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KlondikeBear
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Beardown is probably a family member or actual staff member. Thus the reason a simple concept of reality doesn't apply to what he says. If a kid isn't buying in (the whole team in this case) then its their fault!!?? Most every college player buys in when he chooses to sign that dotted line you CLOWNS! What a scam! Every other coach in the nation is not afforded the chance to "buy in", what coach says that at this level? to have players "buy in" as an excuse to justify the job done. These kids have more class than grown men!! And to say they should transfer!!?? NO YOU get the hell out! Take your 0-11 player blamin asses back to the Forrest where you got this three ring circus from!
DA_BEARS_DEN
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How can you say that the whole team isn't buying in are you there in the mornings watching the work outs and seeing that the whole team isn't buying in? How can you say something that you NOTHING ABOUT?
KlondikeBear said:Beardown is probably a family member or actual staff member. Thus the reason a simple concept of reality doesn't apply to what he says. If a kid isn't buying in (the whole team in this case) then its their fault!!?? Most every college player buys in when he chooses to sign that dotted line you CLOWNS! What a scam! Every other coach in the nation is not afforded the chance to "buy in", what coach says that at this level? to have players "buy in" as an excuse to justify the job done. These kids have more class than grown men!! And to say they should transfer!!?? NO YOU get the hell out! Take your 0-11 player blamin asses back to the Forrest where you got this three ring circus from!
Please enlighten us as to why the whole team isn't buying in.
KlondikeBear
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Beardown said:KlondikeBear said:Beardown is probably a family member or actual staff member. Thus the reason a simple concept of reality doesn't apply to what he says. If a kid isn't buying in (the whole team in this case) then its their fault!!?? Most every college player buys in when he chooses to sign that dotted line you CLOWNS! What a scam! Every other coach in the nation is not afforded the chance to "buy in", what coach says that at this level? to have players "buy in" as an excuse to justify the job done. These kids have more class than grown men!! And to say they should transfer!!?? NO YOU get the hell out! Take your 0-11 player blamin asses back to the Forrest where you got this three ring circus from!
Please enlighten us as to why the whole team isn't buying in.
"Buying in" is a "safty net" for insecure..unfamiliar, inexperienced individuals who NEED to have a scape goat for their own short comings as leaders, coaches, mentors or whatever! I never said that players didnt buy in...in fact! i was saying the exact opposite. Pay a little more attention so you can see the false sense of security/identity within the underlining message they are instilling among that team. Blame through failure? internal blame? ya good luck with that. :clap:
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bearcrawls
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KlondikeBear said:Beardown said:KlondikeBear said:Beardown is probably a family member or actual staff member. Thus the reason a simple concept of reality doesn't apply to what he says. If a kid isn't buying in (the whole team in this case) then its their fault!!?? Most every college player buys in when he chooses to sign that dotted line you CLOWNS! What a scam! Every other coach in the nation is not afforded the chance to "buy in", what coach says that at this level? to have players "buy in" as an excuse to justify the job done. These kids have more class than grown men!! And to say they should transfer!!?? NO YOU get the hell out! Take your 0-11 player blamin asses back to the Forrest where you got this three ring circus from!
Please enlighten us as to why the whole team isn't buying in.
"Buying in" is a "safty net" for insecure..unfamiliar, inexperienced individuals who NEED to have a scape goat for their own short comings as leaders, coaches, mentors or whatever! I never said that players didnt buy in...in fact! i was saying the exact opposite. Pay a little more attention so you can see the false sense of security/identity within the underlining message they are instilling among that team. Blame through failure? internal blame? ya good luck with that. :clap:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3aNEUMOO3c&feature=related" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Finally! Somebody with some common sense. I've been saying this the whole season. Per the coaches show when they play well Coach Collins says they are "buying in" and when they don't they are "not buying in". It's a weak generic phrase used to point blame on everyone except the coaching staff.
mountainbear
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With all due respect to all posters here, You've got to believe that the players give everything they have. There may be very few exceptions, but these are experienced, successful athletes who chose to come to UNC because they were wanted. Now staffs have changed, but kids are kids.....they want to be successful, win, be proud of their accomplishments and their team. Again, you may know of an individual or two who's just along for the ride, but as a body these are quality, accomplished players. As I have posted before, when coaches are desperate to prove something they will throw anybody under the bus. The truth (in my eyes) is that players perform at a higher level when they are disciplined, worked hard, held to high expectations, and valued by their coaches. Players respect or fear their coaches. Threats to players "not buying in" are futile, and create a negative atmosphere. talk about this coaches recruits or that coaches recruits is a waste of time. This year we saw players (upperclassmen) who had started for multiple years benched to create what????a better record???
As fans we have long term vision and memory, coaches don't always share that perspective as they proclaim thin gs like "now you'll learn to work" or "things are going to change around here". Things have changed....time will tell
As fans we have long term vision and memory, coaches don't always share that perspective as they proclaim thin gs like "now you'll learn to work" or "things are going to change around here". Things have changed....time will tell
mountainbear
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My intent for posting is to foster discussion. Apparently I seem to have a knack for drying up conversion. I apologize for that, but look forward to further dialouge.
mountainbear said:My intent for posting is to foster discussion. Apparently I seem to have a knack for drying up conversion. I apologize for that, but look forward to further dialouge.
Yeah, funny how this board can get some good dialogue for a couple days and then just die off. Wonder why that is. I still want to know from lilbear how coach Collins lied, as he mentioned. From reading a lot of these posts, things are happy in Bear land.
FasterThanYou
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Beardown said:So what did Collins lie about? If your son decides to transfer then that's not the same as quitting. If he doesn't believe in what the coaches are doing, they should by all means get out of the program.
Beardown, In My Humble Opinion, you are out of line to tell a player to get out of the program.
You aren't walking in their athletic shoes, don't know what the coach said, or how the players responded.
I like a feisty dialogue and we all know this board can get interminably slow at times, but that comment seems over the top to me. If you -- as a player -- don't believe in what the coaches are going (with the Bears' record, who would?), maybe you need to stay and help them figure out a way to start winning.
FasterThanYou
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mountainbear said:This year we saw players (upperclassmen) who had started for multiple years benched to create what????a better record???
It obviously wasn't a better record and that was hard to watch.
I thought the only reasonable explanation was they were trying to get some guys experience for the future so that next year wouldn't be so bad, but 2011 was just awful.
beardevil39
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FasterThanYou said:Beardown said:So what did Collins lie about? If your son decides to transfer then that's not the same as quitting. If he doesn't believe in what the coaches are doing, they should by all means get out of the program.
Beardown, In My Humble Opinion, you are out of line to tell a player to get out of the program.
You aren't walking in their athletic shoes, don't know what the coach said, or how the players responded.
I like a feisty dialogue and we all know this board can get interminably slow at times, but that comment seems over the top to me. If you -- as a player -- don't believe in what the coaches are going (with the Bears' record, who would?), maybe you need to stay and help them figure out a way to start winning.
Well put. Love your passion Beardown but sometomes you can be a loose cannon !!
I will say it again, we just need a winning season to get rid of all this negativity. Losing just breeds contempt. Keep your heads up. Go Bears !!
Beardown said:mountainbear said:My intent for posting is to foster discussion. Apparently I seem to have a knack for drying up conversion. I apologize for that, but look forward to further dialouge.
Yeah, funny how this board can get some good dialogue for a couple days and then just die off. Wonder why that is. I still want to know from lilbear how coach Collins lied, as he mentioned. From reading a lot of these posts, things are happy in Bear land.
My son was humiliated when he approached is old strength coach at a store and congratulated him because he was told he quit and went to another institution. Instead it came off as congratulating him on getting fired. Real nice that the head coach had to lie to his athletes about why a coach is no longer with his program. As my son said "why lie, it happened, just be honest"
McCandyman
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The new strength coach is a great addition to the staff. I think he will do good things for the program.
McCandyman said:The new strength coach is a great addition to the staff. I think he will do good things for the program.
If the new strength coach was that good, how come we have so many players with serious injuries?? I can't remember when we had so many injuries. A strength coach is supposed to prepare our boys for their "battle", it looks like physically their bodies are not prepared at all.
mountainbear
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Lilbear
A strength coach can do little to prevent some injuries.
Typically shoulder injuries are the result of poor technical performance and physical error.
Knee injuries come and go.
I do have concern about the high number of what I think are fatigue related injuries.
The legs do look tired. I was back through town, and discovered that after some time off during the bye week, three staff ran the stuffing out of the boys. In my brief time home, I heard complaining about sore legs, running, and I am sorry to say, a biwast of wtf from young freshman and sophomore players that I saw out and about (one bunch was talking about transfer rules,)
My fear is that we are entering the second part of the season with the wrong physical and mental outlook.
A strength coach can do little to prevent some injuries.
Typically shoulder injuries are the result of poor technical performance and physical error.
Knee injuries come and go.
I do have concern about the high number of what I think are fatigue related injuries.
The legs do look tired. I was back through town, and discovered that after some time off during the bye week, three staff ran the stuffing out of the boys. In my brief time home, I heard complaining about sore legs, running, and I am sorry to say, a biwast of wtf from young freshman and sophomore players that I saw out and about (one bunch was talking about transfer rules,)
My fear is that we are entering the second part of the season with the wrong physical and mental outlook.
mountainbear said:Lilbear
A strength coach can do little to prevent some injuries.
Typically shoulder injuries are the result of poor technical performance and physical error.
Knee injuries come and go.
I do have concern about the high number of what I think are fatigue related injuries.
The legs do look tired. I was back through town, and discovered that after some time off during the bye week, three staff ran the stuffing out of the boys. In my brief time home, I heard complaining about sore legs, running, and I am sorry to say, a biwast of wtf from young freshman and sophomore players that I saw out and about (one bunch was talking about transfer rules,)
My fear is that we are entering the second part of the season with the wrong physical and mental outlook.
Jebus H Christ. If what you say is true, that really pisses me off. Today's "D1" athletes are so fucking spoiled. They've won one game this year. Hell, if I were Collins I would run them all the time too. SPOILED brats! That's what they are. What would they act like under Bear Bryant?
beardevil39
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I think there are always a few on a team that are never happy so I think you can take some of this bs with a grain of salt and to those players that are feeling like you say: Get your head out of your ass and just play !
mountainbear
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Beardown......these young kids wouldn't
Beardevil......agreed. If they are displeased as
and sophomores......I am worried about the next few years. Hell I am worried about Montana!
Beardevil......agreed. If they are displeased as
and sophomores......I am worried about the next few years. Hell I am worried about Montana!
PlayerParent
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Beardown said:mountainbear said:Lilbear
A strength coach can do little to prevent some injuries.
Typically shoulder injuries are the result of poor technical performance and physical error.
Knee injuries come and go.
I do have concern about the high number of what I think are fatigue related injuries.
The legs do look tired. I was back through town, and discovered that after some time off during the bye week, three staff ran the stuffing out of the boys. In my brief time home, I heard complaining about sore legs, running, and I am sorry to say, a biwast of wtf from young freshman and sophomore players that I saw out and about (one bunch was talking about transfer rules,)
My fear is that we are entering the second part of the season with the wrong physical and mental outlook.
Jebus H Christ. If what you say is true, that really pisses me off. Today's "D1" athletes are so fucking spoiled. They've won one game this year. Hell, if I were Collins I would run them all the time too. SPOILED brats! That's what they are. What would they act like under Bear Bryant?
The best way to get in shape for a football player is to do what you do during a game. During the season, the conditioning should consists of a fast paced practice, getting multiple reps, sprinting in and out of huddles, practicing situational football and never walking on field between plays or between stations! You do NOT get better by running just for the sake of running. That is punishment not practicing your craft! Make better use of practice time by fixing the issues that are happening during plays. Especially coaching decisions! And by the way, a Bear Bryant team today would get an ass whoppin' against today's elite programs. Punishment does not lead to correction; correction leads to correction!
