and visiting the local cannabis store. hno: puff pass, lol!

"PEOPLE SAY THEY LOVE THE TRUTH, BUT IN REALITY THEY ALL WANT TO BELIVE THAT WHICH THEY LOVE IS TRUE"(RJ),

It's ok to love the team, but I call BS for rolling out this defensive product! It's embarrassing and it's going to be ugly- yet again if we make the playoffs. Our defense has surpassed our visiting side facilities as a laughing stock (side note: wow northern Colorado facilities looked awful and empty) :rofl: !

I think they have these players thinking too much, simplify the defense and let these athletes attack, defense is so complicated it's causing many to second guess themselves, from the view of my armchair seat . Turn them loose and get out of the freaking zone, I'd rather get beat being aggressive , then sitting in zone all the darn time! off my soap box! It's all good for discussion, but it's time to expect better and ask tough question and hold ourselves and program accountable, that's how we'll get better. :thumb:

Stats, no assumptions:

You know who has a really great defense? SUU. They don't need to make excuses either. The highest rated FCS offense they've face is SDSU at 50. They've also faced a DII and the 114th ranked offense in FBS (USU is ranked behind Wyoming! :rofl: ).

The #1 rated defense in all the land is Harvard and here's the total offense rankings for the schools they've faced:

URI 112
Brown 10
Georgetown 93
Cornell 86
Lafayette 105
Princeton 33

And guess the level of competition that Harvard's opponents have faced? :lol:

Since beginning conference play EWU is giving up 27 ppg and 417 ypg. Those numbers would rank us 62 in scoring defense and 79 in total. That's not against great competition, but Poly and ISU are at least the number 17 and 42 ranked teams in total offense.

Certainly signs the defense is improving.

No one can or is denying our defense has been bad, you just need to apply some realism when crowing about stats. Calling for changes is ignorant too. A bunch of you were calling for changes in scheme and a new DC before this year. Now we need to change again after 7 games in? Or perhaps we just need to tweak some things (I'll bet the coaching staff has never even considered that! :rofl: )

Arm chair indeed!

 

[clawman1]

Not players no- but defensive scheme (for their schedule) ABSOLUTELY- NO QUESTION the data proofs it and all you have are assumptions based on nothing. HERE IS REALITY! We're the 3rd worst defense in the country PERIOD (versus our schedule). Stats are not perfect, but giving up over 500 yards every game is as solid as of state you'll get! I simply can't believe people try to explain that away. Most winning programs would have the torches out, lol. Would any other program, beside EWU tolerate such a poor performing defense? I'm just asking.

I have a challenge for the kool aid drinkers. Show me stats that proofs we're the youngest defense in the big sky. 2. Explain the reason we only forced 6 punts in 7 games? Stats please, no assumptions. 3 show me a stat that we have such a tougher schedule versus our opponents, again stats no assumptions? Oregon has proofed to be not very good against anyone!

The reason you cry foul to stats is because you can't produce a positive one for this product, lol. I love this team, but if I hear another excuse why we're so bad, I'll pull my hair out. Oops, I'm bald, lol. Is the expectations that low at EWU? I don't believe so, I just think a few of you are just to much in love with the personalities, and either reality has slipped or you're exercising your rights and visiting the local cannabis store. hno: puff pass, lol!

"PEOPLE SAY THEY LOVE THE TRUTH, BUT IN REALITY THEY ALL WANT TO BELIVE THAT WHICH THEY LOVE IS TRUE"(RJ),

Stats, no assumptions:

You know who has a really great defense? SUU. They don't need to make excuses either. The highest rated FCS offense they've face is SDSU at 50. They've also faced a DII and the 114th ranked offense in FBS (USU is ranked behind Wyoming! :rofl: ).

The #1 rated defense in all the land is Harvard and here's the total offense rankings for the schools they've faced:

URI 112
Brown 10
Georgetown 93
Cornell 86
Lafayette 105
Princeton 33

And guess the level of competition that Harvard's opponents have faced? :lol:

Since beginning conference play EWU is giving up 27 ppg and 417 ypg. Those numbers would rank us 62 in scoring defense and 79 in total. That's not against great competition, but Poly and ISU are at least the number 17 and 42 ranked teams in total offense.

Certainly signs the defense is improving.

No one can or is denying our defense has been bad, you just need to apply some realism when crowing about stats. Calling for changes is ignorant too. A bunch of you were calling for changes in scheme and a new DC before this year. Now we need to change again after 7 games in? Or perhaps we just need to tweak some things (I'll bet the coaching staff has never even considered that! :rofl: )

Arm chair indeed!

:thumb:

 

[air045]

Hello!! Didn't our "D" cause a fumble and recover around the 5 yard line when UNC was gonna score? That was big time at that point in the game.

good one :lol:




:




low. I'm not part of your


However, no way to explain away the worst stats in the country I would sum up our poor defense this way (keeping it real):

So you think that the majority of teams in the MEAC, SWAC, NEC, Patriot and Pioneer Leagues have defenses that are better than ours? Come on!

Not players no- but defensive scheme (for their schedule) ABSOLUTELY- NO QUESTION the data proofs it and all you have are assumptions based on nothing. HERE IS REALITY! We're the 3rd worst defense in the country PERIOD (versus our schedule). Stats are not perfect, but giving up over 500 yards every game is as solid as of state you'll get! I simply can't believe people try to explain that away. Most winning programs would have the torches out, lol. Would any other program, beside EWU tolerate such a poor performing defense? I'm just asking.

I have a challenge for the kool aid drinkers. Show me stats that proofs we're the youngest defense in the big sky. 2. Explain the reason we only forced 6 punts in 7 games? Stats please, no assumptions. 3 show me a stat that we have such a tougher schedule versus our opponents, again stats no assumptions? Oregon has proofed to be not very good against anyone!

The reason you cry foul to stats is because you can't produce a positive one for this product, lol. I love this team, but if I hear another excuse why we're so bad, I'll pull my hair out. Oops, I'm bald, lol. Is the expectations that low at EWU? I don't believe so, I just think a few of you are just to much in love with the personalities, and either reality has slipped or you're exercising your rights and visiting the local cannabis store. hno: puff pass, lol!

"PEOPLE SAY THEY LOVE THE TRUTH, BUT IN REALITY THEY ALL WANT TO BELIVE THAT WHICH THEY LOVE IS TRUE"(RJ),

It's ok to love the team, but I call BS for rolling out this defensive product! It's embarrassing and it's going to be ugly- yet again if we make the playoffs. Our defense has surpassed our visiting side facilities as a laughing stock (side note: wow northern Colorado facilities looked awful and empty) :rofl: !

I think they have these players thinking too much, simplify the defense and let these athletes attack, defense is so complicated it's causing many to second guess themselves, from the view of my armchair seat . Turn them loose and get out of the freaking zone, I'd rather get beat being aggressive , then sitting in zone all the darn time! off my soap box! It's all good for discussion, but it's time to expect better and ask tough question and hold ourselves and program accountable, that's how we'll get better. :thumb:

Stats, no assumptions:

You know who has a really great defense? SUU. They don't need to make excuses either. The highest rated FCS offense they've face is SDSU at 50. They've also faced a DII and the 114th ranked offense in FBS (USU is ranked behind Wyoming! :rofl: ).

The #1 rated defense in all the land is Harvard and here's the total offense rankings for the schools they've faced:

URI 112
Brown 10
Georgetown 93
Cornell 86
Lafayette 105
Princeton 33

And guess the level of competition that Harvard's opponents have faced? :lol:

Since beginning conference play EWU is giving up 27 ppg and 417 ypg. Those numbers would rank us 62 in scoring defense and 79 in total. That's not against great competition, but Poly and ISU are at least the number 17 and 42 ranked teams in total offense.

Certainly signs the defense is improving.

No one can or is denying our defense has been bad, you just need to apply some realism when crowing about stats. Calling for changes is ignorant too. A bunch of you were calling for changes in scheme and a new DC before this year. Now we need to change again after 7 games in? Or perhaps we just need to tweak some things (I'll bet the coaching staff has never even considered that! :rofl: )

Arm chair indeed!

WOW- the only thing that's laughable is your extreme desire to be friends with meritocracy. It's just simply pitiful hno: . I've never witnessed a fan base that did so. It's almost have cult characteristics lol. Listen my fellow fan, I'm not talking about your mother,wife, or your relative. Stop letting your emotional cloud your rational thought. I'm not saying change now- I'm not an idiot. I'm saying change it after end of season. I think EWU may have too many people that's part of the problem and not solution. What would Montana fans say to a defense like this? Aww they're young, Awww we're injured? Heck no- They would be storming the castle, but maybe that's why their defenses are better than ours year after year. Sure you can explain that away by saying we beat them, but none the less, as far as defense is concerned- they're better than us- I'm not comfortable with that! And don't talk crap about Harvard- we would have our hands full my friend.

Put the Kool-laid down and slowly push back. DARE TO DEMAND EXCELLENCE- STOP BEING AN ENABLER. Just saying . In the end, WE have 1 National champion- so what. We'll NEVER get to NDST level with stand full of enablers. DARE TO DEMAND EXCELLENCE!

I wonder if my credit score was below 300, could I explain that away and still get s signature loan? I wonder if I got a 5% on my test, maybe the professor would understand my dog ate my homework? Better yet, If i completed only 3% of my work , I'm sure my boss would understand I was just tired. STOP! DARE TO DEMAND EXCELLENCE!

I'm done with the thread. My only point is to stop to ridicules talk about being young, injuries, etc. Our defense approach is broken. There are no facts that support anything but that.

If you want to be satisfied just beating the Big sky, have fun - but that won't fill the stands of any stadium for a long period. We need to get our defense to the level of the offense. Stop taking things personally and separate fact from fiction. We will NEVER get the national respect that NDST gets or the attendance of Montana, until this fan base raises its level of expectation. That includes supporting the program.As a matter of fact, I'm going to make T-shirts for myself and give the proceeds to the team

Maybe it's the Marine in me, but I get extremely unconformable being associated with anything that's mediocre or simply average. My kids were raised the same way. Mediocrity drives them crazy. I hope, one day, you start to feel uncomfortable with it too. Consider this a fan intervention, because we need it to shed this small town thinking and DARE TO DEMAND EXCELLENCE- Go EAGS!

 

[shane]

Not players no- but defensive scheme (for their schedule) ABSOLUTELY- NO QUESTION the data proofs it and all you have are assumptions based on nothing. HERE IS REALITY! We're the 3rd worst defense in the country PERIOD (versus our schedule). Stats are not perfect, but giving up over 500 yards every game is as solid as of state you'll get! I simply can't believe people try to explain that away. Most winning programs would have the torches out, lol. Would any other program, beside EWU tolerate such a poor performing defense? I'm just asking.

I have a challenge for the kool aid drinkers. Show me stats that proofs we're the youngest defense in the big sky. 2. Explain the reason we only forced 6 punts in 7 games? Stats please, no assumptions. 3 show me a stat that we have such a tougher schedule versus our opponents, again stats no assumptions? Oregon has proofed to be not very good against anyone!

The reason you cry foul to stats is because you can't produce a positive one for this product, lol. I love this team, but if I hear another excuse why we're so bad, I'll pull my hair out. Oops, I'm bald, lol. Is the expectations that low at EWU? I don't believe so, I just think a few of you are just to much in love with the personalities, and either reality has slipped or you're exercising your rights and visiting the local cannabis store. hno: puff pass, lol!

"PEOPLE SAY THEY LOVE THE TRUTH, BUT IN REALITY THEY ALL WANT TO BELIVE THAT WHICH THEY LOVE IS TRUE"(RJ),

It's ok to love the team, but I call BS for rolling out this defensive product! It's embarrassing and it's going to be ugly- yet again if we make the playoffs. Our defense has surpassed our visiting side facilities as a laughing stock (side note: wow northern Colorado facilities looked awful and empty) :rofl: !

I think they have these players thinking too much, simplify the defense and let these athletes attack, defense is so complicated it's causing many to second guess themselves, from the view of my armchair seat . Turn them loose and get out of the freaking zone, I'd rather get beat being aggressive , then sitting in zone all the darn time! off my soap box! It's all good for discussion, but it's time to expect better and ask tough question and hold ourselves and program accountable, that's how we'll get better. :thumb:

[/quote]

First time posting on here so hello everyone. Not trying to cause too much of a scene and not trying to defend the play of the defense but it bugs the hell out of me when I read posts on here that have such inaccurate stats. You say that we have only forced 6 punts total in 7 games? Well if you go look at the game logs on Goeags that is not even CLOSE to accurate. Just a few stats for you: @UNI 6 forced punts; @Sac St 7 forced punts; @No Co 5 forced punts.... you get the picture; more than 6 forced punts this season. Also, while the D may be allowing an AVERAGE of 500+ yds per game they are not necessarily "giving up over 500 yards every game". In fact, after a quick look, there have been at least 2 games where the D has held the opponent to under 400 yards of offense (Id St 386 and Sac St 359). Anyways, just a couple of quick clarifications #GoEags

 

[air045]

Not players no- but defensive scheme (for their schedule) ABSOLUTELY- NO QUESTION the data proofs it and all you have are assumptions based on nothing. HERE IS REALITY! We're the 3rd worst defense in the country PERIOD (versus our schedule). Stats are not perfect, but giving up over 500 yards every game is as solid as of state you'll get! I simply can't believe people try to explain that away. Most winning programs would have the torches out, lol. Would any other program, beside EWU tolerate such a poor performing defense? I'm just asking.

I have a challenge for the kool aid drinkers. Show me stats that proofs we're the youngest defense in the big sky. 2. Explain the reason we only forced 6 punts in 7 games? Stats please, no assumptions. 3 show me a stat that we have such a tougher schedule versus our opponents, again stats no assumptions? Oregon has proofed to be not very good against anyone!

The reason you cry foul to stats is because you can't produce a positive one for this product, lol. I love this team, but if I hear another excuse why we're so bad, I'll pull my hair out. Oops, I'm bald, lol. Is the expectations that low at EWU? I don't believe so, I just think a few of you are just to much in love with the personalities, and either reality has slipped or you're exercising your rights and visiting the local cannabis store. hno: puff pass, lol!

"PEOPLE SAY THEY LOVE THE TRUTH, BUT IN REALITY THEY ALL WANT TO BELIVE THAT WHICH THEY LOVE IS TRUE"(RJ),

It's ok to love the team, but I call BS for rolling out this defensive product! It's embarrassing and it's going to be ugly- yet again if we make the playoffs. Our defense has surpassed our visiting side facilities as a laughing stock (side note: wow northern Colorado facilities looked awful and empty) :rofl: !

I think they have these players thinking too much, simplify the defense and let these athletes attack, defense is so complicated it's causing many to second guess themselves, from the view of my armchair seat . Turn them loose and get out of the freaking zone, I'd rather get beat being aggressive , then sitting in zone all the darn time! off my soap box! It's all good for discussion, but it's time to expect better and ask tough question and hold ourselves and program accountable, that's how we'll get better. :thumb:

First time posting on here so hello everyone. Not trying to cause too much of a scene and not trying to defend the play of the defense but it bugs the hell out of me when I read posts on here that have such inaccurate stats. You say that we have only forced 6 punts total in 7 games? Well if you go look at the game logs on Goeags that is not even CLOSE to accurate. Just a few stats for you: @UNI 6 forced punts; @Sac St 7 forced punts; @No Co 5 forced punts.... you get the picture; more than 6 forced punts this season. Also, while the D may be allowing an AVERAGE of 500+ yds per game they are not necessarily "giving up over 500 yards every game". In fact, after a quick look, there have been at least 2 games where the D has held the opponent to under 400 yards of offense (Id St 386 and Sac St 359). Anyways, just a couple of quick clarifications #GoEags[/quote]


No problem, I said over 500 average per game

 

[93bird]

Fan intervention my ass. Most of us here have contributed to or watched our program's rise from obscurity decades ago. We don't need to be told what works. We've lived and watched it firsthand. I don't need the "commitment to excellence" speech from Hank Hill's Dad, either.

 

[air045]

Fan intervention my ass. Most of us here have contributed to or watched our program's rise from obscurity decades ago. We don't need to be told what works. We've lived and watched it firsthand. I don't need the "commitment to excellence" speech from Hank Hill's Dad, either.

hno: hno: really it's not that tragic, you're just another "I'm happy to be here fan" it's ok, don't take it personal. Challenging the status quo takes effort and courage, because you have to question all that you know to be true. It kinds of reminds me when I was 8th grade, I had this girlfriend. I was real proud of her, because i couldn't figure out why a girl so pretty would date an average Joe like me. Well one day, my eye doctor said i needed glasses and I got a pair. Well, when i wore those glasses to school, I quickly realized my assumption that my girlfriend was really pretty was completely wrong. hno:

Now that's where we're at. We have a great coach and offense, yet we have a defense that isn't performing at D1 level, in my opinion.

Also, you assume you're are the only one that's been following the program from the beginning- and you're wrong.

It's just football and it's healthy to openly discuss things, especially over a beer . No need for profanity it really isn't at that level and if you're uncomfortable with the reality, I'm sorry.

If we were at a bar would you cuss someone out who said something that stung? Reality kind of has that effect. Remember puff/pass and through it all- please remember- WE ALL love this team, it's not just yours and we all have the right to question the status quo.

This Saturday, I will be in the stands as ususal rooting the team one. If the defense comes with another poor scheme and lays a terd and performs at a sub par level, I'll throw up in mouth and insert a flask, as always. Nonetheless, I' root for them regardless, and I'll come home and wash the taste of mediocrity out from my mouth-

. GO EAGS!

 

[EWU98]

Wow this type of infighting usually doesn't take place until play-offs. We must be getting close
Go EAGS

 

[ewueagle2010]

By no means am I satisfied with our D being terrible, and I admit it's cost us a trip to the National Championship multiple times. However, I must ask the question, who has a dominant D at the FCS level? People have the perception that MVFC has dominant D's but I think it's more about playing against average offenses most of the season.

I'm not jumping off this EWU D yet, because I have seen improvement in each game so far this year. Doesn't mean they don't have a ways to go, because they do. But at the FCS level, I injuries are a huge factor and we've had a boat load of them.

 

[kalm]

Hello!! Didn't our "D" cause a fumble and recover around the 5 yard line when UNC was gonna score? That was big time at that point in the game.

good one :lol:




:




low. I'm not part of your


However, no way to explain away the worst stats in the country I would sum up our poor defense this way (keeping it real):

So you think that the majority of teams in the MEAC, SWAC, NEC, Patriot and Pioneer Leagues have defenses that are better than ours? Come on!

Not players no- but defensive scheme (for their schedule) ABSOLUTELY- NO QUESTION the data proofs it and all you have are assumptions based on nothing. HERE IS REALITY! We're the 3rd worst defense in the country PERIOD (versus our schedule). Stats are not perfect, but giving up over 500 yards every game is as solid as of state you'll get! I simply can't believe people try to explain that away. Most winning programs would have the torches out, lol. Would any other program, beside EWU tolerate such a poor performing defense? I'm just asking.

I have a challenge for the kool aid drinkers. Show me stats that proofs we're the youngest defense in the big sky. 2. Explain the reason we only forced 6 punts in 7 games? Stats please, no assumptions. 3 show me a stat that we have such a tougher schedule versus our opponents, again stats no assumptions? Oregon has proofed to be not very good against anyone!

The reason you cry foul to stats is because you can't produce a positive one for this product, lol. I love this team, but if I hear another excuse why we're so bad, I'll pull my hair out. Oops, I'm bald, lol. Is the expectations that low at EWU? I don't believe so, I just think a few of you are just to much in love with the personalities, and either reality has slipped or you're exercising your rights and visiting the local cannabis store. hno: puff pass, lol!

"PEOPLE SAY THEY LOVE THE TRUTH, BUT IN REALITY THEY ALL WANT TO BELIVE THAT WHICH THEY LOVE IS TRUE"(RJ),

It's ok to love the team, but I call BS for rolling out this defensive product! It's embarrassing and it's going to be ugly- yet again if we make the playoffs. Our defense has surpassed our visiting side facilities as a laughing stock (side note: wow northern Colorado facilities looked awful and empty) :rofl: !

I think they have these players thinking too much, simplify the defense and let these athletes attack, defense is so complicated it's causing many to second guess themselves, from the view of my armchair seat . Turn them loose and get out of the freaking zone, I'd rather get beat being aggressive , then sitting in zone all the darn time! off my soap box! It's all good for discussion, but it's time to expect better and ask tough question and hold ourselves and program accountable, that's how we'll get better. :thumb:

Stats, no assumptions:

You know who has a really great defense? SUU. They don't need to make excuses either. The highest rated FCS offense they've face is SDSU at 50. They've also faced a DII and the 114th ranked offense in FBS (USU is ranked behind Wyoming! :rofl: ).

The #1 rated defense in all the land is Harvard and here's the total offense rankings for the schools they've faced:

URI 112
Brown 10
Georgetown 93
Cornell 86
Lafayette 105
Princeton 33

And guess the level of competition that Harvard's opponents have faced? :lol:

Since beginning conference play EWU is giving up 27 ppg and 417 ypg. Those numbers would rank us 62 in scoring defense and 79 in total. That's not against great competition, but Poly and ISU are at least the number 17 and 42 ranked teams in total offense.

Certainly signs the defense is improving.

No one can or is denying our defense has been bad, you just need to apply some realism when crowing about stats. Calling for changes is ignorant too. A bunch of you were calling for changes in scheme and a new DC before this year. Now we need to change again after 7 games in? Or perhaps we just need to tweak some things (I'll bet the coaching staff has never even considered that! :rofl: )

Arm chair indeed!

WOW- the only thing that's laughable is your extreme desire to be friends with meritocracy. It's just simply pitiful hno: . I've never witnessed a fan base that did so. It's almost have cult characteristics lol. Listen my fellow fan, I'm not talking about your mother,wife, or your relative. Stop letting your emotional cloud your rational thought. I'm not saying change now- I'm not an idiot. I'm saying change it after end of season. I think EWU may have too many people that's part of the problem and not solution. What would Montana fans say to a defense like this? Aww they're young, Awww we're injured? Heck no- They would be storming the castle, but maybe that's why their defenses are better than ours year after year. Sure you can explain that away by saying we beat them, but none the less, as far as defense is concerned- they're better than us- I'm not comfortable with that! And don't talk crap about Harvard- we would have our hands full my friend.

Put the Kool-laid down and slowly push back. DARE TO DEMAND EXCELLENCE- STOP BEING AN ENABLER. Just saying . In the end, WE have 1 National champion- so what. We'll NEVER get to NDST level with stand full of enablers. DARE TO DEMAND EXCELLENCE!

I wonder if my credit score was below 300, could I explain that away and still get s signature loan? I wonder if I got a 5% on my test, maybe the professor would understand my dog ate my homework? Better yet, If i completed only 3% of my work , I'm sure my boss would understand I was just tired. STOP! DARE TO DEMAND EXCELLENCE!

I'm done with the thread. My only point is to stop to ridicules talk about being young, injuries, etc. Our defense approach is broken. There are no facts that support anything but that.

If you want to be satisfied just beating the Big sky, have fun - but that won't fill the stands of any stadium for a long period. We need to get our defense to the level of the offense. Stop taking things personally and separate fact from fiction. We will NEVER get the national respect that NDST gets or the attendance of Montana, until this fan base raises its level of expectation. That includes supporting the program.As a matter of fact, I'm going to make T-shirts for myself and give the proceeds to the team

Maybe it's the Marine in me, but I get extremely unconformable being associated with anything that's mediocre or simply average. My kids were raised the same way. Mediocrity drives them crazy. I hope, one day, you start to feel uncomfortable with it too. Consider this a fan intervention, because we need it to shed this small town thinking and DARE TO DEMAND EXCELLENCE- Go EAGS!

Way to dodge my point about your stats. :roll:

I'll take small town thinking and profanity any day over these weak ass attempts. :kisswink:

 

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I don't feel like anyone who questions what our team does to be less of a fan. Nor do I consider someone who takes it as it is without question less of a fan either. This is a message board, where we've got nothing to do but debate.

No reason to turn it into e-griz where everyone is all bitchy and upset.