ISU Must Win Game!

[Webergrad02]

I am not sure where the disconnect is. I went back and watched a play from Saturday that had me confused as to our coaching. With over a minute left and a one point lead, we go into limit possession mode. The ball gets stripped from Hill and goes out of bounds with 2.7 seconds on the shot clock. We call time out to draw up the play right? After the timeout, the ball goes to a heavily defended Golden in the corner. He dribbles it four times and throws it back to Hill who was hanging out by the 3 point line watching. The shot clock expired before Hill got the ball off. Was that really the play call? There was not time for the dribbling. No one else appeared to be cutting.

We would not have won without Hill or Golden. But, there just really seems to be a disconnect somewhere. You have to run scenarios like that in practice.

 

[oldrunner]

The disconnect was Golden forgetting what he was told in the huddle. When the shot clock shows 2 it means there is more than two, but less than 3 seconds left to shoot. You have time for a pass and a shot, but no time for dribbling, unless it is dribble to shoot. Golden heard all of that in the huddle, but didn't take it to the floor. I think that everyone was a little perplexed by that. Golden does not seem real comfortable playing as the #1 guard. He is forced into it with Senglin's injury. I'm sure that Golden was just as frustrated by his lapse as anyone else. It didn't cost us the game.

 

[SWWeatherCat]

...and that is certainly not the first head-scratcher for Weber coming out of a timeout.

Just this morning, a coworker who lives in South Ogden and graduated from Ogden High School and USU, asked if I was at the game Saturday night. I said I was, and he said he watched it because it was on T.V.. He asked, "what is the deal with 4 WSU players standing on the 3pt line, doing absolutely nothing?" I told him I've wondered the same thing all season and that it seems a coaching adjustment could correct that unless it's the coaches call to begin with. He said, " I hope Utah State isn't stupid and doesn't try to get Rahe to come to Logan." hno:

I'm glad others are seeing what I feel to be coaching deficiencies and it's not just me bitching for no good reason.

 

[Da Bears]

The disconnect was Golden forgetting what he was told in the huddle. When the shot clock shows 2 it means there is more than two, but less than 3 seconds left to shoot. You have time for a pass and a shot, but no time for dribbling, unless it is dribble to shoot. Golden heard all of that in the huddle, but didn't take it to the floor. I think that everyone was a little perplexed by that. Golden does not seem real comfortable playing as the #1 guard. He is forced into it with Senglin's injury. I'm sure that Golden was just as frustrated by his lapse as anyone else. It didn't cost us the game.

We make a lot of excuses for these guys. The season almost at an end. You'd think by now they'd have this figured out. Something isn't right this season. its time to hold players accountable and stop making excuses. The only thing that frustrates Golden is not getting enough shots! :lol: :lol:

 

[Midmajor??]

Season is almost over...... can't say that I'm sad! I'm not going to cheer a victory against ISU since I expect Weber to beat ISU. Its hard to watch Weber play...... the chucking up 3's and not seeming to have a game plan is just awful. I cringed overtime Golden made a shot because I thought it might convince Rahe to keep him here.

I hate being negative, but I'm punch drunk from watching Solarin beat the crap out of us inside!

 

[SWeberCat02]

He asked, "what is the deal with 4 WSU players standing on the 3pt line, doing absolutely nothing?" I told him I've wondered the same thing all season and that it seems a coaching adjustment could correct that unless it's the coaches call to begin with.

I watched several of the state tournament HS games this past week and most of the teams I watched had much better movement than Weber.

 

[n.ogdencat]

Weber got extremely lucky getting a W on Saturday night. With how bad the Cats have been from outside it was fortunate that the Cats were able to get that many triples to fall. I had this pointed out to me by a friend yesterday, that the Cats primarily ran the same play the entire half (4-out); thanks to the cards we all know what that means. 4 guys camped out, standing still, beyond the 3pt line. There was absolutely no attempts to get the ball inside either by passing or dribbling. No penetration, no change from the offensive outlook, nothing. It was pathetic. Yes, I know...Weber doesn't have its starting point guard, but it does have, as Rahe has said before, the most pure PG he has ever had since getting the gig here at Weber on the bench. You'd think he would have played him more. The other thing that was frustrating was that the Cats got their lead in the first half because they forced the game into an up-tempo track meet. The Bengals were getting some easy looks but at the speed the game was going, there was no way offensively that they could have kept the pace. Proof is the half-time score. Yes, it was a sloppy affair, but it favored the Cats, and most importantly it fits the style of play for the players we've recruited. Interested?? What really caught me off guard was that we had a great transition play going on and coach slows them down so that they can look at Dufts crap card. Totally TICKED me off big time. We had a 4 on 2 and the coach slows down the team to allow the other team to set up their defense. WTF??

 

[n.ogdencat]

He asked, "what is the deal with 4 WSU players standing on the 3pt line, doing absolutely nothing?" I told him I've wondered the same thing all season and that it seems a coaching adjustment could correct that unless it's the coaches call to begin with.

I watched several of the state tournament HS games this past week and most of the teams I watched had much better movement than Weber.

HELL OF A LOT OF TALENT on those teams too. Why are we so obsessed with Texas?? Most of those guys never got a shake from the Cats. Really glad we got Riley Court. He has got to be in the top 5 in the state. Would have loved to have gotten Jesse Wade. Maybe after his mission. :roll: I'm sure BYU will be recruiting him from the time he enters the MTC till he comes home and signs a LOI. Gotta love that system they have down there in Provo. But the kid from Layton was never approached. Ugh!!

 

[SWeberCat02]

He asked, "what is the deal with 4 WSU players standing on the 3pt line, doing absolutely nothing?" I told him I've wondered the same thing all season and that it seems a coaching adjustment could correct that unless it's the coaches call to begin with.

I watched several of the state tournament HS games this past week and most of the teams I watched had much better movement than Weber.

HELL OF A LOT OF TALENT on those teams too. Why are we so obsessed with Texas?? Most of those guys never got a shake from the Cats. Really glad we got Riley Court. He has got to be in the top 5 in the state. Would have loved to have gotten Jesse Wade. Maybe after his mission. :roll: I'm sure BYU will be recruiting him from the time he enters the MTC till he comes home and signs a LOI. Gotta love that system they have down there in Provo. But the kid from Layton was never approached. Ugh!!

Ask Roy HS's head coach what he thinks of Weber's lack of effort in recruiting local kids.

 

[Webergrad02]

Some of these local kids are the blue color type talent that we need.

 

[SWWeatherCat]

He asked, "what is the deal with 4 WSU players standing on the 3pt line, doing absolutely nothing?" I told him I've wondered the same thing all season and that it seems a coaching adjustment could correct that unless it's the coaches call to begin with.

I watched several of the state tournament HS games this past week and most of the teams I watched had much better movement than Weber.

HELL OF A LOT OF TALENT on those teams too. Why are we so obsessed with Texas?? Most of those guys never got a shake from the Cats. Really glad we got Riley Court. He has got to be in the top 5 in the state. Would have loved to have gotten Jesse Wade. Maybe after his mission. :roll: I'm sure BYU will be recruiting him from the time he enters the MTC till he comes home and signs a LOI. Gotta love that system they have down there in Provo. But the kid from Layton was never approached. Ugh!!

Ask Roy HS's head coach what he thinks of Weber's lack of effort in recruiting local kids.

Not all that long ago-- I think last year's state playoffs-- I was laughed at for suggesting that Weber wasn't competitive enough with in-state recruiting. I think I specifically mentioned Roy. I was basically asked why Weber would care about in-state recruits when they are doing so well with high star recruits from TX and AZ. I guess some of it depends on how a coaching staff plans to use and/or teach the kids because I definitely see talent in the state of UT. Maybe more importantly, though, is that Weber stays more in-line with the big 3 if they can successfully recruit the state they reside in. I'm excited to see how Court pans out in a few years.

 

[SWWeatherCat]

Some of these local kids are the blue color type talent that we need.

I certainly agree IF the system/coaching style supports that type of talent. Rahe seems in love with the 3-- positions 1 thru 5-- as well as the one-on-two/three drives into the paint. Neither seems to match blue collar type talent.

 

[SWeberCat02]

I understand that it's difficult to get the best talent away from Utah, BYU, and USU, but at least act like you are trying. I know Chapman was a long shot, but Weber never even contacted him.

 

[oldrunner]

02;

That is not the story I got on his recruitment. I was told that we did contact him early on, and that we were told that there was NO interest in WSU. At that point, it is fruitless to continue the conversation. One of us was lied to. :yikes:

 

[SWeberCat02]

02;

That is not the story I got on his recruitment. I was told that we did contact him early on, and that we were told that there was NO interest in WSU. At that point, it is fruitless to continue the conversation. One of us was lied to. :yikes:

You are probably correct about being contacted. Just know the Roy coach was complaining that Weber couldn't even spend a couple hours to make a visit. Like I said, I know it's a big challenge to recruit with the other in-state schools, but you might have a shot if you recruit early and stay with it. That's what happened with Loveridge and he actually considered Weber. Plus, it sends a message to other in-state recruits that Weber actually wants in-state players.

 

[SWeberCat02]

But the kid from Layton was never approached. Ugh!!

Would like to know the story with Blackmon. He had at least four offers, including one from Montana. Why no interest from Weber?

 

[Webergrad02]

Some of these local kids are the blue color type talent that we need.

I certainly agree IF the system/coaching style supports that type of talent. Rahe seems in love with the 3-- positions 1 thru 5-- as well as the one-on-two/three drives into the paint. Neither seems to match blue collar type talent.

I know Olds and maybe some others will disagree. But things aren't working like they used to. We have always liked the 3 ball but not from every position. A long time fan said to me on Saturday that the way our players avoid the paint you would think it was poisoned. If Golden is getting told the play and not executing, we need to bench his butt.

I am glad we gutted out a tough win on Saturday. But I don't get how you let Solarin get so many easy lay ups. He still got a few in the second half, and I just wonder where the adjustment is.

 

[PURPLEFORLIFE]

Some of these local kids are the blue color type talent that we need.

I certainly agree IF the system/coaching style supports that type of talent. Rahe seems in love with the 3-- positions 1 thru 5-- as well as the one-on-two/three drives into the paint. Neither seems to match blue collar type talent.

I know Olds and maybe some others will disagree. But things aren't working like they used to. We have always liked the 3 ball but not from every position. A long time fan said to me on Saturday that the way our players avoid the paint you would think it was poisoned. If Golden is getting told the play and not executing, we need to bench his butt.

I am glad we gutted out a tough win on Saturday. But I don't get how you let Solarin get so many easy lay ups. He still got a few in the second half, and I just wonder where the adjustment is.

Bolomboy is soft like warm butter. Solarin knifed right through him all night Saturday. Evans knew his best shot at beating Weber was to take the ball into the paint. Attacking the rim against Weber will equal easy looks at the basket. Joel has never been a tough defender. He is a hell of a rebounder and does a decent job at swatting shots, but staying in front of his man and keep him out of the paint is definitely not his forte.

 

[SWWeatherCat]

02;

That is not the story I got on his recruitment. I was told that we did contact him early on, and that we were told that there was NO interest in WSU. At that point, it is fruitless to continue the conversation. One of us was lied to. :yikes:

FWIW: My Brother-In-Law knows Chapman from coaching him for five years in Rec & Comp. He says Weber showed no interest in him.

 

[PURPLEFORLIFE]

From what I heard Weber never made contact with Champman, but then again the reason could have been that they didn't think he was tough enough and also, Weber had a lock on a solid big named Zach Braxton. Chapman has made significant progress because of LK. Remember he is one of the top bigmen to come from the Big Sky. He knows how to develop a bigman. I don't see anyone on our current staff who could help our bigmen anywhere near what LK can.