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Mountain West invites Fresno and Nevada, WAC implications?

BYU’s next move … and other MWC/WAC developments



It’s been a head spinning few days on the realignment front — so many reports, so many rumors, that it’s tough to know what’s real, what’s false and what’s possible … especially with the continuing radio silence out of Provo.

Here’s the latest, with the most significant development, by far.

1. I’ve been told that BYU has reached out to the West Coast Conference about the possibility of placing its 18 teams that don’t play football into the WCC.


In the interest of full disclosure, let’s be clear: I’m not sure whether the Cougars will talk to WCC officials or meet in person with WCC officials. But according to a source, communication in some form will take place this week.

(I tried getting a comment/confirmation from WCC commish Jamie Zaninovich, who acknowledged last week that he had reached out to BYU. But Zaninovich did not respond to text or voice messages or to an email request for an interview.)

Assuming it’s true, it would be a significant development on two fronts:

Front one: Whatever ultimately happens with BYU, the WCC has scored major PR points simply for being in the discussion. And if the league actually lands the Cougars’ 18 teams, then it’s a Game 7 walk-off home run.

Front two: Best I can tell, it’s the first hard evidence since Fresno State and Nevada agreed to join the MWC that BYU is still actively pursuing football independence (because being independent in football, of course, means finding a home for its other teams).

2. The Salt Lake Tribune reported earlier today that Utah State has entered a second round of discussions with the Mountain West.

This makes a lot of sense if you think the MWC now believes BYU is going independent … and if you think, as I do, that the MWC would want a Utah team — perhaps for political reasons, perhaps to retain a sliver of the SLC media market. (Clearly, USU wouldn’t be of any benefit in the BCS automatic qualifier equation.)

I’d imagine that if BYU goes independent and the MWC pursues Utah State that the league wouldn’t stop at 11 schools. Houston would be a logical choice as the 12th, which would prompt Conference USA to find a new member. (Louisiana Tech? Temple?)

3. There’s also an espn.com report that Hawaii has reached out to the Big West as a possible home for its sports if it goes independent in football.

Hawaii’s a better fit in the Big West than the WCC, for sure. And the move makes sense, in terms of the level of competition, for its teams.

But could someone explain to me how the low-budget Big West schools — remember, it’s a ground transportation-based league — going to afford to send their teams to Honolulu?

4. One last thought: Everywhere you turn, there are reports or rumors of remaining WAC schools pursuing other options — Hawaii goes Indy, Utah State goes to the MWC, LaTech heads to C-USA — and it makes sense.

The league’s future is mighty fuzzy and commissioner Karl Benson said last week that the remaining six are not subject to the $5 million exit penalty that Nevada and Fresno State must pay. There’s zero harm in exploring options.

But the guess here is that the future carnage won’t be as bad as some project and that the league will stay together, perhaps with two additions, perhaps with four … or perhaps in some form of alliance with the Sun Belt.






http://blogs.mercurynews.com/collegesports/2010/08/24/byus-next-move-and-other-mwcwac-developments/
 
runningbomb said:
I think Jack Hornet is Dr. Donald Gerth.
I know it would be a while before this happened but could you imagine Sacramento hosting a Bowl game like Boise has done with their Humanitarian bowl? Could you imagine us in a bowl game in late December or early January? Could you imagine Nevada, Fresno, Cal or Oregon coming to play at Hornet Stadium? Let's get this deal done.
Yes, and this is something Sac State could pitch the local tourism board (does Sac have a tourism board?) and get support from local business. I can see it now..."The Campell's Soup River City Bowl" ;)
 
And regarding tuition and student fee increases, let's not forget that state run college education here in CA is one of the most highly subsidized college educations in the nation for in-state and illegal immigrant students, so another $100 in the bucket shouldn't be a make or break limit. If it is, may I suggest some highly subsidized junior colleges to attend?
 
SDHornet said:
runningbomb said:
I think Jack Hornet is Dr. Donald Gerth.
I know it would be a while before this happened but could you imagine Sacramento hosting a Bowl game like Boise has done with their Humanitarian bowl? Could you imagine us in a bowl game in late December or early January? Could you imagine Nevada, Fresno, Cal or Oregon coming to play at Hornet Stadium? Let's get this deal done.
Yes, and this is something Sac State could pitch the local tourism board (does Sac have a tourism board?) and get support from local business. I can see it now..."The Campell's Soup River City Bowl" ;)


Campbells-Blue Diamond Soup to Nuts Bowl might be better. :lol:

Seriously, Sacramento used to have the Camelia Bowl though.
 
I was thinking about the Sacramento market as I wait to hear any sort of news or announcement regarding our potential invitation to division-1A. I know a lot of people have been trying to compare Sac State to San Jose State, but I think the comparison is inaccurate. I grew up a die-hard Spartan fan (went to my first Spartan game when I was a month old. Played Stanford and from the way my dad it was the game John Elway had to crawl off the field against a Spartan team coached by his dad, but back to my point), I know the troubles the Spartans face in the Bay Area, and trust me, we face nothing close to the problems they do.

First off there are TWO division 1-A PAC TEN schools in their back yard. Stanford who are 15 minutes away and Cal who are 40-45 minutes away. There are 3 WCC schools in the area, Santa Clara being five to ten minutes away. A school in the Big West/WAC stood little chance with such competition. Second, the 49ers and Giants are 45 minutes away and the Raiders, A’s and Warriors are35 minutes away. Big draws, and expensive making some folks wallets a little thin. Still, as a youth I remember Spartan games still brought in huge crowds. The Sharks are what really killed off the fan base. Once the Sharks came to town, they were all that mattered. To compound matters, the local media gives ZERO attention to SJSU. They may pop up the score in the sports report, but that’s it. The Bears and Cardinal get hour/half hour long programs on multiple channels in the bay to preview the teams, review games, ect… Spartans are not on the radar. There are simply too many other teams to compete with.

Here in Sac we have the Kings, Mountain Lions and River Cats. Whoop-de-do. Our market is much more comparable to, I hate to say it, Fresno. Fresno, a WAC team, sells out every game. You go to Fresno and you cannot go anywhere without seeing someone in Fresno red. They have a PCL team like Sacramento, Bulldogs crush them on a regular basis. They had a hockey team, couldn’t hold a candle. Fresno State has successfully connected the citizens of Fresno with the Bulldog brand. Sac can achieve this too. We would need to advertise like Fresno, Stanford and Cal do, billboards all over the region, radio ads, television ads, and buy air time to introduce the team to average Joe public. Get the public excited about Hornet sports: 1-A like the other big boys of Northern California. (giving Fresno credit for a successful fan base just made me puke in my mouth a little bit)

Elsewhere in the WAC, New Mexico State, Utah State and Idaho can’t be comparable examples either. They are all schools in TINY markets. Las Cruces, NM: 93,000, Logan, UT: 49,000, Moscow, ID: 23,000. Sac metro region is 2 million households.

I have high hope for the Hornets. I think we have the potential to be a successful 1-A program. We may not strike fear into the hearts of Alabama or Ohio State, but we could make Mountain West and even some Pac 10 teams a little scared. It would also be awesome to see the Hornets playing on a major network. Households across the US welcoming Hornet Stadium into their living rooms. Young men all across Northern California will see the Hornets as a big deal, and choose to wear the green and gold when its their turn to play instead of turning up their nose in favor of schools miles and miles away.
 
the Rat said:
But the guess here is that the future carnage won’t be as bad as some project and that the league will stay together, perhaps with two additions, perhaps with four … or perhaps in some form of alliance with the Sun Belt.

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/collegesports/2010/08/24/byus-next-move-and-other-mwcwac-developments/

No way will the Sun Belt be interested in Idaho or San Jose State. New Mexico State maybe. If people thought LA Tech travel was bad, Sun Belt would be a coast to coast conference. The Sun Belt fans are already pissed Denver is still a member. They can't wait for Denver to jump to the WCC, Summit or whatever other conference they can find. I think Idaho SJSU and NMSU are willing to try anything to keep their football programs afloat, and if that means inviting 6 FCS schools, they will probably do it.
 
Somebody mentioned they didn't think raising student fees, would be needed to move to the WAC. Ok, how do you expect Sac St to pay for the 25 extra football scholarships and the extra women's scholarship to meet Title IX. And don't be a davis grad (edit) and say football only needs 23 or whatever the exact number, like the two extra scholarships are going to be a breaking point.

A bowl game in Sac? Not until the stadium, which many fans on here have complained about, is expanded.

Everybody on here says yes, but nobody has talked about how to pay for the move.
 
JackHornet said:
Somebody mentioned they didn't think raising student fees, would be needed to move to the WAC. Ok, how do you expect Sac St to pay for the 25 extra football scholarships and the extra women's scholarship to meet Title IX. And don't be an ass-hole and say football only needs 23 or whatever the exact number, like the two extra scholarships are going to be a breaking point.

A bowl game in Sac? Not until the stadium, which many fans on here have complained about, is expanded.

Everybody on here says yes, but nobody has talked about how to pay for the move.
Gonzo will raise the athletic fee again. Seeing as I am not a student, I have no qualms against such a move. Sure it would make him unpopular, but what does he care, he doesn't answer to the students. Also to stay title IX compliant, some men's sports will no doubt get the axe (golf and tennis for starters).

Also I think you have a point about the facilities. If Wanless and Gonzo get this right, they can kick-off a fund raising drive in conjunction with a WAC move announcement. I have to imagine alumni would be interested and they could get some immediate donations.
 
JackHornet said:
Somebody mentioned they didn't think raising student fees, would be needed to move to the WAC. Ok, how do you expect Sac St to pay for the 25 extra football scholarships and the extra women's scholarship to meet Title IX. And don't be an ass-hole and say football only needs 23 or whatever the exact number, like the two extra scholarships are going to be a breaking point.

A bowl game in Sac? Not until the stadium, which many fans on here have complained about, is expanded.

Everybody on here says yes, but nobody has talked about how to pay for the move.

How many extra scholarships outside of football do we need? One thing we have going for us is we are one of the cheapest schools. Cal State tuition is amongst the cheapest you'll find in the US. If its going to be $100 or less per student, I see no problem arising. The administration could do it and no one would probably even notice.
 
SDHornet said:
SJHornet said:
You go to Fresno and you cannot go anywhere without seeing someone in Fresno red.
Those aren't Fresno fans, those are gang bangers. :|

I thought they got rid of the Bulldog gang. The police cracked down so, they all joined the surenos or something
 
The only reason I'd prefer to stay in the Sky is the chance for a championship. The $$ issues are beside the point. Ticket prices will jump a bit, and that should offset any other expenses since a WAC coach isn't going to command a Pac-12 salary.

The WAC is not the Titanic that Jack is making it out to be, particularly if Poly and the Extension come (and especially if Montana and either or both of Weber/PSU come). The WAC is not the Sun Belt, which has got to be the worst arrangement of teams I've seen this side of the non-football side of the Great West.

I really doubt that Sac in the WAC will HAVE to play bodybag games. At least not to the degree that UOP did in '95 when they opened the season with Fresneck, Arizona, Nebraska, Oregon, and Oregon State en route to a 3-8 record. (Yes, UOP DID beat the Beavers, but that game was in Stockton at a time when OSU was the pits.) I foresee Sac playing a Pac-12 (up), a MAC (on par), and perhaps a Sky school (down) for a balanced OOC sched. I don't think that's really a bad deal.

I still think I'd rather stay in the Sky for now, but if we go, I'm not going to jump off the Golden Gate Bridge....
 
SJHornet said:
SDHornet said:
SJHornet said:
You go to Fresno and you cannot go anywhere without seeing someone in Fresno red.
Those aren't Fresno fans, those are gang bangers. :|

I thought they got rid of the Bulldog gang. The police cracked down so, they all joined the surenos or something
Gangs never go away...sadly...
 
runningbomb said:
I think Jack Hornet is Dr. Donald Gerth.

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Dr. Gerth is that you?

Actually a bowl is a great idea. The Sac Sports Commission is always looking for an event to showcase. Why not a FBS annual bowl? I'd much rather have the Contadina Tomato Bowl than watch track meets. The whole city would benefit with increased demand and it would bring mainstream exposure to Sacramento and the University.

Ever wonder why Shreveport, Louisiana has a bowl? Same for El Paso? And Fresno.
 
JackHornet said:
Somebody mentioned they didn't think raising student fees, would be needed to move to the WAC. Ok, how do you expect Sac St to pay for the 25 extra football scholarships and the extra women's scholarship to meet Title IX. And don't be a davis grad (edit) and say football only needs 23 or whatever the exact number, like the two extra scholarships are going to be a breaking point.

A bowl game in Sac? Not until the stadium, which many fans on here have complained about, is expanded.

Everybody on here says yes, but nobody has talked about how to pay for the move.

I think Joe Biden is posting on the board, see underline above. Jack, there are economics that FBS offers that NEVER exist in FCS. First, I am sure the university has done studies on fan support in various divisions, etc. I had the opportunity to be on a plane with Gonzo about a year ago, and we talked at length about various subjects, and he thinks like a CEO.

You complain about the charge to students, frankly most universities have something like this, and it is hidden in the tuition and fees. The additional budget will be met 1/2 by increased student fees. There is an incremental increase in gate revenue, plus a ticket price increase will yield about a $300K bump. Revenue game at major university at $500k, then an estimated $1.75 mm alumni contribution.

Alumni contribution is the area where CSUS falls down the most. As an alumni, I have never been asked to contribute to athletics-we have over 150k alumni and are not going to the well at all. Frankly a $5 mm budget increase is not that big of a deal in overall scheme.
 
HornetHope said:
I think Joe Biden is posting on the board, see underline above. Jack, there are economics that FBS offers that NEVER exist in FCS. First, I am sure the university has done studies on fan support in various divisions, etc. I had the opportunity to be on a plane with Gonzo about a year ago, and we talked at length about various subjects, and he thinks like a CEO.

You complain about the charge to students, frankly most universities have something like this, and it is hidden in the tuition and fees. The additional budget will be met 1/2 by increased student fees. There is an incremental increase in gate revenue, plus a ticket price increase will yield about a $300K bump. Revenue game at major university at $500k, then an estimated $1.75 mm alumni contribution.

Alumni contribution is the area where CSUS falls down the most. As an alumni, I have never been asked to contribute to athletics-we have over 150k alumni and are not going to the well at all. Frankly a $5 mm budget increase is not that big of a deal in overall scheme.
I agree. I've never been solicited by a phone call or anything like that but I have donated to general scholarships when I signed up for my alumni membership. I didn't start donating to athletics until this past year, even then it was because I stumbled across Stinger Athletic Association link on HornetSports (http://www.hornetsports.com/ticket/green.asp) and not because of a solicitation. If athletes were herded into a phone bank and started making calls, I have no doubt the athletic department could raise some funds.
 

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