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What’s Good and What’s Bad about Sacramento State in the MAC
Just as soon as the rumors cropped up, they were confirmed. Now fans wonder how to feel.
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Ignorant parasites sensationalizing headlines and diarrhea of the mouth for clicks.
Most are jealous fanboi's of other FCS teams.
Most are jealous fanboi's of other FCS teams.
LoveSacState
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We should not even be concerned with what other fan bases are saying. Especially those from FCS who have been just complete garbage toward our program the past year, some longer. Let them be jealous and upset it’s fine. Let them have their narratives. Just like Dr. Wood said there were people who tried to make sure we couldn’t make the move. Well it didn’t work. We need to focus on being positive and supporting our FBS program. Helping them anyway we can to make sure that they are as successful as possible cause that’s all that matter now. We aren’t in FCS anymore no matter how much people hate the deal with the MAC or whether they feel it’s bad or not. They can have an opinion but we should focus on helping as much as we can. They will need us as alumni more than ever. It’s Sac again everybody.
Exactly. Most of the opinions are from folks not from this area that have no clue of the finite details about our situation and/or are just envious/butthurt about us leaving them behind in JV. Those local folks with a negative take are just haters. All the more credit to Dr. Wood for getting this done amidst the negativity.
I made this thread just as a place to dump the other press opinions separate from the actual news. I agree that it is a bold move that has a lot of financial risk, but got Sac to FBS (unless the NCAA somehow steps in?, highly unlikely). The NCAA said no, and Wood said, hold my beer….
I don’t find the opinions unwarranted. Western Michigan has nowhere near the upside of a school in California’s capital, but Sac just committed millions more annually without a stadium, or any real raise in revenue, yet.
I don’t find the opinions unwarranted. Western Michigan has nowhere near the upside of a school in California’s capital, but Sac just committed millions more annually without a stadium, or any real raise in revenue, yet.
This is a State school and there is CSU Trustee oversight. While Dr. Wood is the face and catalyst of this movement, the trustees will still not allow a school to run itself into the ground through its athletic program.
This FBS move could be a bad decision, but it would not be happening if the CSU board was against it. The numbers have been reviewed and the program was allowed to move forward. This is not a money issue for Sac State. This is a branding issue, as evidence of the necessity for this thread. We just need to perform now that we're in the MAC and it will work out.
This FBS move could be a bad decision, but it would not be happening if the CSU board was against it. The numbers have been reviewed and the program was allowed to move forward. This is not a money issue for Sac State. This is a branding issue, as evidence of the necessity for this thread. We just need to perform now that we're in the MAC and it will work out.
I don't think anyone is saying we shouldn't be critical. However, some criticism of this move is off base when considering other recent realignment moves, especially compared to the NDSU deal.
I don't get the hard on for NDSU. Yes they are a national brand name due to their domination of JV, but if they can't be competitive immediately from the jump then they'll just be another G6 in fly over country. From a stadium standpoint, they are capped because they don't even own the arena they play in so their financials will have to pan out on its 18.7k capacity. Couple that with not bringing a significant market with them and they'll have a hard time gaining traction with the lackluster MW media deal outside their region. With all the success and supposed upside they bring to FBS, they still had to pay $12.5M and forgo 6 years of TV money from the MW media deal to join the club. Their agreement with the MW also stipulates that they must increase the football budget if they fail to win enough games. But somehow the pundits are overlooking this and calling our deal—a deal with known expenditures over a defined timeframe—the worst ever.
I don't get the geographical criticisms at all given the CalFurd situation which is far worse for travel than ours and NDSU's setup. I think it's mostly from uninformed people that think our MAC invite is an all-sports move, which it isn't. We will save a lot of money by not sending Oly sports to all the podunk towns of the BSC...money which will be redirected to cover a portion of the MAC travel subsidy.
People are assuming this move could have been made at a later time, but that's not a given. I do agree with Dr. Wood in that the JV to FBS door may close once NCAA D1 governance adjusts the requirements in a few years. Hence his urgency to close the deal now, especially since a conference was willing to do business. The nPAC and MW didn't want us so Dr. Wood pivoted to the MAC. Obviously I'm biased, but that speaks more to his resiliency during this process than to desperation.
I get the criticism over the $18M entry fee paid over the 5 year term, but anyone in CA with a clue knows the taxpayers/students are picking up the tab. Those same people bitching about the MAC entry fee aren't up in arms about all the other financial waste and graft (to the tune of 10's of billions of dollars annually) by our state government which makes them unserious people.
I don't get the hard on for NDSU. Yes they are a national brand name due to their domination of JV, but if they can't be competitive immediately from the jump then they'll just be another G6 in fly over country. From a stadium standpoint, they are capped because they don't even own the arena they play in so their financials will have to pan out on its 18.7k capacity. Couple that with not bringing a significant market with them and they'll have a hard time gaining traction with the lackluster MW media deal outside their region. With all the success and supposed upside they bring to FBS, they still had to pay $12.5M and forgo 6 years of TV money from the MW media deal to join the club. Their agreement with the MW also stipulates that they must increase the football budget if they fail to win enough games. But somehow the pundits are overlooking this and calling our deal—a deal with known expenditures over a defined timeframe—the worst ever.
I don't get the geographical criticisms at all given the CalFurd situation which is far worse for travel than ours and NDSU's setup. I think it's mostly from uninformed people that think our MAC invite is an all-sports move, which it isn't. We will save a lot of money by not sending Oly sports to all the podunk towns of the BSC...money which will be redirected to cover a portion of the MAC travel subsidy.
People are assuming this move could have been made at a later time, but that's not a given. I do agree with Dr. Wood in that the JV to FBS door may close once NCAA D1 governance adjusts the requirements in a few years. Hence his urgency to close the deal now, especially since a conference was willing to do business. The nPAC and MW didn't want us so Dr. Wood pivoted to the MAC. Obviously I'm biased, but that speaks more to his resiliency during this process than to desperation.
I get the criticism over the $18M entry fee paid over the 5 year term, but anyone in CA with a clue knows the taxpayers/students are picking up the tab. Those same people bitching about the MAC entry fee aren't up in arms about all the other financial waste and graft (to the tune of 10's of billions of dollars annually) by our state government which makes them unserious people.
BuckeyeHornetFan
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The naysayers criticizing Sac State but not equally criticizing NDST are being intellectually dishonest, extremely hypocritical, or just simply know so much that isn't so.
The way I heard Sac State’s deal with the MAC broken down recently, it breaks down as 6M in year one then 3M in years 2, 3, 4, and 5.
So it is essentially the same deal NDST got at 12M except that the MAC wanted 6M to join this season. And they held all the leverage, obviously, as it’s mid-February and Sac State needed this to happen quickly and soon.
Another thing many of the naysayers aren’t thinking about is that had the Hornets remained in FCS as an independent it may have been more expensive for them than this MAC deal.
3 of the 4 road games that were previously planned would have involved just as much travel as the MAC conference games they have now and they would have had to pay game guarantees to some of their opponents, as well as pay for travel, too.
But these dolts don’t seem to know about any of that.
NDST ain’t exactly a geographical fit in the MW, either. 4 road games to the likes of Hawaii, San Diego, Fresno, Vegas, New Mexico, San Jose, and UNR will likely put their travel on par with Sac State’s
You’re not the only one.
I was LMFAO hearing critics pretend as if Sac State being out of place in the MAC was something new and unprecedented.
Most of them seemed to forget about Stanford and Cal being in the ACC making trips to Miami, Syracuse, and Boston College and USC and UCLA making trips to Rutgers and Penn State as part of the Big 10.
And none of those programs are in those leagues as “football only”.
Exactly right. Billions missing and unaccounted for in “homeless programs” and 15B+ spend on a high speed rail to nowhere with no track laid yet THIS is what infuriates people?
As the old adage goes, people are worried about mouse $#/t when there is elephant $#/t everywhere. In this particular case in CA, more like the largest dinosaur to ever inhabit the earth sized $#/t everywhere.
You can’t take any of those people seriously.
Honestly, I believe the outrage toward what Sac State is doing is more about wounded pride and wanting to keep the weak down.
Over the past 14 months, the Hornets program has been a topic of conversation in the greater sports world more than it had been the previous 30 years. And a lot of people laughed at their efforts believing and emphatically stating that it would never happen.
Well, it happened. And the only way they can still be right is if the results of promoting to FBS fail. So that’s what they are rooting for. And another faction of naysayers only know of Sac State as small time losing program that they find mostly insignificant. It’s upsetting to them that the status could change. People hate change.
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jdgaucho
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Riverside and Bakersfield are as podunk as they get.
