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Official Big Sky Conference Tourney Thread
- Thread starter WILDCAT
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We've come full circle. Missed free throws and not enough big plays cost us at San Jose and USU to start the season. Now it costs us the championship. No NIT either.......to many regular season champs lost their tournaments and took up a bunch of spots in that field. 26 wins and back to a lower teir tournament. This is getting old.
hawkssb04 said:Agreed. He's been more of a liability than an asset for Weber this year. He's so lazy with the ball and jacks up terrible jumpers on the fly. He plays like a street baller with no discipline. He sinks needed buckets every now and again, but more often than not, he's good for turnovers and fouls rather than assists and points.SWeberCat02 said:hno:
Props to Gelan for sticking that tough three. I thought he played pretty good tonight, not great, but no Wildcat did. I like his potential, and he is still only a soph.
Tinkle out coached us again. I think that it why these loses keep Randy from getting offers impossible to turn down. Am I okay with that. He finds solid guys for the program; he is and honorable guy that runs an honorable program. Mabye needs a seasoned, veteran coach that can help with halftime and late game adjust ments. (Earlywine?) Bottom line--I don't think we are in jeopardy in loosing coach.
SWeberCat02
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I like Rahe and do think he's a good coach, but Tinkle is clearly better. And I agree, until Randy can start winning some big games, he probably isn't going anywhere. His record vs. BYU, who is usually the best team Weber plays each year, and his postseason record, really say a lot.hdqweber said:
SWeberCat02 said:
Exactly right...(what I've maintained all year long on threads speculating on Coach Rahe moving on). Rahe is a great coach but postseason success eludes his Wildcats for whatever reason, with few exceptions. Wait till next year once again.
CONGRATS MONTANA!! Hats off to the Griz for fighting thru adversity to the end. Represent well !! GOODLUCK in NCAA! :thumb:
hawkssb04
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I couldn't agree more. I know I should wait a few days to cool off before commenting, but Randy Rahe is simply incapable of winning big games. He's a phenomenal recruiter, he molds classy and high-character players and could end up going down as one of the best regular season coaches in the history of the Big Sky. That being said, I'm so f***ing tired of getting my hopes up with him every single year, thinking "this is the year we finally break through in the Big Sky tourney." And every year, he rips my goddamn heart out. He'll be around for a long time, too, because larger D-I schools probably won't touch him now. I have a love-hate relationship with him, and perhaps I should cut him some slack considering we could be like Idaho State, but at some point, I'm gonna give up. Can someone please talk me off the ledge? :wall:SWeberCat02 said:
ballplayerz
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hawkssb04 said:
I would have a hard time talking you off the ledge if i am standing there with you. I agree 100%. Yes missed free throw and some very poor turnovers cost us the game. But we throw the same look every game! Same offense with the same plays all year long. I can not stand it when we pass the ball around the 3 point line and then jack up a triple without the thought of going inside. We worked Montana from the inside out at the Dee and we killed them. Our offense was a lost cause tonight. And we run man to man on D everytime. I can count on one hand how many times I saw the zone this year. Mix it up a bit! catch them off guard. :wall:
I will always be a wildcat but my heart is starting to really hurt from being ripped out and put back in so many times.
Between 2004 and 2008, NAU played in the Big Sky Conference championship game four times....and lost all four. Every year my heart hurt. NAU hasn't had a sniff of coming close (other than 2011) since and I'd gladly take a second place finish and no NCAA's over how the last few seasons have gone for the Jacks.
Perspective, my Wildcat friends.
It's natural to be crushed and it's reasonable to search for a scapegoat. But Weber State hoops would not be in the great situation they are in without Coach Rahe. Some here are coming off as ingrates. Maybe even sounding like football fans of another not-to-be-named team in conference. So be it. The sun will come up tomorrow and life will proceed.
Griz fans have mentioned on egriz that If Montana doesn't up their ante and start paying Coach Tinkle better, someone will come along and sweeten the deal. I believe the guy truly loves the U of M but money talks for the majority of humanity. Guards like Cherry and Jamar (and Lillard) don't come along all that often in conferences like the Big Sky. I'm enjoying watching em while I can. Hope you and UM enjoy it as well because things can change quickly.
I, for one, hope WSU gets a CBI/CIT/NIT bid and proceeds to kick the shit out of some wanker 8th place finisher in the PAC/Big 10-12/ACC/etc. A dream matchup would be a second round date in Tempe against the Sundevils. I root for ASU but would don some purple in that case.
MTJack
Perspective, my Wildcat friends.
It's natural to be crushed and it's reasonable to search for a scapegoat. But Weber State hoops would not be in the great situation they are in without Coach Rahe. Some here are coming off as ingrates. Maybe even sounding like football fans of another not-to-be-named team in conference. So be it. The sun will come up tomorrow and life will proceed.
Griz fans have mentioned on egriz that If Montana doesn't up their ante and start paying Coach Tinkle better, someone will come along and sweeten the deal. I believe the guy truly loves the U of M but money talks for the majority of humanity. Guards like Cherry and Jamar (and Lillard) don't come along all that often in conferences like the Big Sky. I'm enjoying watching em while I can. Hope you and UM enjoy it as well because things can change quickly.
I, for one, hope WSU gets a CBI/CIT/NIT bid and proceeds to kick the shit out of some wanker 8th place finisher in the PAC/Big 10-12/ACC/etc. A dream matchup would be a second round date in Tempe against the Sundevils. I root for ASU but would don some purple in that case.
MTJack
heyoh22
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MTJack, thanks for the words of wisdom. We were tat the tourney, our kids played 3 games in three days after traveling over 7 hours by bus to get there. Add a crowd of over 7000 rabid Griz fans, home court familiarity..... I'm not taking anything away from the Griz, they had a plan and executed better than the Cats....and won by 3.
I'm warming to the idea of a neutral site for conference tournament. Pick a location that is accessible by air: SLC, Denver, Phoenix, Omaha, where teams can travel by air directly. The Finals this year are a different game without home court. The home court is a huge advantage if you a in the #1 seed. Expand the tourney by a team and let the top two seeds have a bye, something.
My experience with Montana fans was that they were warm and friendly, I had good conversations with several, one in fact sought me out after the final to chat briefly, and not to gloat. A couple observations:
1. the student that hit Davion in the head when he went beyond the basket on a drive is a total tool, bad sportsmanship; 2. Coach Tinkle has one habit that I have not seen in other coaches: he does the moving arms raised to whip up the crowd. Sorry, but I have not seen that from any head coach at college level. Players, yes, get your fans into it.
I hope that Weber gets a bid to play on somewhere, it does help recruiting when you go to the postseason.
Last even though we are all hurting about the loss, no one is hurting more than the players and coaches. Let's not rip on them in the heat of the moment. Easy to do on a message board, but our guys put in huge effort and are quality people, same with the coaching staff. Enough said.
I'm warming to the idea of a neutral site for conference tournament. Pick a location that is accessible by air: SLC, Denver, Phoenix, Omaha, where teams can travel by air directly. The Finals this year are a different game without home court. The home court is a huge advantage if you a in the #1 seed. Expand the tourney by a team and let the top two seeds have a bye, something.
My experience with Montana fans was that they were warm and friendly, I had good conversations with several, one in fact sought me out after the final to chat briefly, and not to gloat. A couple observations:
1. the student that hit Davion in the head when he went beyond the basket on a drive is a total tool, bad sportsmanship; 2. Coach Tinkle has one habit that I have not seen in other coaches: he does the moving arms raised to whip up the crowd. Sorry, but I have not seen that from any head coach at college level. Players, yes, get your fans into it.
I hope that Weber gets a bid to play on somewhere, it does help recruiting when you go to the postseason.
Last even though we are all hurting about the loss, no one is hurting more than the players and coaches. Let's not rip on them in the heat of the moment. Easy to do on a message board, but our guys put in huge effort and are quality people, same with the coaching staff. Enough said.
ballplayerz
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Agreed. The only issue I see with a neutral site is travel for everyone else but the teams. Rewarding the regular season champ with home court is fine but 3 games in 3 days for everyone else is way to big of an advantage. By finishing second you don't get anything under this new format. The advantage is now heavily in the hosting teams favor. Maybe something will ad done when Idaho joins the sky next year.
mtgrizfankb1
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Seriously, you all whine about the old format all week. Say how great this format is. Then you bitch cause you lost. If you win the regular season you should get a big advantage. Especially in a one bid conf. Big conf. Use neutral sites to host fans from a lot of areas. Big sky does not have this issue. Would you rather see the championship played in front of 1000 fans in Nevada or California somewhere? That would be stupid. The bigsky made a ton of money, looked good on tv, and gained good exposure with a good crowd. If it was in Ogden y'all would have loved it. If you don't win the reg. Season, you should have to work twice as hard to get to the dance. That is what this format does! It was exciting, fun and no player on any team would tell you that this was too much for them. They were so hyped to be playing fatigue was almost non existent. Almost every player I saw at the game was pleading to stay in with their coach. Big sky did a great thing switching to this style, other major conf. Do the same exact thing. Play back to back to back days. Neutral site would be a joke for the sky. Maybe 200 fans from teams would go.
I was in missoula last night. That place was crazy. The atmosphere was incredible. UM's players got up for that game and were more rested than our guys. You cant coach a guy to shoot it better when his legs are tired and he doesnt have the strength. Weber lost by three. Yes, it was FTs that cost us the.championship. that isnt Rahes fault. Hell our team improved drastically throughout they year. Weber has won 51 games in two seasons. What the hell is wrong with any of you on this board. You are sounding like utah and byu fans. Lets not look a gift horse in the mouth. Montana was playing at home after only playing 1 game. We lost cause of FTs. Weber took the game to the Grizz they weathered the storm. Weber is the better team but its pretty damn hard to win on someone elses floor. That game is a W for the Cats on a neutral floor but thankfully the Big Sky rewards the regular season champ with home court. Montana won their close games. We lost twice conference games by a total of 7 points and got beat by three last night after missing 9 FTs. I think Rahe is a pretty damn good coach. I dont want Farmer or Cravens back. Keep asking for change we might get a beth ann ord leading the mens team.
No neutral site!! That would be stupid. As Weber fans we a know how awful a neutral or predetermined site is...uh 1994 ring a bell. 1 seed Weber loses to 6 seed boise state in boise. No!!! Regular seasin champs deserves home court. UM was challenged three times in conference and won all three it is almost unheard od not to host with 2 losses. But it happens..
mtgrizfankb1
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:clap:talhadfoursteals said:
hawkssb04
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I agree. Although I'm not a fan of the 2nd seed not getting a bye anymore, or even having a whopping 7 teams in the tournament, the neutral site tournet would be bad news for the conference and a disservice to the fans. They have a difficult enough time making dough as it is, so the Big Sky needs that rocking home crowd from whoever is hosting.talhadfoursteals said:
