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Webergrad02

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Crazy Joe just posted his pre-season picks
Weber State - Play in game as 16 seed
BYU play in game as 12 seed
Utah 5 seed

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webergrad02 said:
Crazy Joe just posted his pre-season picks
Weber State - Play in game as 16 seed
BYU play in game as 12 seed
Utah 5 seed

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Yes, after putting a scare into the top overall team in last years NCAA Tournament the Cats still are a play in game team. Lunardi = :dunce:
 
BSC is going to have to raise its game to allow us to do better than a 16 seed. The overall results and strength of schedule due to those results makes it difficult to place us anywhere else.

I think we are very fortunate to have an automatic bid for the conference.
At some time or another, we have to assess the benefits of the conference and determine if it's time to take our program to the next level! Hard to do when only Men's basketball is performing at a high level at this time.
 
Midmajor?? said:
BSC is going to have to raise its game to allow us to do better than a 16 seed. The overall results and strength of schedule due to those results makes it difficult to place us anywhere else.

I think we are very fortunate to have an automatic bid for the conference.
At some time or another, we have to assess the benefits of the conference and determine if it's time to take our program to the next level! Hard to do when only Men's basketball is performing at a high level at this time.
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What conference do you thing the Cats could move into?
 
PURPLEFORLIFE said:
Midmajor?? said:
BSC is going to have to raise its game to allow us to do better than a 16 seed. The overall results and strength of schedule due to those results makes it difficult to place us anywhere else.

I think we are very fortunate to have an automatic bid for the conference.
At some time or another, we have to assess the benefits of the conference and determine if it's time to take our program to the next level! Hard to do when only Men's basketball is performing at a high level at this time.
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What conference do you thing the Cats could move into?
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I agree. We have no where to go.

We need coaches like Tinkle and Rahe in this conference. Weber can't carry the load alone. The sports world is now thinking of the Big Sky as one of the worst conferences in basketball.
 
Do something different with football and move everything else into the WCC! I think with basketball we will be competitive in 2-4 years. We'll have to raise our game...... Or continue to be happy with the 16th seed and ranked 140 in the country!
 
Midmajor?? said:
Do something different with football and move everything else into the WCC! I think with basketball we will be competitive in 2-4 years. We'll have to raise our game...... Or continue to be happy with the 16th seed and ranked 140 in the country!
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We are not a private school. All of the schools except for Pacific are religious schools. Sorry, we don't fit their mold.
 
Midmajor?? said:
Do something different with football and move everything else into the WCC! I think with basketball we will be competitive in 2-4 years. We'll have to raise our game...... Or continue to be happy with the 16th seed and ranked 140 in the country!
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No big sky, WAC, or Big West school will be allowed into the WCC unless it changes its MO. Every school in it is a religious school (that's why BYU was such a great fit).

I think we should just go to the SEC. Lots of sunshine for road games, big TV deal, the NCAA doesn't care if you cheat, and our football team will have almost the same record.

In all reality, there is no where to go but laterally (ie. WAC, Big West). The jump to the MWC is too big. Personally I would like to see the Big Sky cut some of the dead weight and focus on being more of an all around conference instead of putting most of its emphasis on football.
 
Pacific.... Although private is not religious. The BSC is not a moderately rated conference. If you want to be a big boy, you have to broker deals to play with the big boys.

If the NCAA removes our automatic bid...... I bet you it will encourage the university to up its game. I'm not sure how often automatic bid status gets reviewed by the NCAA, but I can't see the BSC being able to hold on to their status unless the strength of play in the conference improves!

It's great winning ....... But if we want to take the next step, we have to start looking at better conferences. Denver University is higher ranked than Weber and they have NEVER even made the tourney! The big sky doesn't get a lot of respect as a basketball conference.
 
I like the thought midmajor, but I just don't see it happening. With regard to the WCC, Pacific is still in the same geographic region as the rest of the WCC, and even if it isn't religious, it is still private. Also, It is close to USF and Santa Clara and easy to get to. BYU being in the WCC is a total aberration. There must be some type of money deal between them and the rest of the conference. The Y has got to be the richest and biggest school in the WCC.

One conference not mentioned is the Summit, but it is to far away for the Cats and most importantly, we don't get to play against like schools and traditional rivals. Playing ISU, SUU, Montana, MSU, and NAU gives the program a slight boast in attendance. As has been stated, WCC isn't a possibility because we don't fit the mold, Big West really isn't a possibility due to travel, Summit isn't because of travel and teams we play, and Weber won't ever get an invite into the MW because USU wouldn't allow it, and frankly the Cats aren't ready. Five years ago, the football program was on its way to becoming relatively competitive. It could have competed in the MW. Now, it struggles to get wins against the bottom half of the Sky.

Best thing that Weber can do is to do its best to improve the overall reputation of the conference. Gonzaga was the only relevant program in the WCC 10 years ago and now the conference, top to bottom, is competitive. As for Denver, we ask them to play us every year. They won't do it cause they know they won't win. I'm not worried about the Pioneers.
 
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In looking at the expected brackets for 2015 we are a one and done conference. There is of course a lot of one team conferences, but WSU can only go in one direction in the BSC. We have a great team and they will dominate the BSC for many years, but with the results of our conference, I think we might be able to have a great year and claw our way to a 15th seed.

Weber State has been a recognized program for many years, but sooner or later we're going to have to make a move or reorganize the BSC to improve the level of competition. I agree that travel is a major consideration, but if you do a conference without football, travel is a lot less expensive.

One question I hate to answer..... Is Weber really that good...... Or is our conference that bad? I honestly think our conference is holding us down. I'm glad to see we are playing Oklahoma and potentially Clemson. A great opportunity to gauge the strength of our program!
 
Leaving the conference isn't a possibility, but reorganizing the conference might be. Like Sir Velo (former member named catcat) has complained about for the last couple of year, and I agree, the size of the conference. It is too big. I would like to go back to a 8 or possibly 9 team league. We could "outsource" some programs (Sac to Big West, PSU to obscurity, UNCO to outer darkness) and keep the remaining programs and rebuild the Sky off of them. Eastern, Idaho, Montana, Montana State, Idaho State, Weber State, Northern Arizona, SUU, and UND. I like that league, but that isn't going to happen.

What has to happen is that the lower teams in the Sky have got to become more competitive. And frankly, that includes the Cats. We can't keep saying that the OOC doesn't matter. That is part of the season and that includes the Butt F's we keep playing like Presentation College and Bristol. If Weber wants to take themselves seriously then the Cats have got to play up and have far better competition on their schedule.
 
I agree...... We keep hearing that no one will play us in Ogden, because they do not want to risk the loss! If I was coach Rahe, I'd go anywhere possible to play competitive teams to show how our program has progressed.

I hate having to google teams on our OOC schedule because I didn't know they existed!

In conference play, we need to start stomping teams. If we are truly the class of the conference, we need to start blowing teams out and any losses in conference should be a huge upset! That's how Gonzaga and other teams have become the class of their conference. I feel that we are the best team in the BSC by far, and last years performance against Arizona was huge! But need to show up consistently against that level of program every year!
 
All sounds great but the big question is what do we have to offer another conference, so they would even want to invite us? Facilities are good and getting better all the time. Basketball is certainly up and coming but the other sports are lagging behind. You have to have an invite before you can even think about it. hopefully we can keep scheduling better teams and then play well against them. Looking forward to Paradise Jam, Oklahoma, ETC. All great exposure this year to add to Arizona if we do well.
 
Weber would greatly improve its seed by playing a stronger OOC schedule and, most importantly, WINNING OOC. It wouldn't matter nearly as much what conference they belong to if they could do this. Rather than scheduling lower division teams at home (even though these games don't really count toward strength of schedule), go on the road and play some quality opponents, and BEAT them. I don't think they're there yet, but the next two to three years they will have teams capable of doing this. :twocents:
 
Weber can get a higher seed in the tournament if they win. That means being as dominate in conference as some seem to think they are going to be this and coming years. That means treating in-state and OOC games as every bit as important as conference games. If in-state and OOC can only be looked at a preparation for winning a weak BSC, then what does anyone possibly expect as far as seeding goes? Getting into a stronger conference (which isn't going to happen) or changing up the BSC (which isn't going to happen) might help improve SOS but whose to say Weber dominates, let alone wins, a stronger conference?

It's pure crap that "power conference" teams can sit home padding their schedules with powder puffs and then flood the tournament on the merits of an unbelievably tough conference. It's too bad so much of college sport is built upon money but that's the hand Weber is dealt and if they want to be a Gonzaga (former BSC member), St. Mary's, Creighton, or Wichita St. then they need to play the teams willing to play them-- wherever-- and consistently be able to beat them, plain and simple. I can safely bet that none of those teams were ever in a position that ANY game on their schedule was less important than ANY other and they wanted, even expected, to win every time they stepped on the court.

Hearing even the slightest hint that Weber doesn't see OOC as important as BSC or that in-state wins aren't part of important season goals fires me up. Not all that long ago, after BYU thumps Weber at the DEC by 20+, Rose is quoted saying, "we have absolutely nothing to gain by playing a team like this." Year's later, Weber about can't beat BYU, can only get about 1-in-3 vs USU, loses to UVU, and the mighty Pukes won't even play 'em. Something's wrong with that picture, folks! If Weber wants to take "the next step," they'd better be ready to play basketball when the REAL season starts, not just the BSC season.
 
Amen :clap:
I think the desire to destroy opponents has to be in exhibition games too! I'm hearing this team should be a dominant one..... Played starters in exhibition games too, but didn't blow out lesser teams. Looking forward to seeing maximum effort Friday night! :twocents:
 
Like many posters have already said, switching conferences is not going to happen. The one thing that does need to happen is for the Wildcats or another BSC team to upset a team in the tourney. Gaining that momentum would help the perception of the conference.
Also, I don't put much stock into Lunardi's thoughts this early in the season. No one has played yet.
 
The Sky including Weber has to win OOC games and get wins in the tournament. Sky teams, SAC, can't keep losing to bad Big West teams and hope for the conference to be taken seriously.
 
All great posts!...and the test, telling action begins tonight vs. Aggies!! This is where the "action speaks louder than words" opportunity starts! Important for WILDCATS to show well !!

As for the BSC BB, simply all of the member teams need to improve their scheduling & competitiveness in order for the BSC ranking to improve (1 national sports magazine ranks the Big Sky #24 out of 32; WAC is # 22, WCC #9, MWC #10, Big West #17). The BSC Commish has said as much in recent years. :twocents:
 
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