Your new coach will want to build his team with guys who are 100% in. He needs to do that. He can't live with anybody who will second guess his direction. It's no affront to these players, they were 100% guys for the previous staff. They need to transfer as much as your new coach needs them to transfer. Some of the younger players may still be able to buy in and, if they can do that, be kept. One little cancerous piece can ruin an entire season. Fans don't always see what is going on in the background.Bengal visitor said:Kelvin Jones announced today he is leaving ISU as a graduate transfer. Brandon Boyd hasn't decided whether to stay or go, but listed his options as Idaho State, Cal Baptist, Washington State, Arkansas and TCU.
Wells there really are no "younger players." There would have been 8 seniors on the roster next year, but Alonzo Walker also announced he's leaving today, and I would suspect Boyd and Chivichyan will go now as well. So it will be pretty much a complete rebuild next year. But that is always the risk you take when you fire a coach, especially with the graduate transfer option on the table these days. Sometimes you have to tear it all down and start from scratch.oldrunner said:Your new coach will want to build his team with guys who are 100% in. He needs to do that. He can't live with anybody who will second guess his direction. It's no affront to these players, they were 100% guys for the previous staff. They need to transfer as much as your new coach needs them to transfer. Some of the younger players may still be able to buy in and, if they can do that, be kept. One little cancerous piece can ruin an entire season. Fans don't always see what is going on in the background.Bengal visitor said:Kelvin Jones announced today he is leaving ISU as a graduate transfer. Brandon Boyd hasn't decided whether to stay or go, but listed his options as Idaho State, Cal Baptist, Washington State, Arkansas and TCU.
Bengal visitor said:Kelvin Jones announced today he is leaving ISU as a graduate transfer. Brandon Boyd hasn't decided whether to stay or go, but listed his options as Idaho State, Cal Baptist, Washington State, Arkansas and TCU.
Boyd has some other schools looking at him as well. I think they should go where they fit the best and not who has the best program or situation. They should enjoy that final year. None of them are going to the NBA. I have a feeling that this new coach at ISU will bring in some blue collar head knockers for his first year and then try to build the talent from year to year. He may also bring his top players with him.The Unknown Fan said:Bengal visitor said:Kelvin Jones announced today he is leaving ISU as a graduate transfer. Brandon Boyd hasn't decided whether to stay or go, but listed his options as Idaho State, Cal Baptist, Washington State, Arkansas and TCU.
So Brandon Boyd's options include Cal Baptist, which is still transitioning to division 1 and can't even participate in the WAC tournament. They can participate in the CBI or CIT. Whoopee. Washington State and Arkansas are new staffs and rebuilds. I can't imagine either are looking to build around a one-and-done. And TCU was just named last month as part of the FBI bribery scandal, and they already fired an assistant coach over it. What else is looming for them? Boyd might want to stay at ISU or find other options.
Probably better for a new coach to rebuild now though, rather than wait until next year when he loses 8 players at once. I guess part of it, too, could be the new coach has already spoken with players and maybe nudged them toward the door.
oldrunner said:Boyd has some other schools looking at him as well. I think they should go where they fit the best and not who has the best program or situation. They should enjoy that final year. None of them are going to the NBA. I have a feeling that this new coach at ISU will bring in some blue collar head knockers for his first year and then try to build the talent from year to year. He may also bring his top players with him.The Unknown Fan said:Bengal visitor said:Kelvin Jones announced today he is leaving ISU as a graduate transfer. Brandon Boyd hasn't decided whether to stay or go, but listed his options as Idaho State, Cal Baptist, Washington State, Arkansas and TCU.
So Brandon Boyd's options include Cal Baptist, which is still transitioning to division 1 and can't even participate in the WAC tournament. They can participate in the CBI or CIT. Whoopee. Washington State and Arkansas are new staffs and rebuilds. I can't imagine either are looking to build around a one-and-done. And TCU was just named last month as part of the FBI bribery scandal, and they already fired an assistant coach over it. What else is looming for them? Boyd might want to stay at ISU or find other options.
Probably better for a new coach to rebuild now though, rather than wait until next year when he loses 8 players at once. I guess part of it, too, could be the new coach has already spoken with players and maybe nudged them toward the door.
To me, the Jones kid is just okay. He isn't a lot better than Dallas and he couldn't play for us. I think that Jones is a low D1 or a high D11 center. To be a good mid major center, his rebounding numbers needed to be much better. There are a lot of better post players in the transfer portal right now and more are being added every day. If we can't get into a good grad transfer center, then I think you just get the best player you can get, either a wing or a forward who is a great rebounder. We don't really need much more scoring at this point, but we can always use more rebounding and defending.talhadfoursteals said:oldrunner said:Boyd has some other schools looking at him as well. I think they should go where they fit the best and not who has the best program or situation. They should enjoy that final year. None of them are going to the NBA. I have a feeling that this new coach at ISU will bring in some blue collar head knockers for his first year and then try to build the talent from year to year. He may also bring his top players with him.The Unknown Fan said:Bengal visitor said:Kelvin Jones announced today he is leaving ISU as a graduate transfer. Brandon Boyd hasn't decided whether to stay or go, but listed his options as Idaho State, Cal Baptist, Washington State, Arkansas and TCU.
So Brandon Boyd's options include Cal Baptist, which is still transitioning to division 1 and can't even participate in the WAC tournament. They can participate in the CBI or CIT. Whoopee. Washington State and Arkansas are new staffs and rebuilds. I can't imagine either are looking to build around a one-and-done. And TCU was just named last month as part of the FBI bribery scandal, and they already fired an assistant coach over it. What else is looming for them? Boyd might want to stay at ISU or find other options.
Probably better for a new coach to rebuild now though, rather than wait until next year when he loses 8 players at once. I guess part of it, too, could be the new coach has already spoken with players and maybe nudged them toward the door.
Will be interesting to see what happens over the next few months in Poky. Olds is on the right path though. The new coach is going to get guys who play his system and are tough. Personally, if I was the new ISU coach, I'd want to keep a guy like Jones. If we can't find anything, personally, I'd take a 6-11 guy who hit over 50% of his FGs, is an above-average rebounder, and is a good interior defender. He's a big body, who moves well.
oldrunner said:To me, the Jones kid is just okay. He isn't a lot better than Dallas and he couldn't play for us. I think that Jones is a low D1 or a high D11 center. To be a good mid major center, his rebounding numbers needed to be much better. There are a lot of better post players in the transfer portal right now and more are being added every day. If we can't get into a good grad transfer center, then I think you just get the best player you can get, either a wing or a forward who is a great rebounder. We don't really need much more scoring at this point, but we can always use more rebounding and defending.talhadfoursteals said:oldrunner said:Boyd has some other schools looking at him as well. I think they should go where they fit the best and not who has the best program or situation. They should enjoy that final year. None of them are going to the NBA. I have a feeling that this new coach at ISU will bring in some blue collar head knockers for his first year and then try to build the talent from year to year. He may also bring his top players with him.The Unknown Fan said:Bengal visitor said:Kelvin Jones announced today he is leaving ISU as a graduate transfer. Brandon Boyd hasn't decided whether to stay or go, but listed his options as Idaho State, Cal Baptist, Washington State, Arkansas and TCU.
So Brandon Boyd's options include Cal Baptist, which is still transitioning to division 1 and can't even participate in the WAC tournament. They can participate in the CBI or CIT. Whoopee. Washington State and Arkansas are new staffs and rebuilds. I can't imagine either are looking to build around a one-and-done. And TCU was just named last month as part of the FBI bribery scandal, and they already fired an assistant coach over it. What else is looming for them? Boyd might want to stay at ISU or find other options.
Probably better for a new coach to rebuild now though, rather than wait until next year when he loses 8 players at once. I guess part of it, too, could be the new coach has already spoken with players and maybe nudged them toward the door.
Will be interesting to see what happens over the next few months in Poky. Olds is on the right path though. The new coach is going to get guys who play his system and are tough. Personally, if I was the new ISU coach, I'd want to keep a guy like Jones. If we can't find anything, personally, I'd take a 6-11 guy who hit over 50% of his FGs, is an above-average rebounder, and is a good interior defender. He's a big body, who moves well.
Okay, You've got me sold that the kid is a legit mid major prospect. However, I still don't see Randy going after him for our needs. Too many ifs with Jones. The other limitation is the BSC rules on transfer within the league.talhadfoursteals said:oldrunner said:To me, the Jones kid is just okay. He isn't a lot better than Dallas and he couldn't play for us. I think that Jones is a low D1 or a high D11 center. To be a good mid major center, his rebounding numbers needed to be much better. There are a lot of better post players in the transfer portal right now and more are being added every day. If we can't get into a good grad transfer center, then I think you just get the best player you can get, either a wing or a forward who is a great rebounder. We don't really need much more scoring at this point, but we can always use more rebounding and defending.talhadfoursteals said:oldrunner said:Boyd has some other schools looking at him as well. I think they should go where they fit the best and not who has the best program or situation. They should enjoy that final year. None of them are going to the NBA. I have a feeling that this new coach at ISU will bring in some blue collar head knockers for his first year and then try to build the talent from year to year. He may also bring his top players with him.The Unknown Fan said:Bengal visitor said:Kelvin Jones announced today he is leaving ISU as a graduate transfer. Brandon Boyd hasn't decided whether to stay or go, but listed his options as Idaho State, Cal Baptist, Washington State, Arkansas and TCU.
So Brandon Boyd's options include Cal Baptist, which is still transitioning to division 1 and can't even participate in the WAC tournament. They can participate in the CBI or CIT. Whoopee. Washington State and Arkansas are new staffs and rebuilds. I can't imagine either are looking to build around a one-and-done. And TCU was just named last month as part of the FBI bribery scandal, and they already fired an assistant coach over it. What else is looming for them? Boyd might want to stay at ISU or find other options.
Probably better for a new coach to rebuild now though, rather than wait until next year when he loses 8 players at once. I guess part of it, too, could be the new coach has already spoken with players and maybe nudged them toward the door.
Will be interesting to see what happens over the next few months in Poky. Olds is on the right path though. The new coach is going to get guys who play his system and are tough. Personally, if I was the new ISU coach, I'd want to keep a guy like Jones. If we can't find anything, personally, I'd take a 6-11 guy who hit over 50% of his FGs, is an above-average rebounder, and is a good interior defender. He's a big body, who moves well.
Olds, I totally disagree with you on Jones. Jones averaged 15 (59% from the field) and 8 (with a 4.5ave on the offensive glass) against Weber this season. He owned our 5th year senior when they faced off against each other. If he didn't have such a problem with fouling, and could stay on the floor for 30 min, he would be a huge asset for anyone.
He's a big kid with a lot of DI experience. Most importantly, he can rebound, runs the floor well, and plays good defense. Once again, I'd take him in a heartbeat. We need an experienced big and he has proven he can play at the DI level. He isn't only far better than Dallas, he is also better than Braxton.
If I was ISU's new coach, I'd start out by trying to convince Jones to stay in Poky. He is set to have a solid year for the Bengals.
Olds, you are right about Jones being able to come to Weber and if Randy would go after him. If he had two years to play, maybe Randy would be intrigued by the option, but even then I wouldn't expect him to go after Jones. Heavens, I was a bit too excited about Jones. Jones is a good player, but if I were coach, and I feel Randy's philosophy is somewhat like this, I'd only want a grad transfer if that individual would be a major contributor and someone who could make a serious impact for the Cats. So, I should restate my opinion on Jones. He is a mid-major prospect and will help a team out as a senior. Would he be a major impact player for Weber? Most likely not, but for Idaho State? Yes...Idaho State is crazy to let him go. He is a senior big who can help ease the transition for a new coaching staff and help keep ISU somewhat competitive during this rebuilding era.oldrunner said:Okay, You've got me sold that the kid is a legit mid major prospect. However, I still don't see Randy going after him for our needs. Too many ifs with Jones. The other limitation is the BSC rules on transfer within the league.talhadfoursteals said:oldrunner said:To me, the Jones kid is just okay. He isn't a lot better than Dallas and he couldn't play for us. I think that Jones is a low D1 or a high D11 center. To be a good mid major center, his rebounding numbers needed to be much better. There are a lot of better post players in the transfer portal right now and more are being added every day. If we can't get into a good grad transfer center, then I think you just get the best player you can get, either a wing or a forward who is a great rebounder. We don't really need much more scoring at this point, but we can always use more rebounding and defending.talhadfoursteals said:oldrunner said:Boyd has some other schools looking at him as well. I think they should go where they fit the best and not who has the best program or situation. They should enjoy that final year. None of them are going to the NBA. I have a feeling that this new coach at ISU will bring in some blue collar head knockers for his first year and then try to build the talent from year to year. He may also bring his top players with him.The Unknown Fan said:Bengal visitor said:Kelvin Jones announced today he is leaving ISU as a graduate transfer. Brandon Boyd hasn't decided whether to stay or go, but listed his options as Idaho State, Cal Baptist, Washington State, Arkansas and TCU.
So Brandon Boyd's options include Cal Baptist, which is still transitioning to division 1 and can't even participate in the WAC tournament. They can participate in the CBI or CIT. Whoopee. Washington State and Arkansas are new staffs and rebuilds. I can't imagine either are looking to build around a one-and-done. And TCU was just named last month as part of the FBI bribery scandal, and they already fired an assistant coach over it. What else is looming for them? Boyd might want to stay at ISU or find other options.
Probably better for a new coach to rebuild now though, rather than wait until next year when he loses 8 players at once. I guess part of it, too, could be the new coach has already spoken with players and maybe nudged them toward the door.
Will be interesting to see what happens over the next few months in Poky. Olds is on the right path though. The new coach is going to get guys who play his system and are tough. Personally, if I was the new ISU coach, I'd want to keep a guy like Jones. If we can't find anything, personally, I'd take a 6-11 guy who hit over 50% of his FGs, is an above-average rebounder, and is a good interior defender. He's a big body, who moves well.
Olds, I totally disagree with you on Jones. Jones averaged 15 (59% from the field) and 8 (with a 4.5ave on the offensive glass) against Weber this season. He owned our 5th year senior when they faced off against each other. If he didn't have such a problem with fouling, and could stay on the floor for 30 min, he would be a huge asset for anyone.
He's a big kid with a lot of DI experience. Most importantly, he can rebound, runs the floor well, and plays good defense. Once again, I'd take him in a heartbeat. We need an experienced big and he has proven he can play at the DI level. He isn't only far better than Dallas, he is also better than Braxton.
If I was ISU's new coach, I'd start out by trying to convince Jones to stay in Poky. He is set to have a solid year for the Bengals.
I think we are all saying the same thing here. Our first choice is a grad transfer big man who is an immediate impact. After that we would take an impact player who would have to sit out a year, only if they have multiple years to contribute. Lastly, we just leave the grant open all summer, see what turns up or fill it in the fall signing. There is absolutely no need to bring in the 13th player if he is the 13th on the depth chart. That would be a waste of time.talhadfoursteals said:Olds, you are right about Jones being able to come to Weber and if Randy would go after him. If he had two years to play, maybe Randy would be intrigued by the option, but even then I wouldn't expect him to go after Jones. Heavens, I was a bit too excited about Jones. Jones is a good player, but if I were coach, and I feel Randy's philosophy is somewhat like this, I'd only want a grad transfer if that individual would be a major contributor and someone who could make a serious impact for the Cats. So, I should restate my opinion on Jones. He is a mid-major prospect and will help a team out as a senior. Would he be a major impact player for Weber? Most likely not, but for Idaho State? Yes...Idaho State is crazy to let him go. He is a senior big who can help ease the transition for a new coaching staff and help keep ISU somewhat competitive during this rebuilding era.oldrunner said:Okay, You've got me sold that the kid is a legit mid major prospect. However, I still don't see Randy going after him for our needs. Too many ifs with Jones. The other limitation is the BSC rules on transfer within the league.talhadfoursteals said:oldrunner said:To me, the Jones kid is just okay. He isn't a lot better than Dallas and he couldn't play for us. I think that Jones is a low D1 or a high D11 center. To be a good mid major center, his rebounding numbers needed to be much better. There are a lot of better post players in the transfer portal right now and more are being added every day. If we can't get into a good grad transfer center, then I think you just get the best player you can get, either a wing or a forward who is a great rebounder. We don't really need much more scoring at this point, but we can always use more rebounding and defending.talhadfoursteals said:oldrunner said:Boyd has some other schools looking at him as well. I think they should go where they fit the best and not who has the best program or situation. They should enjoy that final year. None of them are going to the NBA. I have a feeling that this new coach at ISU will bring in some blue collar head knockers for his first year and then try to build the talent from year to year. He may also bring his top players with him.The Unknown Fan said:Bengal visitor said:Kelvin Jones announced today he is leaving ISU as a graduate transfer. Brandon Boyd hasn't decided whether to stay or go, but listed his options as Idaho State, Cal Baptist, Washington State, Arkansas and TCU.
So Brandon Boyd's options include Cal Baptist, which is still transitioning to division 1 and can't even participate in the WAC tournament. They can participate in the CBI or CIT. Whoopee. Washington State and Arkansas are new staffs and rebuilds. I can't imagine either are looking to build around a one-and-done. And TCU was just named last month as part of the FBI bribery scandal, and they already fired an assistant coach over it. What else is looming for them? Boyd might want to stay at ISU or find other options.
Probably better for a new coach to rebuild now though, rather than wait until next year when he loses 8 players at once. I guess part of it, too, could be the new coach has already spoken with players and maybe nudged them toward the door.
Will be interesting to see what happens over the next few months in Poky. Olds is on the right path though. The new coach is going to get guys who play his system and are tough. Personally, if I was the new ISU coach, I'd want to keep a guy like Jones. If we can't find anything, personally, I'd take a 6-11 guy who hit over 50% of his FGs, is an above-average rebounder, and is a good interior defender. He's a big body, who moves well.
Olds, I totally disagree with you on Jones. Jones averaged 15 (59% from the field) and 8 (with a 4.5ave on the offensive glass) against Weber this season. He owned our 5th year senior when they faced off against each other. If he didn't have such a problem with fouling, and could stay on the floor for 30 min, he would be a huge asset for anyone.
He's a big kid with a lot of DI experience. Most importantly, he can rebound, runs the floor well, and plays good defense. Once again, I'd take him in a heartbeat. We need an experienced big and he has proven he can play at the DI level. He isn't only far better than Dallas, he is also better than Braxton.
If I was ISU's new coach, I'd start out by trying to convince Jones to stay in Poky. He is set to have a solid year for the Bengals.
Yet, I still believe that Weber needs another big. However, if Randy uses Morris more next year and all of the bigs available including our newest signee Diakite, then I think Randy could use this last scholarship on a traditional transfer and possibly get 2 or 3 years out of good prospect with a redshirt. He has struck gold in the past and might again in the future. A lot depends on Diakite's recovery, and our other bigs development this Summer.
Hardnett is good, but he is not quite up to the level of the guards UM had last year. Yes, UM will be good again. As good as last year? Probably not, but good.wazzuwildcat03 said:Hardette from BYU is transferring to Montana. He is a very solid player. He will probably start for the Grizz next year. I just realized we have lost the the Grizz 5 straight times, and Montanan looks to be very good again next year. As long as Decuire is there, the Grizz will be a top 2 team every year.
oldrunner said:Hardnett is good, but he is not quite up to the level of the guards UM had last year. Yes, UM will be good again. As good as last year? Probably not, but good.wazzuwildcat03 said:Hardette from BYU is transferring to Montana. He is a very solid player. He will probably start for the Grizz next year. I just realized we have lost the the Grizz 5 straight times, and Montanan looks to be very good again next year. As long as Decuire is there, the Grizz will be a top 2 team every year.
The team that looks to make the biggest improvement over last year is UI. Their recruiting seems to have upgraded their prospects. Top 4? Probably not, they have just too far to go.
The rest of the dumpster fires from last year, seem to still be burning.
It's a little funny to be talking about the 'BEST' two players on the 'WORST' team in the BSC. I still think they have improved themselves with the transfer system. I will stand by my middle of the pack prediction. I agree with you on SUU. They will likely end up just as good or better than last year. I suspect that ISU will be bringing in transfers all summer long. We won't know much about them until fall. Another one that will be hard to judge is UNCO. They lost their best player and one of the best in the BSC.wazzuwildcat03 said:I agree with the Pocatello Tatter Tosser haha. Idaho had 2 good players last year. One transferred to Houston and they have had other guys leave too. As bad as were last year, the 2 games we played the Vandals, we beat the crap out of them bad. I see Idaho in the bottom 3-4 again. I would be shocked if they finished higher than 8th next year. The most improved team in my opinion will be Southern Utah. They were solid last year and return just about everyone.
Jordan did not recover well from his knee surgery. However, this spring he started moving a bit better and seemed to be getting a little of his spark back. I'm not sure if it will be enough for him to play a big role in Seattle, but he was at least looking a bit better. He is a great kid and has a good attitude. I wish him all the best.wazzuwildcat03 said:I noticed Spencer Johnson has left UVU. I feel bad for the kid. My guess he ends up at Dixie St, or a JC. Also Jordan Dallas to Seattle U. That surprised me. Jordan seems like a good kid, but he is a D2 or NAIA player. I have seen molasses move faster uphill then watching Jordan move in the post. Just saying