Kupp rumor

[marceagfan5]

Have any of you heard a rumor about Kupp following Adams and joining Oregon? The first time I heard it at school today I did not think much of it but now I am hearing it from a couple people. This would be devastating for us but those two would tear up the Pac12 in a huge way.

I hope it is not true

Judging from some of his recent tweets I don't think there is any weight to this rumor.

He could transfer somewhere for his Senior season like Adams did I suppose, but it won't happen in 2015. I also thinking playing with his brother his Senior year would trump anything else.

Cooper is an absolute class act, we are lucky to have him. I doubt he goes anywhere next year unless he takes a shot in the Draft. He will go down as an all timer at EWU, VA however really hurt his legacy by transferring....

 

[kalm]

Kupp is just as good as anything the ducks currently have, you obviously have not watched him play or you would not say things like this.

LOL. Sorry, I was trying to make you feel better about holding on to your receiver. If you actually want someone to come and take him, I can try calling the Oregon coaches. I'm just saying that in general, they are not in the market for more receivers at the moment. There is already a glut of highly-rated ones on the team.

Yes...Oregon is practically WR U! :lol:

 

[dudeitsaid]

Its not a loophole, the idea is that if a player still has eligible time and is done with his original commitment and finished college. He then is open to continue his education and continue his life. VA is using this opportunity to go to school at a better university and open more career options for him. Just so happens that his main career path right now is football. He's doing exactly what the ncaa wanted with this rule. Continue his career path at a better location for what he wants to do.

Loophole - A loophole is an ambiguity or inadequacy in a system, such as a law or security, which can be used to circumvent or otherwise avoid the intent, implied or explicitly stated, of the system.

According our AD, this rule is not being applied with the intent in which it was written. And, you seem to understand the rule properly, that it is meant to provide and opportunity for a student to better their education by pursuing a graduate degree that is not offered in the current university. I've listened to, and read several statements by VA. And not once have I heard him mention pursuing further education. Instead, VA and UO are using this rule to get him to play football. This is all about his dream to play in the Pac-12, and get a better opportunity to make it to the NFL. To me, it doesn't sound like he has any intent on completing his graduate degree, and I presume he will instead declare for the draft. I don't blame him at all. But I also see this for what it is, both parties exploiting a loophole for their benefit at the expense of our school that invested four years of education and provided him a degree.

 

[grizfnz]

So I dont understand how this is a 'loophole.' We got Bo Levi, and Kyle Padron from SMU. How is this any different? Other than the fact that they moved down, while VA moved up.

Just very curious.

they both had two years of eligibility remaining when they transferred. this is a different rule regarding transfers.

Josh Blankenship was the one year hired gun. Of course that was before the NCAA required a minimum of 2 years of eligibility. Good thing there wasn't an eagle forum back then, I can only imagine the outrage that would have been expressed

 

[grizfnz]

Its not a loophole, the idea is that if a player still has eligible time and is done with his original commitment and finished college. He then is open to continue his education and continue his life. VA is using this opportunity to go to school at a better university and open more career options for him. Just so happens that his main career path right now is football. He's doing exactly what the ncaa wanted with this rule. Continue his career path at a better location for what he wants to do.

Loophole - A loophole is an ambiguity or inadequacy in a system, such as a law or security, which can be used to circumvent or otherwise avoid the intent, implied or explicitly stated, of the system.

According our AD, this rule is not being applied with the intent in which it was written. And, you seem to understand the rule properly, that it is meant to provide and opportunity for a student to better their education by pursuing a graduate degree that is not offered in the current university. I've listened to, and read several statements by VA. And not once have I heard him mention pursuing further education. Instead, VA and UO are using this rule to get him to play football. This is all about his dream to play in the Pac-12, and get a better opportunity to make it to the NFL. To me, it doesn't sound like he has any intent on completing his graduate degree, and I presume he will instead declare for the draft. I don't blame him at all. But I also see this for what it is, both parties exploiting a loophole for their benefit at the expense of our school that invested four years of education and provided him a degree.

What is Chaves' stance on the prop 48 rule "loophole" that allows a school with less stringent academic standards to recruit an athlete that would be a non-qualifier at most other institutions? Did Stuckey or Taiwan obtain degrees in their fields of study after EWU invested so much time and effort in developing them or did they attend EWU under the premise of finding a stage that would allow them to showcase their abilities in effort to pursue professional careers?

 

[marceagfan5]

Its not a loophole, the idea is that if a player still has eligible time and is done with his original commitment and finished college. He then is open to continue his education and continue his life. VA is using this opportunity to go to school at a better university and open more career options for him. Just so happens that his main career path right now is football. He's doing exactly what the ncaa wanted with this rule. Continue his career path at a better location for what he wants to do.

Loophole - A loophole is an ambiguity or inadequacy in a system, such as a law or security, which can be used to circumvent or otherwise avoid the intent, implied or explicitly stated, of the system.

According our AD, this rule is not being applied with the intent in which it was written. And, you seem to understand the rule properly, that it is meant to provide and opportunity for a student to better their education by pursuing a graduate degree that is not offered in the current university. I've listened to, and read several statements by VA. And not once have I heard him mention pursuing further education. Instead, VA and UO are using this rule to get him to play football. This is all about his dream to play in the Pac-12, and get a better opportunity to make it to the NFL. To me, it doesn't sound like he has any intent on completing his graduate degree, and I presume he will instead declare for the draft. I don't blame him at all. But I also see this for what it is, both parties exploiting a loophole for their benefit at the expense of our school that invested four years of education and provided him a degree.

What is Chaves' stance on the prop 48 rule "loophole" that allows a school with less stringent academic standards to recruit an athlete that would be a non-qualifier at most other institutions? Did Stuckey or Taiwan obtain degrees in their fields of study after EWU invested so much time and effort in developing them or did they attend EWU under the premise of finding a stage that would allow them to showcase their abilities in effort to pursue professional careers?

Cmon man, you do realize that these kids still have to qualify for college and could get into UM as well, UM just chooses not to go the Prop 48 route. Don't act like UM is this great academic university, last time I checked you were still a liberal arts school...

 

[Phalanx]

Kupp is just as good as anything the ducks currently have, you obviously have not watched him play or you would not say things like this.

LOL. Sorry, I was trying to make you feel better about holding on to your receiver. If you actually want someone to come and take him, I can try calling the Oregon coaches. I'm just saying that in general, they are not in the market for more receivers at the moment. There is already a glut of highly-rated ones on the team.

Yes...Oregon is practically WR U! :lol:

Do you know anything about the Duck WR's? We just sent DeAnthony Thomas and Josh Huff to the NFL, and both scored 80+ yard touchdowns in their rookie NFL season. Huff's actually went for 107.
Meanwhile, Bralon Addison, Byron Marshall, Devon Allen, Darren Carrington, Charles Nelson (reportedly moving to DB), Jalen Brown, Alex Ofodile, Malik Lovette, and Kirk Merritt are still with us All were highly recruited, at least 4-stars, and all nine would beat Cooper Kupp in the 40. It is possible that Kupp is a better receiver than some of these guys, but the likelihood of him being recruited and promoted to the two-deep by Oregon seems very slim to me. I think we have the Wide Receiver position pretty well filled.

Don't take my word for it though, wait until the game in September and see for yourself.

 

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Kupp is just as good as anything the ducks currently have, you obviously have not watched him play or you would not say things like this.

LOL. Sorry, I was trying to make you feel better about holding on to your receiver. If you actually want someone to come and take him, I can try calling the Oregon coaches. I'm just saying that in general, they are not in the market for more receivers at the moment. There is already a glut of highly-rated ones on the team.

Yes...Oregon is practically WR U! :lol:

Do you know anything about the Duck WR's? We just sent DeAnthony Thomas and Josh Huff to the NFL, and both scored 80+ yard touchdowns in their rookie NFL season. Huff's actually went for 107.
Meanwhile, Bralon Addison, Byron Marshall, Devon Allen, Darren Carrington, Charles Nelson (reportedly moving to DB), Jalen Brown, Alex Ofodile, Malik Lovette, and Kirk Merritt are still with us All were highly recruited, at least 4-stars, and all nine would beat Cooper Kupp in the 40. It is possible that Kupp is a better receiver than some of these guys, but the likelihood of him being recruited and promoted to the two-deep by Oregon seems very slim to me. I think we have the Wide Receiver position pretty well filled.

Don't take my word for it though, wait until the game in September and see for yourself.

No, and neither does anyone else that's not currently on the U of O bandwagon.

Oregon recruits athletes, EWU develops football players. Our guys aren't the fastest in the nation, but they out-produce almost every at their level of competition. So once again, congrats. :clap: :clap: :clap:

 

[kalm]

Kupp is just as good as anything the ducks currently have, you obviously have not watched him play or you would not say things like this.

LOL. Sorry, I was trying to make you feel better about holding on to your receiver. If you actually want someone to come and take him, I can try calling the Oregon coaches. I'm just saying that in general, they are not in the market for more receivers at the moment. There is already a glut of highly-rated ones on the team.

Yes...Oregon is practically WR U! :lol:

Do you know anything about the Duck WR's? We just sent DeAnthony Thomas and Josh Huff to the NFL, and both scored 80+ yard touchdowns in their rookie NFL season. Huff's actually went for 107.
Meanwhile, Bralon Addison, Byron Marshall, Devon Allen, Darren Carrington, Charles Nelson (reportedly moving to DB), Jalen Brown, Alex Ofodile, Malik Lovette, and Kirk Merritt are still with us All were highly recruited, at least 4-stars, and all nine would beat Cooper Kupp in the 40. It is possible that Kupp is a better receiver than some of these guys, but the likelihood of him being recruited and promoted to the two-deep by Oregon seems very slim to me. I think we have the Wide Receiver position pretty well filled.

Don't take my word for it though, wait until the game in September and see for yourself.

Who?

The next Devon Hester at best, and a kid who caught 8 balls last season. Wow!

You're not the best WR program in your state. :lol:

 

[EWURanger]

Kupp is just as good as anything the ducks currently have, you obviously have not watched him play or you would not say things like this.

LOL. Sorry, I was trying to make you feel better about holding on to your receiver. If you actually want someone to come and take him, I can try calling the Oregon coaches. I'm just saying that in general, they are not in the market for more receivers at the moment. There is already a glut of highly-rated ones on the team.

Yes...Oregon is practically WR U! :lol:

Do you know anything about the Duck WR's? We just sent DeAnthony Thomas and Josh Huff to the NFL, and both scored 80+ yard touchdowns in their rookie NFL season. Huff's actually went for 107.
Meanwhile, Bralon Addison, Byron Marshall, Devon Allen, Darren Carrington, Charles Nelson (reportedly moving to DB), Jalen Brown, Alex Ofodile, Malik Lovette, and Kirk Merritt are still with us All were highly recruited, at least 4-stars, and all nine would beat Cooper Kupp in the 40. It is possible that Kupp is a better receiver than some of these guys, but the likelihood of him being recruited and promoted to the two-deep by Oregon seems very slim to me. I think we have the Wide Receiver position pretty well filled.

Don't take my word for it though, wait until the game in September and see for yourself.

I don't think anyone would make an argument that Oregon doesn't recruit incredible athletes, or that many of the WR's on the Ducks roster don't have a faster 40 time than Kupp. After all, you cannot coach speed.

As for Kupp - he was considered a partial scholarship type guy out of HS who, much like Vernon Adams, was only recruited to a couple of different schools at the FCS level. Recruiting is not a science, and there's a lot of variables that may lead guys to go different routes out of high school. I would argue that player development is almost as important to how good an individual player may end up being as pure measurables are.

The point is that there's more to a player than measurables - as difficult as it may be for some fans of big time programs to understand, it's not just about how many stars a kid may have next to their profile on rivals. Kupp may not have elite speed, but he has the hands, and more importantly, the work ethic, that have made him an incredible possession receiver. But don't take my word for it - wait until September and see for yourself. :thumb:

 

[EWURanger]

What is Chaves' stance on the prop 48 rule "loophole" that allows a school with less stringent academic standards to recruit an athlete that would be a non-qualifier at most other institutions? Did Stuckey or Taiwan obtain degrees in their fields of study after EWU invested so much time and effort in developing them or did they attend EWU under the premise of finding a stage that would allow them to showcase their abilities in effort to pursue professional careers?

You may be surprised to know that Eastern doesn't have less stringent academic standards than UM. Many Griz fans have even acknowledged this fact on your own board. Also keep in mind that UM has also taken a shot at several players who were considered "high risk" individuals, whether that was in terms of academics, or otherwise.

I think you may also be surprised to know that many schools use the Prop 48 rule in recruiting. 4 time National Champion North Dakota State is no exception. Star running back John Crocket was a non-qualifier coming out of HS and had to do a tremedous amount of work on the academic side of the house to play for the Bison. Many schools utilize this tool to recruits kids who may not otherwise have an opportunity to play collegiate athletics at a Division I University. I'm not emotional about it at all - the kid either does what he needs to do academically his first year and plays his second, or he doesn't. It's entirely up to the individual to make that happen.

At the end of the day, my opinion is that using the Prop 48 argument is a convenient excuse for why the Griz struggle to beat EWU on a consistent basis while completely ignoring all the other factors that go into having a succesful program at this level. Smaller budget, smaller fan base, smaller stadium...we MUST be cheating, right?

 

[Phalanx]

I don't think anyone would make an argument that Oregon doesn't recruit incredible athletes, or that many of the WR's on the Ducks roster don't have a faster 40 time than Kupp. After all, you cannot coach speed.

As for Kupp - he was considered a partial scholarship type guy out of HS who, much like Vernon Adams, was only recruited to a couple of different schools at the FCS level. Recruiting is not a science, and there's a lot of variables that may lead guys to go different routes out of high school. I would argue that player development is almost as important to how good an individual player may end up being as pure measurables are.

The point is that there's more to a player than measurables - as difficult as it may be for some fans of big time programs to understand, it's not just about how many stars a kid may have next to their profile on rivals. Kupp may not have elite speed, but he has the hands, and more importantly, the work ethic, that have made him an incredible possession receiver. But don't take my word for it - wait until September and see for yourself. :thumb:

This feels like a dumb thing to argue about. I'm responding to the OP's fear that Oregon is going to snatch up Kupp by saying that the ducks don't need any more receivers, we already have at least 10 on scholarship. You guys appear to be insisting that the Ducks need a 'possession receiver' like Kupp. Are you trying to get me to covet your receiver or something? I really don't think you need to worry about Oregon coming and stealing your receiver. He wouldn't fit the system; the ducks recruit speed at the skill positions.
It is a relatively new phenomenon for the ducks to have this many high-quality receivers on the team, so I admit that historically, UO has not been 'Wide Receiver U', although there have been a few duck receivers in the NFL over the years. If anything, Oregon is probably 'Defensive Back U' or 'O-Lineman U', at least in terms of success in the NFL.

 

[kalm]

I don't think anyone would make an argument that Oregon doesn't recruit incredible athletes, or that many of the WR's on the Ducks roster don't have a faster 40 time than Kupp. After all, you cannot coach speed.

As for Kupp - he was considered a partial scholarship type guy out of HS who, much like Vernon Adams, was only recruited to a couple of different schools at the FCS level. Recruiting is not a science, and there's a lot of variables that may lead guys to go different routes out of high school. I would argue that player development is almost as important to how good an individual player may end up being as pure measurables are.

The point is that there's more to a player than measurables - as difficult as it may be for some fans of big time programs to understand, it's not just about how many stars a kid may have next to their profile on rivals. Kupp may not have elite speed, but he has the hands, and more importantly, the work ethic, that have made him an incredible possession receiver. But don't take my word for it - wait until September and see for yourself. :thumb:

This feels like a dumb thing to argue about. I'm responding to the OP's fear that Oregon is going to snatch up Kupp by saying that the ducks don't need any more receivers, we already have at least 10 on scholarship. You guys appear to be insisting that the Ducks need a 'possession receiver' like Kupp. Are you trying to get me to covet your receiver or something? I really don't think you need to worry about Oregon coming and stealing your receiver. He wouldn't fit the system; the ducks recruit speed at the skill positions.
It is a relatively new phenomenon for the ducks to have this many high-quality receivers on the team, so I admit that historically, UO has not been 'Wide Receiver U', although there have been a few duck receivers in the NFL over the years. If anything, Oregon is probably 'Defensive Back U' or 'O-Lineman U', at least in terms of success in the NFL.

As I asked in the other thread, couldn't you make the same case for Vernon. He's extremely elusive but not all that fast. He's relatively small and would there are questions regarding his durability if he's asked to be a true dual threat. He's run a vertical passing game that allows for receivers to get open down field and uses the read option as a decoy 99% of the time.

You have 5 QB's in house that I assume were recruited to run your system.

I wonder what chance the Oregon coaches think he has of winning the starting job.

 

[Phalanx]

As I asked in the other thread, couldn't you make the same case for Vernon. He's extremely elusive but not all that fast. He's relatively small and would there are questions regarding his durability if he's asked to be a true dual threat. He's run a vertical passing game that allows for receivers to get open down field and uses the read option as a decoy 99% of the time.

You have 5 QB's in house that I assume were recruited to run your system.

I wonder what chance the Oregon coaches think he has of winning the starting job.

I have no idea what the coaches are expecting. The only thing we know for sure is that Vernon was not promised the starting job. They may have just been looking for depth or a game manager when they signed him. I think you are right, Vernon doesn't appear to be much of a dual-threat. By the way, of the five you mention, one (Ty Griffin) is a transfer from Georgia Tech who mostly came to be with his brother and is reportedly switching to DB, and another (Taylor Alie) is a walk-on, and two (Mahalek and Waller) are freshmen who have yet to play a down of college football. The main competition should be between Adams, Lockie, and Mahalek, unless Waller just blows everyone away when he gets here in the Spring. The receiver situation and the QB situation are like night and day.

I'm still baffled that everyone is mad at Oregon for signing Adams, but also mad when I say that they wouldn't take Kupp. :lol:

 

[grizfnz]

What is Chaves' stance on the prop 48 rule "loophole" that allows a school with less stringent academic standards to recruit an athlete that would be a non-qualifier at most other institutions? Did Stuckey or Taiwan obtain degrees in their fields of study after EWU invested so much time and effort in developing them or did they attend EWU under the premise of finding a stage that would allow them to showcase their abilities in effort to pursue professional careers?

You may be surprised to know that Eastern doesn't have less stringent academic standards than UM. Many Griz fans have even acknowledged this fact on your own board. Also keep in mind that UM has also taken a shot at several players who were considered "high risk" individuals, whether that was in terms of academics, or otherwise.

I think you may also be surprised to know that many schools use the Prop 48 rule in recruiting. 4 time National Champion North Dakota State is no exception. Star running back John Crocket was a non-qualifier coming out of HS and had to do a tremedous amount of work on the academic side of the house to play for the Bison. Many schools utilize this tool to recruits kids who may not otherwise have an opportunity to play collegiate athletics at a Division I University. I'm not emotional about it at all - the kid either does what he needs to do academically his first year and plays his second, or he doesn't. It's entirely up to the individual to make that happen.

At the end of the day, my opinion is that using the Prop 48 argument is a convenient excuse for why the Griz struggle to beat EWU on a consistent basis while completely ignoring all the other factors that go into having a succesful program at this level. Smaller budget, smaller fan base, smaller stadium...we MUST be cheating, right?

I know other schools use the prop 48 loophole, just as other schools have used the grad student transfer rule. Your coach and some fans claim VA is only going to play football, not complete a masters in his desired field of study. Did Stuckey and Taiwan have desires to attend EWU to get an education or because it was a Div 1 institution that provided them a place to play (since they would be non-qualifiers elsewhere)? Did they even get degrees after all the time EWU invested in them?

 

[kalm]

As I asked in the other thread, couldn't you make the same case for Vernon. He's extremely elusive but not all that fast. He's relatively small and would there are questions regarding his durability if he's asked to be a true dual threat. He's run a vertical passing game that allows for receivers to get open down field and uses the read option as a decoy 99% of the time.

You have 5 QB's in house that I assume were recruited to run your system.

I wonder what chance the Oregon coaches think he has of winning the starting job.

I have no idea what the coaches are expecting. The only thing we know for sure is that Vernon was not promised the starting job. They may have just been looking for depth or a game manager when they signed him. I think you are right, Vernon doesn't appear to be much of a dual-threat. By the way, of the five you mention, one (Ty Griffin) is a transfer from Georgia Tech who mostly came to be with his brother and is reportedly switching to DB, and another (Taylor Alie) is a walk-on, and two (Mahalek and Waller) are freshmen who have yet to play a down of college football. The main competition should be between Adams, Lockie, and Mahalek, unless Waller just blows everyone away when he gets here in the Spring. The receiver situation and the QB situation are like night and day.

I'm still baffled that everyone is mad at Oregon for signing Adams, but also mad when I say that they wouldn't take Kupp. :lol:

Kupp is more likely to make an NFL roster.

 

[ClarkWGrizwald]

I can't think of a single other instance where a school lost a player from their roster with a year of eligibility left with no transfer period.

??

What? Perhaps you've heard the name "Russell Wilson"?

 

[mtgrizfankb1]

The fact you guys are calling Oregon bandwagon fans is so funny. Ewu has a huge band wagon fan base, that's how a program grows. You get fans by being good. You build a fan base by being good for a long time (10-15) year's. Something both EWU and Oregon don't know about. and to push my point about VA transferring.... The rule is for a student to get the opportunity to further himself in his career path....maybe VA is not going to Oregon for pure academic studies but I bet he learns a whole lot more about his career path by now playing there. Therefore he is doing exactly what the rule wants. Furthering his chance and potential in potential career paths.

 

[EWU98]

Seriously .....since 97 we have only had 2 losing seasons. . . . . .1 Nation Championships..2 Final Fours and ......oh wait I am talking to the all-might GRIZ FAN...NO COMPARISON right...oh wait 0 for last 4 GRIZ FAN!

 

[LDopaPDX]

I can't think of a single other instance where a school lost a player from their roster with a year of eligibility left with no transfer period.

??

What? Perhaps you've heard the name "Russell Wilson"?

???

Russell Wilson wasn't even attending a school when he transferred. He graduated and was off in Asheville playing minor league baseball when he decided to transfer. That's a little different than a kid who is still on a roster and attending class...