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[air045]

By no means am I satisfied with our D being terrible, and I admit it's cost us a trip to the National Championship multiple times. However, I must ask the question, who has a dominant D at the FCS level? People have the perception that MVFC has dominant D's but I think it's more about playing against average offenses most of the season.

I'm not jumping off this EWU D yet, because I have seen improvement in each game so far this year. Doesn't mean they don't have a ways to go, because they do. But at the FCS level, I injuries are a huge factor and we've had a boat load of them.

Agree, and I'm not expecting a dominant D either. Just not 120th- I would hope an expectation would be a top 25 defense, with the athletes we get. We have a lot of two star athletes on the roster, that would be an reasonable expectation, i would think,

 

[LDopaPDX]

By no means am I satisfied with our D being terrible, and I admit it's cost us a trip to the National Championship multiple times. However, I must ask the question, who has a dominant D at the FCS level? People have the perception that MVFC has dominant D's but I think it's more about playing against average offenses most of the season.

I'm not jumping off this EWU D yet, because I have seen improvement in each game so far this year. Doesn't mean they don't have a ways to go, because they do. But at the FCS level, I injuries are a huge factor and we've had a boat load of them.

Agree, and I'm not expecting a dominant D either. Just not 120th- I would hope an expectation would be a top 25 defense, with the athletes we get. We have a lot of two star athletes on the roster, that would be an reasonable expectation, i would think,

One of our big problems since 2010 has been our epidemic levels of injuries. Some of that is bad luck, but I think at this point you have to do some soul searching and figure out why we tend to have far more players out than other teams. What are we doing differently that causes us to lose players so often? I don't know the answer to that.

 

[EWURanger]

Good discussion, fellas, and all pretty valid points. I'm not trying to make excuses for the performance of our D or sugar coat anything. I think it just depends on how you interpret raw data.

The bottom line is that our defense has been poor when you compare it to schools with similar schedules within the premier FCS conferences (MVFC, CAA, Big Sky, SOCON, etc), but when you put it into the context of the 123 or however many teams there are within the FCS, it's probably more in the realm of "average". Some of these conferences are Division I in name only, and play schedules that are not even comparable to the level of competition we've faced so far.

Data is a good indicator of where we stand with our peers, but you have to kind of take it with a grain of salt when you put it into context of the entire 123 team FCS.

One thing we can all agree on is that it will need to improve for EWU to make any kind of noise in the playoffs.

After we get blown out again in the playoffs, we need to bring a DC in from outside, who knows how to fix it.

Disagree with this. Yeah, we got our butts kicked by Illinois State last year, but other than that game, we've never been blown out in the playoffs in recent history...maybe not even ever. I didn't include games played before 2004, but the results are similar.

W 11-27-2004 35 Southern Illinois 31 Carbondale, IL Division I-AA 1st Round Playoff Game
L 12-04-2004 34 Sam Houston St. (TX) 35 Cheney, WA Division I-AA Quarterfinal Playoff Game
L 11-26-2005 38 Northern Iowa 41 Cedar Falls, IA Division I-AA 1st Round Playoff Game
W 11-24-2007 44 McNeese St. (LA) 15 Lake Charles, LA Division I-AA 1st Round Playoff Game
L 12-01-2007 35 Appalachian St. (NC) 38 Boone, NC Division I-AA Quarterfinal Playoff Game
L 11-28-2009 33 Stephen F. Austin (TX) 44 Nacogdoches, TX Division I-AA 1st Round Playoff
W 12-04-2010 37 Southeast Missouri St. 17 Cheney, WA Division I-AA 2nd Round Playoff Game
W 12-11-2010 38 North Dakota St. 31 Cheney, WA Division I-AA Quarterfinal Playoff Game
W 12-17-2010 41 Villanova (PA) 31 Cheney, WA Division I-AA Semifinal Playoff Game
W 01-07-2011 20 Delaware 19 Frisco, TX Division I-AA Championship Game
W 12-01-2012 29 Wagner (NY) 19 Cheney, WA Division I-AA 2nd Round Playoff Game
W 12-08-2012 51 Illinois St. 35 Cheney, WA Division I-AA Quarterfinal Playoff Game
L 12-15-2012 42 Sam Houston St. (TX) 45 Cheney, WA Division I-AA Semifinal Playoff Game
W 12-07-2013 41 South Dakota St. 17 Cheney, WA Division I-AA 2nd Round Playoff Game
W 12-14-2013 35 Jacksonville St. (AL) 24 Cheney, WA Division I-AA Quarterfinal Playoff Game
L 12-21-2013 31 Towson (MD) 35 Cheney, WA Division I-AA Semifinal Playoff Game
W 12-06-2014 37 Montana 20 Cheney, WA Division I-AA 2nd Round Playoff Game - Roos Field
L 12-13-2014 46 Illinois St. 59 Cheney, WA Division I-AA Quarterfinal Playoff Game - Roos Field

With the exception of last year's game, zero games where we've been blown out. On the other hand, we've blown a lot of teams out.

 

[EWUeag]

I don't feel like anyone who questions what our team does to be less of a fan. Nor do I consider someone who takes it as it is without question less of a fan either. This is a message board, where we've got nothing to do but debate.

No reason to turn it into e-griz where everyone is all bitchy and upset.

This :nod:

 

[air045]

Good discussion, fellas, and all pretty valid points. I'm not trying to make excuses for the performance of our D or sugar coat anything. I think it just depends on how you interpret raw data.

The bottom line is that our defense has been poor when you compare it to schools with similar schedules within the premier FCS conferences (MVFC, CAA, Big Sky, SOCON, etc), but when you put it into the context of the 123 or however many teams there are within the FCS, it's probably more in the realm of "average". Some of these conferences are Division I in name only, and play schedules that are not even comparable to the level of competition we've faced so far.

Data is a good indicator of where we stand with our peers, but you have to kind of take it with a grain of salt when you put it into context of the entire 123 team FCS.

One thing we can all agree on is that it will need to improve for EWU to make any kind of noise in the playoffs.

After we get blown out again in the playoffs, we need to bring a DC in from outside, who knows how to fix it.

Disagree with this. Yeah, we got our butts kicked by Illinois State last year, but other than that game, we've never been blown out in the playoffs in recent history...maybe not even ever. I didn't include games played before 2004, but the results are similar.

W 11-27-2004 35 Southern Illinois 31 Carbondale, IL Division I-AA 1st Round Playoff Game
L 12-04-2004 34 Sam Houston St. (TX) 35 Cheney, WA Division I-AA Quarterfinal Playoff Game
L 11-26-2005 38 Northern Iowa 41 Cedar Falls, IA Division I-AA 1st Round Playoff Game
W 11-24-2007 44 McNeese St. (LA) 15 Lake Charles, LA Division I-AA 1st Round Playoff Game
L 12-01-2007 35 Appalachian St. (NC) 38 Boone, NC Division I-AA Quarterfinal Playoff Game
L 11-28-2009 33 Stephen F. Austin (TX) 44 Nacogdoches, TX Division I-AA 1st Round Playoff
W 12-04-2010 37 Southeast Missouri St. 17 Cheney, WA Division I-AA 2nd Round Playoff Game
W 12-11-2010 38 North Dakota St. 31 Cheney, WA Division I-AA Quarterfinal Playoff Game
W 12-17-2010 41 Villanova (PA) 31 Cheney, WA Division I-AA Semifinal Playoff Game
W 01-07-2011 20 Delaware 19 Frisco, TX Division I-AA Championship Game
W 12-01-2012 29 Wagner (NY) 19 Cheney, WA Division I-AA 2nd Round Playoff Game
W 12-08-2012 51 Illinois St. 35 Cheney, WA Division I-AA Quarterfinal Playoff Game
L 12-15-2012 42 Sam Houston St. (TX) 45 Cheney, WA Division I-AA Semifinal Playoff Game
W 12-07-2013 41 South Dakota St. 17 Cheney, WA Division I-AA 2nd Round Playoff Game
W 12-14-2013 35 Jacksonville St. (AL) 24 Cheney, WA Division I-AA Quarterfinal Playoff Game
L 12-21-2013 31 Towson (MD) 35 Cheney, WA Division I-AA Semifinal Playoff Game
W 12-06-2014 37 Montana 20 Cheney, WA Division I-AA 2nd Round Playoff Game - Roos Field
L 12-13-2014 46 Illinois St. 59 Cheney, WA Division I-AA Quarterfinal Playoff Game - Roos Field

With the exception of last year's game, zero games where we've been blown out. On the other hand, we've blown a lot of teams out.

Well buty kick was an emotionally charge statement- agreed. And yes, I agree, we have a large amount of injury issues, and I might as well pull the next scab-

The lack of a training table at EWU. I do believe that the lack of proper monitored nutritional support has an effect on student athletes. How much? I don't know, but it would be an interesting case study. I bet many fans don't realize that we have athletes that go to bed hungry at times. I know this to be fact and already voiced my level of disappointment to whomever would listen . It's not just an EWU issue, it's widespread throughout D1 FCS.

Imagine this, we have the players sharing eating less in order to share meal plans with those who have none. That is fact. In some isolated cases, some fend for them selves and some have challenges getting the correct nutrition. Yet we line up them up on the football field for punishment every Saturday.


Now that being said, I know this coaching staff is doing whatever they can to monitor players going hungry, but they only allowed to do so much, per rules.
YEP it's another scab, so might as well peel that one next. Another embarrassing fact that NCAA athletics generate so much money and yet some BIG sky student athletes don't get at least 3 meals a day . hno: hno: hno:


PS : Profanity was invented as a compromise between running away and facing reality. And don't let Small town living make your expectations small, just keeping it real!

 

[EWUeag]

Not to mention the food in the PUB when I was there was just plain bad. My Mom is no chef, but good god I missed her dry chicken while I was in the dorms.

 

[clawman1]

The lack of a training table at EWU. I do believe that the lack of proper monitored nutritional support has an effect on student athletes. How much? I don't know, but it would be an interesting case study. I bet many fans don't realize that we have athletes that go to bed hungry at times.

Now that being said, I know this coaching staff is doing whatever they can to monitor players going hungry, but they only allowed to do so much, per rules.
YEP it's another scab, so might as well peel that one next. Another embarrassing fact that NCAA athletics generate so much money and yet some BIG sky student athletes don't get at least 3 meals a day . hno: hno: hno:

I have checked into the training table issue and you do not know what you are talking about!

 

[kalm]

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[kalm]

Good discussion, fellas, and all pretty valid points. I'm not trying to make excuses for the performance of our D or sugar coat anything. I think it just depends on how you interpret raw data.

The bottom line is that our defense has been poor when you compare it to schools with similar schedules within the premier FCS conferences (MVFC, CAA, Big Sky, SOCON, etc), but when you put it into the context of the 123 or however many teams there are within the FCS, it's probably more in the realm of "average". Some of these conferences are Division I in name only, and play schedules that are not even comparable to the level of competition we've faced so far.

Data is a good indicator of where we stand with our peers, but you have to kind of take it with a grain of salt when you put it into context of the entire 123 team FCS.

One thing we can all agree on is that it will need to improve for EWU to make any kind of noise in the playoffs.

After we get blown out again in the playoffs, we need to bring a DC in from outside, who knows how to fix it.

Disagree with this. Yeah, we got our butts kicked by Illinois State last year, but other than that game, we've never been blown out in the playoffs in recent history...maybe not even ever. I didn't include games played before 2004, but the results are similar.

W 11-27-2004 35 Southern Illinois 31 Carbondale, IL Division I-AA 1st Round Playoff Game
L 12-04-2004 34 Sam Houston St. (TX) 35 Cheney, WA Division I-AA Quarterfinal Playoff Game
L 11-26-2005 38 Northern Iowa 41 Cedar Falls, IA Division I-AA 1st Round Playoff Game
W 11-24-2007 44 McNeese St. (LA) 15 Lake Charles, LA Division I-AA 1st Round Playoff Game
L 12-01-2007 35 Appalachian St. (NC) 38 Boone, NC Division I-AA Quarterfinal Playoff Game
L 11-28-2009 33 Stephen F. Austin (TX) 44 Nacogdoches, TX Division I-AA 1st Round Playoff
W 12-04-2010 37 Southeast Missouri St. 17 Cheney, WA Division I-AA 2nd Round Playoff Game
W 12-11-2010 38 North Dakota St. 31 Cheney, WA Division I-AA Quarterfinal Playoff Game
W 12-17-2010 41 Villanova (PA) 31 Cheney, WA Division I-AA Semifinal Playoff Game
W 01-07-2011 20 Delaware 19 Frisco, TX Division I-AA Championship Game
W 12-01-2012 29 Wagner (NY) 19 Cheney, WA Division I-AA 2nd Round Playoff Game
W 12-08-2012 51 Illinois St. 35 Cheney, WA Division I-AA Quarterfinal Playoff Game
L 12-15-2012 42 Sam Houston St. (TX) 45 Cheney, WA Division I-AA Semifinal Playoff Game
W 12-07-2013 41 South Dakota St. 17 Cheney, WA Division I-AA 2nd Round Playoff Game
W 12-14-2013 35 Jacksonville St. (AL) 24 Cheney, WA Division I-AA Quarterfinal Playoff Game
L 12-21-2013 31 Towson (MD) 35 Cheney, WA Division I-AA Semifinal Playoff Game
W 12-06-2014 37 Montana 20 Cheney, WA Division I-AA 2nd Round Playoff Game - Roos Field
L 12-13-2014 46 Illinois St. 59 Cheney, WA Division I-AA Quarterfinal Playoff Game - Roos Field

With the exception of last year's game, zero games where we've been blown out. On the other hand, we've blown a lot of teams out.

Well buty kick was an emotionally charge statement- agreed. And yes, I agree, we have a large amount of injury issues, and I might as well pull the next scab-

The lack of a training table at EWU. I do believe that the lack of proper monitored nutritional support has an effect on student athletes. How much? I don't know, but it would be an interesting case study. I bet many fans don't realize that we have athletes that go to bed hungry at times. I know this to be fact and already voiced my level of disappointment to whomever would listen . It's not just an EWU issue, it's widespread throughout D1 FCS.

Imagine this, we have the players sharing eating less in order to share meal plans with those who have none. That is fact. In some isolated cases, some fend for them selves and some have challenges getting the correct nutrition. Yet we line up them up on the football field for punishment every Saturday.


Now that being said, I know this coaching staff is doing whatever they can to monitor players going hungry, but they only allowed to do so much, per rules.
YEP it's another scab, so might as well peel that one next. Another embarrassing fact that NCAA athletics generate so much money and yet some BIG sky student athletes don't get at least 3 meals a day . hno: hno: hno:


PS : Profanity was invented as a compromise between running away and facing reality. And don't let Small town living make your expectations small, just keeping it real!

The only issue with a training table is if it puts us at a disadvantage with our competition...especially conference foes and schools we're recruiting against. I'm all on board in donating funds towards that end.

Otherwise, get a summer job and watch your spending. You have to actually work to go without food in this country.

We don't want you soft like some big city nancy who's afraid of cursing or a Griz fan on a decent troll.

 

[air045]

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[kalm]

The lack of a training table at EWU. I do believe that the lack of proper monitored nutritional support has an effect on student athletes. How much? I don't know, but it would be an interesting case study. I bet many fans don't realize that we have athletes that go to bed hungry at times.

Now that being said, I know this coaching staff is doing whatever they can to monitor players going hungry, but they only allowed to do so much, per rules.
YEP it's another scab, so might as well peel that one next. Another embarrassing fact that NCAA athletics generate so much money and yet some BIG sky student athletes don't get at least 3 meals a day . hno: hno: hno:

I have checked into the training table issue and you do not know what you are talking about!

Sorry Mr. the only one who don't know what they're talking about is YOU! You have been stuck in this isslusional third deminsion for sometime know. Puff/pass :shock:

I don't have to check, my fiend I've lived it and saw it up close and real. So the next time you attack someone's credibility have facts Sir. :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: Or would you like to cuss as well! hno: hno: hno: Small town thinkers kill me! Why can't people have discussions with humility- you just may not know about everything that goes on and learn something. I look for the opportunities every day myself and I wouldn't just make something like that up. hno: hno:


Instead of sitting in your world of denial, invite players over for meal- (if you don't already). Vic does an outstanding job and i did a few myself. Puff/Pass

:lol: :clap:

 

[air045]

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[clawman1]

Pot, meet kettle!

 

[tomq04]

So serious question....are students (let alone atheletes) at EWU seriously not getting 3 meals a day regularly?

How do we help with this?

 

[air045]

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[kalm]

Up early I see.

 

[DPEagle83]

Nutrition plays a huge role in athletic performance, getting stronger, faster etc. I'm sure the athletes get plenty of guidance on eating right on a trip through Tawanka.
One thing that popped into my mind when it seemed like we had a high number of concussions, was maybe we had a more rigorous protocol and erred farther on the safety side. That's not necessarily a bad thing.